Who will replace Biden?

[gowlerk 2,192]

I’m guessing (hoping) his candidacy will not survive this debacle. My pick is Amy Klobuchar. Not that I have a vote. You?

[kallend 2,027]

William von Novak would do an excellent job.

[lippy 918]

9 minutes ago, kallend said:

William von Novak would do an excellent job.

I know it's 2024 and we're all about progressiveness, but I'm just not sure if America is ready for a duck president.

[BIGUN 1,314]

Cross - Posted in the other thread, so delete if you feel necessary:

I would vote FOR Gov. Wes Moore. 

“We are proud to endorse Wes Moore because he will be a governor who serves all Marylanders,” said the National Security Leaders for America. “After years of service to this nation, we know moral courage when we see it. Wes Moore has the moral courage necessary to take on the most pressing threats to our essential yet fragile democracy. He is a patriot who understands that America is more than Red and Blue. He understands his job is to serve his country, not his party.”

 

[CygnusX-1 43]

I'm hoping that the DNC will not survive this debate. They were the ones who picked that lame ass person by not allowing for a proper primary.

[winsor 236]

I'm sure there are better choices out there than Biden or Harris amongst the Dems.

Having said that, if you turn over a rock whatever crawls out from underneath is an improvement over Trump.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

I’m guessing (hoping) his candidacy will not survive this debacle. My pick is Amy Klobuchar. Not that I have a vote. You?

Hi Ken,

As stated in the other thread:  Gavin Newsom at the top & Gretchen Whitmer as V-P.

The hell with the primaries, circle the wagons & get a pair to defeat Trump.

Amy K is very competent but not electable.

Jerry Baumchen

[billvon 2,991]

1 hour ago, lippy said:

I know it's 2024 and we're all about progressiveness, but I'm just not sure if America is ready for a duck president.

I wouldn't be elected once, never mind twice.  Which means that even if I DID get elected the first time, I'd be a literal lame duck.

[wmw999 2,447]

3 hours ago, winsor said:

I'm sure there are better choices out there than Biden or Harris amongst the Dems.

Having said that, if you turn over a rock whatever crawls out from underneath is an improvement over Trump.

Whoever is put up will be demonized by Fox and below. If Jesus ran as a democrat, they’d talk about how that loving your neighbor thing is namby pamby

Wendy P. 

[billvon 2,991]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Whoever is put up will be demonized by Fox and below. If Jesus ran as a democrat, they’d talk about how that loving your neighbor thing is namby pamby

And that he's a socialist who actually came out and say you should give all your money to the government.  And that he's a brown skinned illegal alien; you know, a rapist.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi folks,

Here's where it gets serious:  New York Times editorial board: Joe Biden should drop out (thehill.com)

Jerry Baumchen

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Here's where it gets serious:  New York Times editorial board: Joe Biden should drop out (thehill.com)

Jerry Baumchen

It seems as if you and Joe have a crisis of confidence. This might help.

"Former President Barack Obama, who recovered from a disastrous debate performance to win re-election in 2012, publicly backed President Biden after his poor performance in Thursday’s debate against former President Donald J. Trump.

Mr. Obama also sought to allay concerns among Democrats about keeping Mr. Biden as their presidential nominee.

“Bad debate nights happen,” he said in a social media post. “Trust me, I know. But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself.”

Edited June 29, 2024 by Phil1111

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

9 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

It seems as if you and Joe have a crisis of confidence. This might help.

"Former President Barack Obama, who recovered from a disastrous debate performance to win re-election in 2012, publicly backed President Biden after his poor performance in Thursday’s debate against former President Donald J. Trump.

Mr. Obama also sought to allay concerns among Democrats about keeping Mr. Biden as their presidential nominee.

“Bad debate nights happen,” he said in a social media post. “Trust me, I know. But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself.”

Hi Phil,

In 2012, Barak Obama was 51 yrs old.  Joe Biden is 81 yrs old.

Yes, it makes a difference.  As it was shown last nite.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, Phil1111 said:

It seems as if you and Joe have a crisis of confidence. This might help.

"Former President Barack Obama, who recovered from a disastrous debate performance to win re-election in 2012, publicly backed President Biden after his poor performance in Thursday’s debate against former President Donald J. Trump.

Mr. Obama also sought to allay concerns among Democrats about keeping Mr. Biden as their presidential nominee.

“Bad debate nights happen,” he said in a social media post. “Trust me, I know. But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself.”

Of course he backs Biden. We also back Biden but we have deep and valid concerns. We also recognize time isn't with us. If Biden reaches down and erases last night we will be thrilled campers. Hell even if Trump bungles it up so badly that Biden improves his standing, good enough for me. But last night he was old, week, and confused. Imagine if he wasn't up against a lying sack like Trump.

[BIGUN 1,314]

20 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

As stated in the other thread:  Gavin Newsom at the top & Gretchen Whitmer as V-P.

Morning, Jerry.

From a strategic perspective; I can't help but  wonder ff Newsome, Whitmer would be perceived as more polarizing and push more R's to vote against them. For me; I would again not vote for either. Suggested, Wes Moore as someone I would vote for, a somewhat moderate, but no discussion. Am I missing something about him?

[brenthutch 444]

21 hours ago, CygnusX-1 said:

I'm hoping that the DNC will not survive this debate. They were the ones who picked that lame ass person by not allowing for a proper primary.

100% That is how we got Trump in the first place. The DNC cleared the deck and anointed HRC, the most unpopular and polarizing politician in recent history and the only person on the planet who could lose to Trump.

[wmw999 2,447]

I like a whole lot about him; the biggest problem organizationally is that he's not high enough profile. With Biden potentially dropping out, the standard succession would have Kamala Harris being the candidate; nearly everyone is pretty sure she'll be eviscerated, whether fairly or not is moot. 

I can see the appeal of running someone who will appeal to the more liberal end of the Democratic party, to energize them and get them to vote. It's part of why the Republicans tolerate Trump. 

Everyone wants the other party to run a centrist candidate; it's the NIMBY of politics, I guess. What a shame. 

And he may not be interested (of course, neither may the others who have been proposed by the movers and shakers of SC). But yea, if the Dems ran him against Kamala, I'd vote for him in a NY minute. And he might last until OAN or someone made up a "baby daddy" situation.

Wendy P.

[wmw999 2,447]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

100% That is how we got Trump in the first place. The DNC cleared the deck and anointed HRC, the most unpopular and polarizing politician in recent history and the only person on the planet who could lose to Trump.

Why exactly was she polarizing and unpopular? Did any particular news media outlet have something to do with that? She was actually acknowledged to be quite an excellent senator from New York.

Wendy P.

[brenthutch 444]

Just now, wmw999 said:

Why exactly was she polarizing and unpopular? Did any particular news media outlet have something to do with that? She was actually acknowledged to be quite an excellent senator from New York.

Wendy P.

Wouldn’t you agree calling a significant portion of the electorate “a basket of deplorables” is just a smidge polarizing and her lack of popularity was demonstrated by the results of the election.

 

[kallend 2,027]

13 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Phil,

In 2012, Barak Obama was 51 yrs old.  Joe Biden is 81 yrs old.

Yes, it makes a difference.  As it was shown last nite.

Jerry Baumchen

Mick Jagger is 80 and appears to have more energy than most people 1/2 his age:

https://digitaledition.chicagotribune.com/html5/desktop/production/default.aspx?pubid=3e7227b1-e3b7-4fac-aa07-5f943e58b4c5&edid=84d89d81-c850-449a-ab48-3ad3898384e3

 

(may be a paywall, not sure)

[gowlerk 2,192]

51 minutes ago, kallend said:

Mick Jagger is 80 and appears to have more energy than most people 1/2 his age:

https://digitaledition.chicagotribune.com/html5/desktop/production/default.aspx?pubid=3e7227b1-e3b7-4fac-aa07-5f943e58b4c5&edid=84d89d81-c850-449a-ab48-3ad3898384e3

 

(may be a paywall, not sure)

Yes, some octogenarians would be able to do the job. But Biden has shown good reason to believe he is not one of them.

[wmw999 2,447]

9 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Yes, some octogenarians would be able to do the job. But Biden has shown good reason to believe he is not one of them.

Not sure I’d go that far. His up days are also impressive for an octogenarian, and he clearly has taken far fewer days off than his opponent did during his last term. I wouldn’t want Mick Jagger as president, either.

Wendy P. 

[gowlerk 2,192]

54 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Not sure I’d go that far. His up days are also impressive for an octogenarian, and he clearly has taken far fewer days off than his opponent did during his last term. I wouldn’t want Mick Jagger as president, either.

Wendy P. 

He has shown up periods of time that are up to a half hour or so. We are talking about another 4 year term in an extremely stressful and important job. It is reckless for the D party to foist this upon the nation.  He is going to lose bigly if he does not bow out. 

[billvon 2,991]

21 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

He has shown up periods of time that are up to a half hour or so. We are talking about another 4 year term in an extremely stressful and important job. It is reckless for the D party to foist this upon the nation.  He is going to lose bigly if he does not bow out. 

From a purely objective perspective, Biden has more functional years ahead of him than Trump does.  Trump is morbidly obese, has a poor diet, gets no exercise and has a family history of Alzheimer's, so looking at the issue purely objectively Biden will be more likely to be alive, aware and functioning at the end of four years than Trump.

I realize that means nothing these days, but just wanted to mention that.

[kallend 2,027]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

  I wouldn’t want Mick Jagger as president, either.

Wendy P. 

Well, he's ineligible anyway, but I'd take him over Trump.