Ethanol subsidies are a scam

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9 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Sounds like the EV, solar, biofuel, wind and geothermal industries. Let’s call them a boondoggle instead.

blacksmiths said the same thing about ICE vehicles 130 years ago.  yer still a troll that only pays attention to any smidgen that fits your narrative and conveniently ignores other data that goes against your narrative.

Solar is being installed and functioning all over the country at massive rates.... by the companies that make money from generating power.

Texas, the oil state, is the largest wind producer in the country. 

These things are not happening because of boondoggles or scams, despite your twisted ideology.

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7 hours ago, brenthutch said:

No they sell it as winning the Iowa caucuses, which is ironic as the last candidate who won a contested Iowa caucus was Ted Cruz who was against this pork. Yet another example of how stupid they can be.

Ted Cruz voted FOR the farm bill securing ethanol production in 2018.  Your rose colored glasses need cleaning.

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8 hours ago, brenthutch said:

The only reason corn ethanol is even a thing is because the first shot of the presidential campaign is fired in Iowa. It was never a good idea to burn three gallons of diesel to get one gallon of ethanol. Of course this wasteful boondogglery can always be justified in the name of “saving the planet” much like most of the green initiatives we are wasting billions on.

the only reason that you have battery operated handheld tools is because NASA partnered with private enterprise on the Apollo missions to develop such tools.  They were needed for space and now are a mainstream part pf everyday consumer life, and they are cheap as fuck, unlike the tools that were built for NASA.

Absolute government waste. And a scam and a boondoggle that should never have happened right?  Or are only the hindsight things that did not work out only ever going to be found by you?

Clean your rose colored glasses and get back to us.  Oh yeah, and don't forget to never reply to any of the posts or points that use actua; examples, data and facts to contradict your twisted ideology.

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On 6/23/2024 at 6:34 PM, tkhayes said:

corn is not primarily grown for fuel production.  40% of it is.  But the short answer is that it is not a scam, but it is really bad policy that meant well, didn't work and now that they have a huge lobbying industry backing it for money, so it continues.

american capitalism and cronyism at its finest.

 

That reminds me of "Cadillac Smith" from Big Flats, NY.  He had a sign on the car  stating thank you Security of agriculture and USDA, this car purchased with money paid for not growing corn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_T._Smith

He was born on January 25, 1916, in Corning, Steuben County, New York. He attended the public schools in Big Flats, and Corning Free Academy. He graduated from the New York State College of Agriculture, Cornell University in 1938.^[1] Afterwards he farmed in Big Flats.

In 1961, he bought a Cadillac for $6,100 using money he gained from farm subsidies, which were intended to prop up crop prices by paying farmers not to grow crops.^[2] Smith, a fourth-generation farmer, drove the Cadillac around the district as a campaign prop demonstrating the largesse of the federal government's entitlement programs, and the next year managed to win the Republican primary in the 49th District, defeating the incumbent State Senator Harold A. Jerry, Jr. Afterwards he was nicknamed sometimes as Bill "Cadillac" Smith. He was a member of the New York State Senate from 1963 to 1986, sitting in the 174th, 175th, 176th, 177th, 178th, 179th, 180th, 181st, 182nd, 183rd, 184th, 185th and 186th New York State Legislatures.

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Much like Federal subsidies to small airports. Boondoggles.

[tkhayes 348]

14 hours ago, johnhking1 said:

That reminds me of "Cadillac Smith" from Big Flats, NY.  He had a sign on the car  stating thank you Security of agriculture and USDA, this car purchased with money paid for not growing corn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_T._Smith

He was born on January 25, 1916, in Corning, Steuben County, New York. He attended the public schools in Big Flats, and Corning Free Academy. He graduated from the New York State College of Agriculture, Cornell University in 1938.^[1] Afterwards he farmed in Big Flats.

In 1961, he bought a Cadillac for $6,100 using money he gained from farm subsidies, which were intended to prop up crop prices by paying farmers not to grow crops.^[2] Smith, a fourth-generation farmer, drove the Cadillac around the district as a campaign prop demonstrating the largesse of the federal government's entitlement programs, and the next year managed to win the Republican primary in the 49th District, defeating the incumbent State Senator Harold A. Jerry, Jr. Afterwards he was nicknamed sometimes as Bill "Cadillac" Smith. He was a member of the New York State Senate from 1963 to 1986, sitting in the 174th, 175th, 176th, 177th, 178th, 179th, 180th, 181st, 182nd, 183rd, 184th, 185th and 186th New York State Legislatures.

yeah and it is so easy to find the waste in any government bill, make headlines about it and flaunt it.... Cadillacs is the perfect example.  And Brent feeds on that and is blinded by any other benefit that exists.  Even the bill that bought the Cadillac likely helped hundreds of thousands of other farmers compete, or saved their farm or kept their head above water.

This is what politicians do, this is what we elected them to do, and the same people that complain about the waste are more than happy to take the benefits when they present themselves.  'Small government' people that exist would just let them all sink or swim.  Those people usually do not have a fork in the fire to lose.

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13 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Much like Federal subsidies to small airports. Boondoggles.

see previous post - America LOVES their airports.  Zephyrhills was masterful for decades at finding government grants and using up that money, and the 90% hard-core republican right-wing anti-government Airport Authority and City Council would gobble up that money and simultaneously complain about the deficit.  Desantis will take any money that is 'anti-woke' but will also berate the deficit and parade the fact that Florida does not have one (despite taking billions in federal money)

Hard to blame any government for spending grant money.  There is improvement, jobs, tax base increases, all the things that look good on campaign posters.

And again, They are part of the problem, but will never admit it.

The average citizen does not care about fencing or bigger runways or lighting on airports that will never be used, but 'if we build it, they will come'.  It was the Mantra in Z-Hills for decades, some pipe dream that UPS or Fedex would come if we had the facilities, and those pesky skydivers were just in the way.

I had to remind them constantly that Fedex nor UPS had ever even looked at Z-Hills airport and if they wanted to come, they would just write us a check to leave.  Or find a government grant to cover our relocation through effective lobbying.

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10 hours ago, tkhayes said:

see previous post - America LOVES their airports.  Zephyrhills was masterful for decades at finding government grants and using up that money, and the 90% hard-core republican right-wing anti-government Airport Authority and City Council would gobble up that money and simultaneously complain about the deficit.  Desantis will take any money that is 'anti-woke' but will also berate the deficit and parade the fact that Florida does not have one (despite taking billions in federal money)

Hard to blame any government for spending grant money.  There is improvement, jobs, tax base increases, all the things that look good on campaign posters.

And again, They are part of the problem, but will never admit it.

The average citizen does not care about fencing or bigger runways or lighting on airports that will never be used, but 'if we build it, they will come'.  It was the Mantra in Z-Hills for decades, some pipe dream that UPS or Fedex would come if we had the facilities, and those pesky skydivers were just in the way.

I had to remind them constantly that Fedex nor UPS had ever even looked at Z-Hills airport and if they wanted to come, they would just write us a check to leave.  Or find a government grant to cover our relocation through effective lobbying.

The number of aircraft movements, take offs and landings, can go a long way toward receiving airport grants.  Who does a lot of take offs and landings, skydiving operations.  Airports get the money and want to get rid of skydivers.

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On 6/22/2024 at 5:04 PM, brenthutch said:

Yet another scam in the name of “saving the planet”

Should have kept lead or MTBE, right?