Slowest start to Atlantic hurricane season…

[billvon 3,072]

To get back to a topic close to the original topic (sorry) -

Helene looks like it will now strengthen to a Category 4 before it hits.  Rapid intensification is a characteristic of warmer than usual waters.  Storm surges could hit 20 feet.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

  On 9/25/2024 at 8:48 PM, jakee said:

Why is it that you think Presidents are money wizards?

Same reason he thinks (using that term VERY loosely) everything he does.

Because it fits what he WANTS TO believe.

[JoeWeber 2,829]

  On 9/25/2024 at 10:58 PM, billvon said:

To get back to a topic close to the original topic (sorry) -

Helene looks like it will now strengthen to a Category 4 before it hits.  Rapid intensification is a characteristic of warmer than usual waters.  Storm surges could hit 20 feet.

To get back off topic, thank you, this is a report from an outfit called the BlueGreen Alliance. Sure, there are a bunch of tree huggers on the board as you'd expect but there are also some labor luminaries worth noting. They report, and it's worth accepting without examination because it's anti-Trump, that Trump sucked as President (my interpretation) and the Harris/Biden administration were rock stars.

BLUEGREEN ALLIANCE BOARD OF DIRECTORS

David McCall, International President, United Steelworkers, Co-Chair

Collin O’Mara, President and CEO, National Wildlife Federation, Co-Chair

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Manish Bapna, President and CEO, NRDC Action Fund

Tim Driscoll, President, International Union of Bricklayers & Allied Craftworkers

Shawn Fain, President, United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America

Joe Bonfiglio, Executive Director, U.S. Region, Environmental Defense Fund

Ben Jealous, Executive Director, Sierra Club

Gene Karpinski, President, League of Conservation Voters

Carl Kennebrew, President, IUE-CWA

Mark McManus, General President, United Association

Rocio Saenz, Executive Vice President, Service Employees International Union

Kim Waddell, Acting President, Union of Concerned Scientists

Randi Weingarten, President, American Federation of Teachers

James Williams, Jr., General President, International Union of Painters and Allied Trades

Then-and-Now-U.S.-Manufacturing-Under-the-Trump-and-Biden-Harris-Administrations.pdfFetching info...

[brenthutch 444]

  On 9/25/2024 at 8:48 PM, jakee said:

Why is it that you think Presidents are money wizards?

When they say “abracadabra here is free money for everyone”

[brenthutch 444]

  On 9/25/2024 at 10:58 PM, billvon said:

To get back to a topic close to the original topic (sorry) -

Helene looks like it will now strengthen to a Category 4 before it hits.  Rapid intensification is a characteristic of warmer than usual waters.  Storm surges could hit 20 feet.

Sounds like a typical hurricane.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 9/26/2024 at 12:53 AM, JoeWeber said:

To get back off topic, thank you, this is a report from an outfit called the BlueGreen Alliance. Sure, there are a bunch of tree huggers on the board as you'd expect but there are also some labor luminaries worth noting. They report, and it's worth accepting without examination because it's anti-Trump, that Trump sucked as President (my interpretation) and the Harris/Biden administration were rock stars.

Then-and-Now-U.S.-Manufacturing-Under-the-Trump-and-Biden-Harris-Administrations.pdf 784.2 kB · 0 downloads

JFK was a rock star, Clinton was a rock star, Obama was a rock star. Really Joe? Do you really believe Biden and Harris are rock stars? Or do you just hate Trump so much that you have to twist your mind into believing what you know is actually not true.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 9/25/2024 at 5:39 AM, tkhayes said:

'the black swan event' is a shitty excuse used constantly by the right wing to apologize for a dumpster fire response to a pandemic.  The USA has worse outcomes than many leading countries, 1 million people died, 

Less than a half a million people died of COVID during the Trump administration. More than a million (and counting) during Biden. Keep in mind Biden had the advantage of a vaccine thanks to Trump’s Operation Warp Speed.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 9/25/2024 at 5:23 PM, jakee said:

Not from my Google it isn't. You can lie about the facts all you want but you're not likely to fool anyone who lives in reality.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/great-recession.asp#:~:text=It is considered the most,ensuing global recession in 2009.

my top of page google search 

[JoeWeber 2,829]

  On 9/26/2024 at 1:34 AM, brenthutch said:

JFK was a rock star, Clinton was a rock star, Obama was a rock star. Really Joe? Do you really believe Biden and Harris are rock stars? Or do you just hate Trump so much that you have to twist your mind into believing what you know is actually not true.

Bill is correct that your reading comprehension blows. I played a dipsey doodle to suck you in and prove the point and in you came: "They report.." were the words. Brent, Trump is a so much a real threat to our nation that your nonsensical thinking that he would be a benign placeholder defies rational understanding. I know that most of your naysayers here think you are a troll, I have previously said I think you are a deluded true believer. I now also think you are a racist and a misogynist who would vote for a criminal and likely traitor before he would vote for a women of color for president of the United States. No thank you for your service.

[tkhayes 348]

  On 9/25/2024 at 8:30 PM, brenthutch said:

Like Biden’s inflation?

not even remotely close..... so no, not like Biden's inflation, but THANSK ONCE AGAIN, for dodging the actual thing I was talking about and running away to something else..... also made up in your head

[tkhayes 348]

  On 9/26/2024 at 1:34 AM, brenthutch said:

JFK was a rock star, Clinton was a rock star, Obama was a rock star. Really Joe? Do you really believe Biden and Harris are rock stars? Or do you just hate Trump so much that you have to twist your mind into believing what you know is actually not true.

no one said Biden was a rock star, but ONCE AGAIN, thanks for dodging the actual thing being talked about and running off to grandstand about something else unrelated.

But here is what we do know.... Donald Trump is a crook, a con man and a convicted felon.  He stole millions of dollars from his charity, got caught, pled guilty to that, paid millions in fines and had his foundation permanently shut down

I would love to see you address that charitable foundation theft by Trump without actually talking about ANYTHING else, other than that event.  You cannot do it.

[jakee 1,563]

  On 9/26/2024 at 1:45 AM, brenthutch said:

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/great-recession.asp#:~:text=It is considered the most,ensuing global recession in 2009.

my top of page google search 

So? Your Google search will also have showed you the Investopedia page that says there was an official recession in 2020, you're just choosing to lie about it. As you've been lying about everything else during this whole discussion. You know that makes it clear that your point is not very convincing, right?

[jakee 1,563]

  On 9/26/2024 at 1:03 AM, brenthutch said:

When they say “abracadabra here is free money for everyone”

No seriously, why is it that you think Presidents are solely responsible for everything that happens to the economy, with no lag or delay, except when it's something bad that happened under Trump?

[olofscience 489]

  On 9/26/2024 at 1:40 AM, brenthutch said:

Keep in mind Biden had the advantage of a vaccine thanks to  ̶T̶r̶u̶m̶p̶’̶s̶ ̶O̶p̶e̶r̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶W̶a̶r̶p̶ ̶S̶p̶e̶e̶d̶.̶ some Turkish immigrants in Germany repurposing mRNA technology for a COVID vaccine.

 

Again you're ignoring that the rest of the world exists and we got COVID vaccines here even earlier than the USA did.

And we experienced similar - and slightly higher - inflation than the USA did.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 9/25/2024 at 5:39 AM, tkhayes said:

'the black swan event' is a shitty excuse used constantly by the right wing to apologize for a dumpster fire response to a pandemic.  The USA has worse outcomes than many leading countries, 1 million people died, 

Less than a half a million people died of COVID during the Trump administration. More than a million (and counting) during Biden. Keep in mind Biden had the advantage of a vaccine thanks to Trump’s Operation Warp Speed.

[jakee 1,563]

  On 9/26/2024 at 11:14 AM, brenthutch said:

Less than a half a million people died of COVID during the Trump administration. More than a million (and counting) during Biden. Keep in mind Biden had the advantage of a vaccine thanks to Trump’s Operation Warp Speed.

Where is this information coming from? The best info I can find is that the USA hit 1M total Covid deaths since the start of the pandemic under Biden. As of now the CDC says there have been just under 1.2M total Covid deaths in the USA.

Now Republican maths may come up with a different answer, but to me 1.2M minus 0.5M does not equal >1M. (And that’s leaving aside the whole discussion of how 0.5M over 10 months compares to 0.7M over 3.5 years.)
 

So anyway - any sources forthcoming or are you just lying again?

[olofscience 489]

  On 9/26/2024 at 11:58 AM, jakee said:

So anyway - any sources forthcoming or are you just lying again?

Not only is he lying, he's also glitching - reposting the exact same comment 10 hours later.

Either senior moment or he's actually a bot...

[johnhking1 100]

  On 9/25/2024 at 10:58 PM, billvon said:

To get back to a topic close to the original topic (sorry) -

Helene looks like it will now strengthen to a Category 4 before it hits.  Rapid intensification is a characteristic of warmer than usual waters.  Storm surges could hit 20 feet.

Just talked to a friend who lives near the Gulf a little north of Tampa.  They are raising everything in their house, they expect it to flood.  They finally got the approval to have their house raised which will happen next year.

[billvon 3,072]

  On 9/26/2024 at 4:22 PM, johnhking1 said:

Just talked to a friend who lives near the Gulf a little north of Tampa.  They are raising everything in their house, they expect it to flood.  They finally got the approval to have their house raised which will happen next year.

Hope that works out for them.

My inlaws live on the Columbia River, and they have a garage that floods once every five years or so.  They have a way to hoist the washer/dryer up about 5 feet to try to stay above the floodwaters.  It's worked every year except one.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 9/26/2024 at 6:23 AM, jakee said:

No seriously, why is it that you think Presidents are solely responsible for everything that happens to the economy, with no lag or delay, except when it's something bad that happened under Trump?

That’s rich coming from someone who blamed everything bad happening in the last seven years on Trump?

[billvon 3,072]

  On 9/26/2024 at 11:58 AM, jakee said:

Where is this information coming from?

FOX News?  Breitbart?  Alex Jones?  The usual suspects.

[billvon 3,072]

  On 9/26/2024 at 6:23 AM, jakee said:

No seriously, why is it that you think Presidents are solely responsible for everything that happens to the economy, with no lag or delay, except when it's something bad that happened under Trump?

Haven't you seen this before?  Usually it's gas prices.

Gas prices high, conservative in power: "You clueless lib!  The president has NOTHING to do with gas prices!"
Gas prices low, conservative in power: "Thank you president X for helping hardworking families make ends meet!"

Gas prices high, liberal in power: "Families are being DESTROYED by president X's high gas prices!"
Gas prices low, liberal in power: "You clueless lib!  The president has NOTHING to do with gas prices!"

[brenthutch 444]

  On 9/26/2024 at 5:25 AM, tkhayes said:

 

  On 9/26/2024 at 5:25 AM, tkhayes said:

no one said Biden was a rock star, but ONCE AGAIN, thanks for dodging the actual thing being talked about and running off to grandstand about something else unrelated.

But here is what we do know.... Donald Trump is a crook, a con man and a convicted felon.  He stole millions of dollars from his charity, got caught, pled guilty to that, paid millions in fines and had his foundation permanently shut down

I would love to see you address that charitable foundation theft by Trump without actually talking about ANYTHING else, other than that event.  You cannot do it.

Joe said “Trump sucked as President (my interpretation) and the Harris/Biden administration were rock stars.”

If with respect to Trump, I’d like to imagine a future unburdened by what has been 

[jakee 1,563]

  On 9/26/2024 at 5:51 PM, brenthutch said:

That’s rich coming from someone who blamed everything bad happening in the last seven years on Trump?

That's quite the projection.

You cannot find anything I've said that is similar to you blaming the entire post Covid financial situation on Biden. Notice I'm not challenging you to find it - I'm simply stating that you can't. Because, yet again, you're just lying.

[jakee 1,563]

  On 9/26/2024 at 5:58 PM, brenthutch said:

If with respect to Trump, I’d like to imagine a future unburdened by what has been 

No shit. No sane person would be able to support him otherwise.