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[kallend 2,101]

The Prime Minister of Heard Island tells a CNN reporter of her concern that Trump's tariffs will seriously impact the fishing economy of the island.

[jakee 1,557]

I’ll listen to anything that politician has to say.

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

Hi folks,

For those of you who want to get involved:  Homepage | Indivisible

They are the people behind:  Live updates: Thousands of anti-Donald Trump protesters gather across the US

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,808]

36 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

For those of you who want to get involved:  Homepage | Indivisible

They are the people behind:  Live updates: Thousands of anti-Donald Trump protesters gather across the US

Jerry Baumchen

Oh, good, Act Blue has sorted out another way to get some coin. A couple hundred thousand angry retired teachers, and similar, spread out over 50 states waving cutesy signs in defense of their pensions and lost public employment ain't the ticket, methinks. I know you are a serious guy and don't shrink from putting your money and time behind what you believe, more than the most of us for sure, and that I respect. I'm just not sure Act Blue is the right organization; we need warriors not worriers and I don't see that they've produced.

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

49 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Oh, good, Act Blue has sorted out another way to get some coin. A couple hundred thousand angry retired teachers, and similar, spread out over 50 states waving cutesy signs in defense of their pensions and lost public employment ain't the ticket, methinks. I know you are a serious guy and don't shrink from putting your money and time behind what you believe, more than the most of us for sure, and that I respect. I'm just not sure Act Blue is the right organization; we need warriors not worriers and I don't see that they've produced.

 

Hi Joe,

Every warrior began at birth.

We have to start somewhere.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  This not ActBlue.

PPS)  ETA:  If I remember correctly, Norm & you started with a single Cessna.

 

Edited April 5 by JerryBaumchen

[richravizza 28]

On 3/30/2025 at 12:10 PM, billvon said:

One of Goebbel's favorite tactics was "accusation in a mirror" - accuse your opponents of doing exactly what you are doing.  In this case, you accuse liberals of not understanding someting you are clueless about.

 Back with the yahtzee mentality, You and the left has yahtzee of the brain.  Completely Clueless that your gaslighting in true TDS fashion. Do those "Accusations" have any weight in your reality.

At least Nigel has the common sense to move the reference to Cultism.Now That's Irony.

On 3/30/2025 at 8:29 PM, nigel99 said:

 

Considering cult members are willing to give their lives for their leader, I don’t think there is anything that can change their minds. 

You’re operating on a false premise that the average Trump supporter sees him as bad

  The American Majority know of his indiscretions. We heard you tell us he was hinter reincarnated,many times. Anything but Trump. A Blue head in a Jar will do.... When We thought that's exactly what we had.Parental and 1A rights. Mandates lockdowns curfews school closures and business loss.

 Now ask yourself; Why was the alternative to Trump not a viable option to the American People.

I'll give you a clue, it had something to do with change,a concept the left can't get it's head around.

 Robert Reich der zeitgeist made it into the frame. How appropriate.LOL

What a face, the Caricature of the debate for lower tax rates, by an economist of the highest standing.lol

Edited April 5 by richravizza

[JoeWeber 2,808]

58 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

Every warrior began at birth.

We have to start somewhere.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  This not ActBlue.

PPS)  ETA:  If I remember correctly, Norm & you started with a single Cessna.

 

I was going by this: https://secure.actblue.com/donate/indivisible-action-1?refcode=web&utm_source=web

We did start small, most things do. My thought is that interest and donations will from most will dry up after round one. But no one knows especially me.

Edited April 5 by JoeWeber

[wmw999 2,514]

1 hour ago, richravizza said:

American Majority

How do you define that? Because it's only the majority of voters who actually turned out to vote. And it sure wasn't that the last two elections, so it's pretty slim. I'd say the country is reasonably split down the middle, with plenty of forces working hard to make sure that we either self-identify as to which side is our enemy (because that's more important than who our fellow human beings in given areas are), or at the very least who we can feel superior to.

And if you can't find yourself working with a liberal on any cause, because whatever side they're on, they're wrong -- then congratulations, you're letting yourself be defined by somone else.

Wendy P.

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

I was going by this: https://secure.actblue.com/donate/indivisible-action-1?refcode=web&utm_source=web

We did start small, most things do. My thought is that interest and donations will from most will dry up after round one. But no one knows especially me.

Hi Joe,

I was going by this article:  Live updates: People gather across Oregon to protest Trump policies - oregonlive.com

Yesterday is when I first read about the events.  The writer did not include any links about how to find out more info.  So, contacted him & he provided this link:  Homepage | Indivisible

I was at the event here in Beaverton.  One speaker said that the event was put on by the Oregon Dem Party.  I stayed for about 1/2 of it.  Once the politicians got to speaking, and I found out that they were all reading from the same script, I left.

At least I'll be in the headcount.

While these events make some folks feel good, the real battlefield will be in the voting booths next year.

All the signs in the world will not change what happens now that Trump and his GOP have both houses of Congress.

IMO the other battlefield will be in our pocketbooks.  We will have to put up the money to fund the campaigns to defeat the MAGA folks.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Saw this today:  MAGA -> Morons Are Governing America - works for me

 

 

[kallend 2,101]

3 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

 

PS)  Saw this today:  MAGA -> Morons Are Governing America - works for me

 

 

If you really believe a convicted fraud with 6 bankruptices (including a casino) is a financial genius you probably are a moron.

[gowlerk 2,244]

41 minutes ago, kallend said:

If you really believe a convicted fraud with 6 bankruptices (including a casino) is a financial genius you probably are a moron.

Maybe he is a genius. A genius at fraud.

[jakee 1,557]

11 hours ago, richravizza said:

We heard you tell us he was hinter reincarnated,many times. Anything but Trump. A Blue head in a Jar will do....

“One of Goebbel's favorite tactics was "accusation in a mirror" - accuse your opponents of doing exactly what you are doing.”

 

See there you go - immediately proving Bill’s point. Time and time again we saw the most vocal Republicans on here harp on about how they really do hate Trump but are going to vote for him anyway because he’ll be better than the fascist Democrats. Literally any Red (ok orange) head will do. 
 

You know I was thinking yesterday what it must be like for people who now have to face up to being gullible and ignorant enough to have voted for Trump because of the economy. I never even considered I’d need to imagine what things are like for people who still think he’s the messiah. I mean… how is that even possible?

[jakee 1,557]

10 hours ago, wmw999 said:

How do you define that? Because it's only the majority of voters who actually turned out to vote.

It’s how they justify all the anti-democratic power grabs of the Republican party. They’ve always been the majority but those sneaky minority Democrats kept getting elected instead - so whatever they do in retaliation is fair and proper.

Edited April 6 by jakee

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

22 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Oh, good, Act Blue has sorted out another way to get some coin. A couple hundred thousand angry retired teachers, and similar, spread out over 50 states waving cutesy signs in defense of their pensions and lost public employment ain't the ticket, methinks. I know you are a serious guy and don't shrink from putting your money and time behind what you believe, more than the most of us for sure, and that I respect. I'm just not sure Act Blue is the right organization; we need warriors not worriers and I don't see that they've produced.

 

Hi Joe,

I can only hope that this is what you [ and others, including me ] are looking for:  The primary challenges shine a fresh light on Democrats’ frustration with their leaders

Democrats see growing number of young progressive challengers

Locally, I am going to do what I can to get Dan Rayfield [ our newly elected Attorney General ] to take on Wyden the next time around.

The D's are just too old & too far behind the curve; think Chuck Schumer as a perfect example.

The D's cannot win if they continue to be the party of old people, think Strom Thurmond.

 Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,808]

1 minute ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

I can only hope that this is what you [ and others, including me ] are looking for:  The primary challenges shine a fresh light on Democrats’ frustration with their leaders

Democrats see growing number of young progressive challengers

Locally, I am going to do what I can to get Dan Rayfield [ our newly elected Attorney General ] to take on Wyden the next time around.

The D's are just too old & too far behind the curve; think Chuck Schumer as a perfect example.

The D's cannot win if they continue to be the party of old people, think Strom Thurmond.

 Jerry Baumchen

Totally agree.

[dogyks 9]

It is said that a diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you look forward to the trip. Unfortunately, Trump is the exact opposite.

Getting past the bombast is difficult, as is picking the gems from the dreck.

When Ford was in office I concluded that a trade policy based on reciprocal tariffs was the way to go.  Sell a variety of goods in Japan, for example, keep track of every tax and impediment between import and sale, and duplicate the process with what they sell here - no more, no less.

Trump then took a policy that could have been pitched as fair and balanced and put it across as capricious and unhinged.  Classic Trump.

It is unfortunate that he is so truly unlikeable, and that anything or anyone associated with him is thus tainted.

People I knew in Germany who survived on Marshall Plan rations would not touch peanut butter thereafter because of its use for starvation avoidance.  I'm afraid that anything that could constitute sound policy may henceforth elicit the same kind of revulsion if associated with Trump.

[jakee 1,557]

11 minutes ago, dogyks said:

When Ford was in office I concluded that a trade policy based on reciprocal tariffs was the way to go.  Sell a variety of goods in Japan, for example, keep track of every tax and impediment between import and sale, and duplicate the process with what they sell here - no more, no less.

Which has absolutey nothing to do with how Trump's tariffs have been worked out. But hey, Trump calls them reciprocal and that's good enough for you - no need to check anything below the surface.

15 minutes ago, dogyks said:

Trump then took a policy that could have been pitched as fair and balanced and put it across as capricious and unhinged.  Classic Trump.

It is unfortunate that he is so truly unlikeable, and that anything or anyone associated with him is thus tainted.

People I knew in Germany who survived on Marshall Plan rations would not touch peanut butter thereafter because of its use for starvation avoidance.  I'm afraid that anything that could constitute sound policy may henceforth elicit the same kind of revulsion if associated with Trump.

Being associated with a global economic catastrophe might end up being the thing that springs to mind.

[JoeWeber 2,808]

1 hour ago, dogyks said:

It is said that a diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you look forward to the trip. Unfortunately, Trump is the exact opposite.

Getting past the bombast is difficult, as is picking the gems from the dreck.

When Ford was in office I concluded that a trade policy based on reciprocal tariffs was the way to go.  Sell a variety of goods in Japan, for example, keep track of every tax and impediment between import and sale, and duplicate the process with what they sell here - no more, no less.

Trump then took a policy that could have been pitched as fair and balanced and put it across as capricious and unhinged.  Classic Trump.

It is unfortunate that he is so truly unlikeable, and that anything or anyone associated with him is thus tainted.

People I knew in Germany who survived on Marshall Plan rations would not touch peanut butter thereafter because of its use for starvation avoidance.  I'm afraid that anything that could constitute sound policy may henceforth elicit the same kind of revulsion if associated with Trump.

Too bad things are far more complicated at the level of international relations than simple tit for tat by a simpleton will fix. Better might have been to adopt a tax policy that penalizes US companies for the jobs they create in other countries so as to sell their products at inflated profits here in the US. Apple really doesn't need to be a Trillion dollar company, for example, with gross margins of 47% to be an investable success. 

[normiss 843]

50 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Too bad things are far more complicated at the level of international relations than simple tit for tat by a simpleton will fix. Better might have been to adopt a tax policy that penalizes US companies for the jobs they create in other countries so as to sell their products at inflated profits here in the US. Apple really doesn't need to be a Trillion dollar company, for example, with gross margins of 47% to be an investable success. 

Why are you so resistant to a $3500 cell phone???

 

 

/s

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

4 hours ago, dogyks said:

It is said that a diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you look forward to the trip. Unfortunately, Trump is the exact opposite.

Getting past the bombast is difficult, as is picking the gems from the dreck.

When Ford was in office I concluded that a trade policy based on reciprocal tariffs was the way to go.  Sell a variety of goods in Japan, for example, keep track of every tax and impediment between import and sale, and duplicate the process with what they sell here - no more, no less.

Trump then took a policy that could have been pitched as fair and balanced and put it across as capricious and unhinged.  Classic Trump.

It is unfortunate that he is so truly unlikeable, and that anything or anyone associated with him is thus tainted.

People I knew in Germany who survived on Marshall Plan rations would not touch peanut butter thereafter because of its use for starvation avoidance.  I'm afraid that anything that could constitute sound policy may henceforth elicit the same kind of revulsion if associated with Trump.

Hi dogyks,

When was this?  I was stationed in Europe 61-63.  The Germans would pay the highest for peanut butter.  Far more than the Brits or the French.

A lotta guys in the barracks made a decent 2nd income from flogging peanut butter.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,808]

Without further ado China has banned all US LNG imports including those en route. They have studied our weaknesses from Trump 1 and were ready. What a freakin' dupe Trump is: crash the stock market and then fold on tariffs because the more important bond markets are crashing as a consequence and now stand by dumbstruck while the Chinese reconfigure the world energy markets. Make America Gullible Again.

[kallend 2,101]

When PM Liz Truss did something comparably stupid in the UK in 2022 she was thrown out on her ass in a couple of weeks.  We have to put up with Trump for another 21 months.

There's a lot to be said for a parliamentary system.

[jakee 1,557]

Still though, wouldn't it be amazing to have the unearned confidence of a trump Press Secretary for just one day?

Reporters: The markets don't seem to like the tariffs, is Trump going to change his mind?

Leavitt: Absolutely not.

Reporters: The markets are super, super down now, surely Trump has to change his mind?

Leavitt: What is it you're not getting? There is zero chance Trump will change his mind no matter what!

Trump: Ok the markets are kinda scared so I'm changing my mind.

Reporters: Karoline, What do you have to say about Trump changing his mind?

Leavitt: Trump didn't change his mind, this was always the goal! How did you guys not notice we were planning to do this?

[JoeWeber 2,808]

33 minutes ago, jakee said:

Still though, wouldn't it be amazing to have the unearned confidence of a trump Press Secretary for just one day?

Reporters: The markets don't seem to like the tariffs, is Trump going to change his mind?

Leavitt: Absolutely not.

Reporters: The markets are super, super down now, surely Trump has to change his mind?

Leavitt: What is it you're not getting? There is zero chance Trump will change his mind no matter what!

Trump: Ok the markets are kinda scared so I'm changing my mind.

Reporters: Karoline, What do you have to say about Trump changing his mind?

Leavitt: Trump didn't change his mind, this was always the goal! How did you guys not notice we were planning to do this?

I was just tripping on how I'd respond if someone who worked for me told bald faced lies to the customers. Jerry, here, probably can make a close guess.

[jakee 1,557]

53 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I was just tripping on how I'd respond if someone who worked for me told bald faced lies to the customers. Jerry, here, probably can make a close guess.

I guess every administration puts its press secretaries in an odd position, but they are civil servants. Ultimately they're employed by the Federal government and by extension the taxpayer, not by the President, his campaign or his party.

With only a small sized logical contortion you could argue that the press represent their employers and the President is the customer for their services.

 

 

Obviously this makes it worse

Edited Thursday at 07:27 PM by jakee