Trump

[jakee 1,558]

22 minutes ago, base698 said:

In 2019 trust in media was about 60%. Today it's about 30%.  I'm sure where he was convicted the numbers are probably higher. 

If it went down linearly it'd be what, 38% during his trial? So you're sticking with that story, huh? No-one believes the media anymore except somehow several courts all independently lucked into getting juries who are slaves to the media and unable to think for themselves. One year ago the media was so powerful that poor little victim Donnie didn't stand a chance but this year the modern colossus that is Trump has proved that traditional media is a dead and buried irrelevance that no-one takes seriously?

Every time you post you're proving more strongly how desperate you are to absolve yourself of the guilt you do feel after supporting a known rapist.

22 minutes ago, base698 said:

So you'd be fighting at least a 20 year trend for myself to believe any claim made against him, especially since there are numerous examples where they deliberately lied.  

Again, you don't have to listen to what the media says. Carroll's account has nothing to do with the media. What she says herself doesn't become any more or less credible because the media reports on it. Everything that happens gets reported in the news. That doesn't mean that nothing is true. Again, it's very obvious that you are simply using a flimsy excuse to ignore anything you don't like.

22 minutes ago, base698 said:

The regular public's media trust collapsed after 2020.

But again, in 2023 they were so credible that Trump was found liable for rape and sexual assault just because the media said he was a bad man. There was just this one weird spike where everyone decided to give them a second chance that just so happened to coincide with the trial. Because yeah, of course it did. Makes perfect sense.

Edited November 9, 2024 by jakee

[nigel99 559]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

You just said that no one believes what the media said about the rape claims. You just said that no one believes anything the media says about anything anymore. Now you’re saying the only reason Trump was convicted is because everyone believes what the media says about him. 

Further are you seriously claiming that two juries found Trump liable for rape and sexual assault because they wanted to punish him for being too close to Putin? You’re seriously accusing those 24 ordinary people who gave up their time in service of justice of such an abject dereliction of duty? 

As I said, clearly you are grasping at straws to justify a position that you know deep down to be unjustifiable. 

You’re beating a dead horse. For some reason this election result has brought out even stronger racist and misogynistic views than 2016. 

A MAGA person shared this ‘joke’ on FB today “I’m not racist my girlfriend has two black eyes” 

[base698 20]

3 hours ago, nigel99 said:

You’re beating a dead horse. For some reason this election result has brought out even stronger racist and misogynistic views than 2016. 

Republican candidate gets a highest percentage of women, black, and hispanic vote in decades.

MISOGYNISTIC!

[jakee 1,558]

16 minutes ago, base698 said:

Republican candidate gets a highest percentage of women, black, and hispanic vote in decades.

MISOGYNISTIC!

Since we knew he was a misogynist long before this election (y’know, all the rapeyness) why do you think the results can somehow cancel that out? 

[gowlerk 2,246]

28 minutes ago, base698 said:

Republican candidate gets a highest percentage of women, black, and hispanic vote in decades.

MISOGYNISTIC!

Yes, both are true. I'm reasonably sure you are smart enough to understand how those two things are not mutually exclusive. I'm less sure why you are bothering to say them as there is no real point. It almost seems like pissing into the wind. (which of course is something only men know about)

Edited November 9, 2024 by gowlerk

[kallend 2,106]

5 hours ago, base698 said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/yes-trump-improved-young-men-drew-young-women-rcna179019

No one believes the rape claims.  

 

The judge did.  The jury did.   And it's perfectly credible that an admitted sexual predator and admitted adulterer is also a rapist.

  

 

[base698 20]

49 minutes ago, kallend said:

The judge did.  The jury did.   And it's perfectly credible that an admitted sexual predator and admitted adulterer is also a rapist

The people you hate the most are now in charge of the things you care most about.

[base698 20]

5 hours ago, jakee said:

Carroll's account has nothing to do with the media. What she says herself doesn't become any more or less credible because the media reports on it.

Are people capable of lying?  Would they be more or less prone to lie when they can possibly stop a literal Hitler? How good would you feel if you could stop Hitler?  Are there other reasons someone would lie in this circumstance?  

 

Edited November 9, 2024 by base698

[gowlerk 2,246]

9 minutes ago, base698 said:

The people you hate the most are now in charge of the things you care most about.

And that is what is really the most important thing to you judging by this response. Same old same old. You accuse people like John of not understanding you yet you have no clue what he cares most about. Just like Trump you really have no answers when challenged so you revert to gloating and attempt to change the subject.

[jakee 1,558]

4 minutes ago, base698 said:

Are people capable of lying?  Would they be more or less prone to lie when they can possibly stop a literal Hitler? How good would you feel if you could stop Hitler?  Are there other reasons someone would lie in this circumstance?  

Ah, onto the next thing. Your media accusations turn out to be indefensible nonsense, but it makes no matter - you can always invent another reason to keep your narrative going. 

[base698 20]

20 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

You accuse people like John of not understanding you yet you have no clue what he cares most about.

He cares about posting the Access Hollywood clip over and over.  And seems to hate the idea of Trump being in charge and I assume also hates Trump.  

I was just letting him know Trump is in charge and has a huge mandate.  The probability of Trump not having direct influence over something he cares about, since this mandate is going to make his influence outsized over 2016, is low.

[kallend 2,106]

2 hours ago, base698 said:

He cares about posting the Access Hollywood clip over and over.  And seems to hate the idea of Trump being in charge and I assume also hates Trump.  

I was just letting him know Trump is in charge and has a huge mandate.  The probability of Trump not having direct influence over something he cares about, since this mandate is going to make his influence outsized over 2016, is low.

I personally will likely be better off financially. 

 

However, the things I care about are people, and the country. If past is prologue, the country, our allies,  women, shooting victims, kids in schools and colleges, sick people of limited means, . . . . will be worse off after another 4 years of Trump.

[billvon 3,063]

21 hours ago, base698 said:

I don't believe the story.  Anything 20 years old is sus, especially at the eve of the 2020 campaign.

I personally know half a dozen women who waited over a decade to come out about their sexual assaults.  And most of them heard the same thing when they did - "if it happened she would have gone to the police."  "He's a great guy, he would never do that."  "She just want to smear him."  "She is just trying to get something."  "She'd remember a lot more than THAT if she had been raped!"  "Look at her, no one would rape HER."

In 2005, the New York legislature was considering a law that would allow child rape survivors to file civil suits against their rapists.  This was important because so many children had been sexually abused by the Catholic Church in New York diocese.  The Church was against it (to put it mildly) and so it was not until 2019 that the Child Victims Act was finally signed into law.

After it was signed into law, a New York legislator was approached by several women who had been raped in New York prisons decades ago, asking if the CVA could be used to go after the guards that raped them.  The answer was no; it only applied to children.  There is no statute of limitations on first degree rape in New York, but there had been such a concerted effort to eliminate any physical evidence by prison guards that there was effectively no way to meet the high standards required for criminal prosecution.

That request resulted in the Adult Survivors Act, a law that allowed women raped decades ago to file suits against their rapists.   Over 3000 women, mostly former prisoners in NY prisons, filed suits.  Over 700 of those were successful, indicating that 700 women were in fact raped 20 years or more ago, and had enough evidence to prove it happened for the purposes of a civil trial.  Over 1000 of those are still going forward.

Three other people who were prosecuted under this act were Trump, Bill Cosby and Diddy Combs.

Someone who you have perhaps heard of is Mariska Hargitay of Law and Order SVU.  She was raped 25 years ago and didn't tell anyone about it until about a year back.  She wrote an essay about the experience, in which she said something very relevant - "Sexual violence persists not because of something unchangeable in our human condition, it exists because power structures are in place that allow it to happen."  Such as the power wielded by celebrities, producers and presidents.

https://people.com/mariska-hargitay-experience-rape-renewal-reckoning-8424247

Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted a dozen actresses and raped three of them, most of them over 20 years ago.  Most of these women did not come forward until 2017, when the New York Times published an article describing some of them.  Weinstein had so much power over their careers that they dared not come forward, for fear that they would be blacklisted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41580010

So no, it's not sus.  It's not even that unusual.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 11/8/2024 at 3:35 PM, brenthutch said:

Is it your contention that there are 12 million acres ripe with a bounty of profitable oil and gas resources and in an environment of high oil and gas prices (due to the Russo Ukrainian war) that Big Oil is sitting on their hands, just because?

Oil prices aren't that high.

 

 

Higher than when Trump was in office, partly why you are seeing record production. But not high enough that all extraction is profitable. For instance the oil sands are barely profitable at this price. And that is established production.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

There is some reporting out there suggesting Kirsti Noem for Homeland Security Secretary......

[SkyDekker 1,465]

A glimpse into the future for the US

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-bans-child-free-propaganda-try-boost-birth-rate-2024-11-12/

[tkhayes 348]

On 11/9/2024 at 8:36 AM, base698 said:

In 2019 trust in media was about 60%. Today it's about 30%.  I'm sure where he was convicted the numbers are probably higher. 

My trust in media has been about 5% since the Iraq war and I read Chomsky as a left winger.  So you'd be fighting at least a 20 year trend for myself to believe any claim made against him, especially since there are numerous examples where they deliberately lied.  The regular public's media trust collapsed after 2020.

 

trust in the media has little to do with facts, truth, or reality.  No one cares about rape?  Well no one cares about what you think about the media.....

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will lead the Department of Government Efficiency.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Fox News Host to be defense secretary

[jakee 1,558]

8 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will lead the Department of Government Efficiency.

A department which isn’t really a department or part of the government - because it would be completely illegal for Musk to work inside the Administration. So why did they call it that? Why, to boost Elon Musk’s identically named cryptocurrency of course. 

What’s that they say about conflicts of interest - start as you mean to go on?

[base698 20]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

Why, to boost Elon Musk’s identically named cryptocurrency of course. 

It's not Elon's cryptocurrency, it was made in 2013.  It's a meme, it's funny.  Make America Funny Again.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

7 hours ago, jakee said:

A department which isn’t really a department or part of the government - because it would be completely illegal for Musk to work inside the Administration. So why did they call it that? Why, to boost Elon Musk’s identically named cryptocurrency of course. 

What’s that they say about conflicts of interest - start as you mean to go on?

I am just laughing at the irony of an efficiency department with two leaders.

You can't make this shit up. Though Monty Python has gotten close.

[jakee 1,558]

4 hours ago, base698 said:

It's not Elon's cryptocurrency, it was made in 2013.  It's a meme, it's funny.  Make America Funny Again.

It’s his chosen cryptocurrency which he clearly has a financial interest in. Make America Grift Again.

BTW, can you imagine the outrage that would be forthcoming from the right of Harris allowed a campaign donor to buy so much political influence they were included on her phone calls with worlds leaders?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Matt Gaetz is going to be Attorney General

 

God help you all....

[nigel99 559]

9 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Matt Gaetz is going to be Attorney General

 

God help you all....

I thought you were joking. I guess he’s the right pick for AG if you want to lower the age of consent