Who will replace Biden?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

13 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Commercial boat captains don't need licenses or oversight. Wetlands should be all paved over or sold to unsuspecting homeowners. Got it.

Seen elsewhere:

Unregulated heavy industry got us the fire on the Cuyahoga River.

Unregulated chemical companies got us Love Canal & Bophal India.

Unregulated banking and financial companies got us the 'mortgage meltdown' of 2008.

Unregulated aerospace companies produced the Boeing 737,

[Phil1111 1,149]

4 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Seen elsewhere:

Unregulated heavy industry got us the fire on the Cuyahoga River.

Unregulated chemical companies got us Love Canal & Bophal India.

Unregulated banking and financial companies got us the 'mortgage meltdown' of 2008.

Unregulated aerospace companies produced the Boeing 737,

The US stock markets went up 17% under Trump. This was after his massive tax cuts for corporations.

Under Biden stocks are up 40% and corporations want less regulation.

I'll paraphrase Brent, "greed is good".

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi folks,

I just watched the Geo S/ABCNews interview of Biden.

He made things even worse.  He reminds me of a dead man walking.

It seemed to me, that for the most part, he could not even understand the questions.

Hopefully, this will get the powers that be to push Jill out of the way & get Joe out of the race.

It was sad to watch.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

I just watched the Geo S/ABCNews interview of Biden.

He made things even worse.  He reminds me of a dead man walking.

It seemed to me, that for the most part, he could not even understand the questions.

Hopefully, this will get the powers that be to push Jill out of the way & get Joe out of the race.

It was sad to watch.

Jerry Baumchen

Great. Maybe he’ll stack the court with more catholic conservatives.

[BIGUN 1,314]

9 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

There is nothing to suggest that if mom and dad aren't married anything fundamentally changes.

Huh? Are you talking about those that live together, but don't marry - or children of divorce?

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

14 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Great. Maybe he’ll stack the court with more catholic conservatives.

Hi Joe,

More from his interview:  “I don’t believe that’s my approval rating.”

6 takeaways from Biden's high-stakes interview : NPR

This is a good read.

He is in complete denial.  

Jerry Baumchen

PS)   More from the article:  Father Time is undefeated.

[tkhayes 348]

On 7/5/2024 at 7:58 PM, brenthutch said:

I didn’t say Christian, married, Mom, Dad and their two kids, I said family. The family unit has been the fundamental building block for society for millennia.

bullshit.  and there is nothing you have to show that is true or even partially true.  'the family' exists for the survival of the species and that is pretty much it.  The family has the same problems that the non-family has.  The family, husband and wife, chest on each other and always have.  just one example.

we are herd animals on this planet only slightly different than other species that have survival instincts built it.

There is no justification for 'the family unit' as being a basis for anything.  Early families were far different even a few hundred years ago, and/or currently in remote parts of the world where other civilizations exist just fine without ANYTHING to do with the 'family unit' that you envision.

How about the government gets out of the family, marriage, gender, sex business?  Especially a government that believes in individual rights.... supposedly.

[tkhayes 348]

On 7/5/2024 at 11:31 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

I just watched the Geo S/ABCNews interview of Biden.

He made things even worse.  He reminds me of a dead man walking.

It seemed to me, that for the most part, he could not even understand the questions.

Hopefully, this will get the powers that be to push Jill out of the way & get Joe out of the race.

It was sad to watch.

Jerry Baumchen

we all saw it years ago and we all said it years ago.  Now it is here.  it's a fucking disaster and despite the project 2025 and women's rights going away, Trump may very well win,

I predict the lowest presidential vote turnout in history.  The only hope is that less disenfranchised trump voters show up than disenfranchised Biden voters.....  because NO ONE is actually enthused about either of these candidates. and we have left the concept of a representative government, whether you call it a republic or a democracy.

hope is lousy management strategy.  Fuck I would even support Kamala at this point if Biden would just fuck off already, and we have left the concept of a representative government, whether you call it a republic or a democracy.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

3 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

we all saw it years ago and we all said it years ago.  Now it is here.  it's a fucking disaster and despite the project 2025 and women's rights going away, Trump may very well win,

I predict the lowest presidential vote turnout in history.  The only hope is that less disenfranchised trump voters show up than disenfranchised Biden voters.....  because NO ONE is actually enthused about either of these candidates. and we have left the concept of a representative government, whether you call it a republic or a democracy.

hope is lousy management strategy.  Fuck I would even support Kamala at this point if Biden would just fuck off already, and we have left the concept of a representative government, whether you call it a republic or a democracy.

Hi tk,

I will vote for Trump's opponent in Nov, no matter who it might be.

I will no longer support Joe Biden financially.  If he steps aside, I will probably support that person with my money.

Jerry Baumchen

[brenthutch 444]

16 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

I predict the lowest presidential vote turnout in history.  The only hope is that less disenfranchised trump voters show up than disenfranchised Biden voters.....  

I predict the highest turnout in history, the Ds don’t like Biden but they loathe Trump. (did Biden get millions of votes more than Obama because he was massively popular or was it hate directed towards Trump) Some Rs are rabid Trump supporters, some are ambivalent but would rather have someone who doesn’t want to “defeat Medicare”.  On one hand, as seen by the Ds Trump represents an existential threat to Democracy on the other hand as seen by Rs a vote for Biden equals a vote for a severely diminished old man or a VP Harris. Both dynamics will drive voter turnout and a few billion in campaign cash won’t hurt either.

[BIGUN 1,314]

10 hours ago, tkhayes said:

bullshit.  and there is nothing you have to show that is true or even partially true.  'the family' exists for the survival of the species and that is pretty much it.  The family has the same problems that the non-family has

There's a ton of metrics over the past 70 years that would contradict this statement - and from the left, right, NIH, Prison Bureau, etc.

 

10 hours ago, tkhayes said:

Now it is here.  it's a fucking disaster

I understand how you and Jerry feel. I've been that way for a long time. It has become the worst "Vote Against" I've seen in my lifetime.   

[johnhking1 96]

The presidential debate and Biden interview has certainly generated a lot of coverage by the press and commentary.  If it starts to fade, the next public appearance by Biden will result in a boost of coverage.  It looks like it will be a hot topic right up to the election.  Stay tuned.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

11 hours ago, brenthutch said:

On one hand, as seen by the Ds Trump represents an existential threat to Democracy on the other hand as seen by Rs a vote for Biden equals a vote for a severely diminished old man or a VP Harris.

Alrighty then, so you do see that fighting for something important isn't the same as fighting against something that's not. 

Pro tip: apply that to virtually everything you lay claim to here as being your core beliefs.

[Phil1111 1,149]

40 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Alrighty then, so you do see that fighting for something important isn't the same as fighting against something that's not. 

Pro tip: apply that to virtually everything you lay claim to here as being your core beliefs.

GOP core beliefs are neatly stated in a NYT article today:

"Steve Nagel, a chiropractor and talk radio host based in North Dakota, has frequently claimed that vaccines of all types lead to worse health outcomes for children.

Demi Kouzounas oversaw a party platform as the chairwoman of the Maine state Republican committee that defined the teaching of nonbinary genders in public schools as “child sexual abuse.”

David Barton, an amateur Texas historian, has long called the separation between church and state a “myth.”

All three are among the 112 delegates serving on the Republican Party’s national platform committee, which will assemble in Milwaukee on Monday to spend the next two days writing the first G.O.P. platform since 2016.

The primary goal is a “short form” 2024 document that is a pledge of allegiance to former President Donald J. Trump rather than the statement of party values the platform has traditionally been, according to interviews with a dozen of platform representatives and other Republicans. Mr. Trump’s top campaign advisers, Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles, have already stated their intention of producing a “streamlined platform,” with policy specifics kept to a bare minimum."

Soon to be regurgitated views on FOX and by other trump supporters. I guess this new ideology and core beliefs has replaced QAnon theory.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, Phil1111 said:

GOP core beliefs are neatly stated in a NYT article today:

"Steve Nagel, a chiropractor and talk radio host based in North Dakota, has frequently claimed that vaccines of all types lead to worse health outcomes for children.

Demi Kouzounas oversaw a party platform as the chairwoman of the Maine state Republican committee that defined the teaching of nonbinary genders in public schools as “child sexual abuse.”

David Barton, an amateur Texas historian, has long called the separation between church and state a “myth.”

All three are among the 112 delegates serving on the Republican Party’s national platform committee, which will assemble in Milwaukee on Monday to spend the next two days writing the first G.O.P. platform since 2016.

The primary goal is a “short form” 2024 document that is a pledge of allegiance to former President Donald J. Trump rather than the statement of party values the platform has traditionally been, according to interviews with a dozen of platform representatives and other Republicans. Mr. Trump’s top campaign advisers, Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles, have already stated their intention of producing a “streamlined platform,” with policy specifics kept to a bare minimum."

Soon to be regurgitated views on FOX and by other trump supporters. I guess this new ideology and core beliefs has replaced QAnon theory.

Brent, I think, isn’t quite like that. He’s more like a guy whose house is full of flys and thinks fly swatters don’t work because the first swing didn’t get them all.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 7/6/2024 at 3:06 AM, BIGUN said:

Huh? Are you talking about those that live together, but don't marry - or children of divorce?

Family that lives together. Family with two moms or family with two dads. Very successful single parents as well.

 

This idea that a Christian, married couple with children is the only way a society can be built is....well religious crap.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

5 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I understand how you and Jerry feel. I've been that way for a long time. It has become the worst "Vote Against" I've seen in my lifetime. 

A doddering old fool who should have passed on a second run but who has been a competent president vs. a pathological liar, narcissist, serial fraud, convicted rapist, whose been convicted of fraud and election interference etc. etc. etc. is the worst "Vote Against" in your lifetime? Only for someone 3 1/2 years old, maybe.

[brenthutch 444]

45 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

A doddering old fool who should have passed on a second run but who has been a competent president vs. a pathological liar, narcissist, serial fraud, convicted rapist, whose been convicted of fraud and election interference etc. etc. etc. is the worst "Vote Against" in your lifetime? Only for someone 3 1/2 years old, maybe.

Looks like Biden is staying and in a fighting mood. He was feisty on Morning Joe this AM. Confused, nonsensical and unable to form a cogent sentence but still very feisty 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, brenthutch said:

Looks like Biden is staying and in a fighting mood. He was feisty on Morning Joe this AM. Confused, nonsensical and unable to form a cogent sentence but still very feisty 

Yes, I saw that. Now, I think, is a time for freedom loving people everywhere to take stock, grab their money, and run like holy hell.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

4 hours ago, johnhking1 said:

The presidential debate and Biden interview has certainly generated a lot of coverage by the press and commentary.  If it starts to fade, the next public appearance by Biden will result in a boost of coverage.  It looks like it will be a hot topic right up to the election.  Stay tuned.

Hi John,

Well, Joe Biden says:  A defiant President Joe Biden insisted . . .  that he is “done talking about the debate”

Defiant Biden tells donors: 'We're done talking about the debate' - Live Updates - POLITICO

Which just reinforces the idea that he has no grasp on reality.

He may be done talking about it, but the nation is not.

Jerry Baumchen

 

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

3 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

GOP core beliefs are neatly stated in a NYT article today:

"Steve Nagel, a chiropractor and talk radio host based in North Dakota, has frequently claimed that vaccines of all types lead to worse health outcomes for children.

Demi Kouzounas oversaw a party platform as the chairwoman of the Maine state Republican committee that defined the teaching of nonbinary genders in public schools as “child sexual abuse.”

David Barton, an amateur Texas historian, has long called the separation between church and state a “myth.”

All three are among the 112 delegates serving on the Republican Party’s national platform committee, which will assemble in Milwaukee on Monday to spend the next two days writing the first G.O.P. platform since 2016.

The primary goal is a “short form” 2024 document that is a pledge of allegiance to former President Donald J. Trump rather than the statement of party values the platform has traditionally been, according to interviews with a dozen of platform representatives and other Republicans. Mr. Trump’s top campaign advisers, Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles, have already stated their intention of producing a “streamlined platform,” with policy specifics kept to a bare minimum."

Soon to be regurgitated views on FOX and by other trump supporters. I guess this new ideology and core beliefs has replaced QAnon theory.

Hi Phil,

Re:  Steve Nagel, a chiropractor . . .  based in North Dakota has frequently claimed that vaccines of all types lead to worse health outcomes for children.

A chiropractor is not a medical person.  Just another charlatan.

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

A doddering old fool who should have passed on a second run but who has been a competent president vs. a pathological liar, narcissist, serial fraud, convicted rapist, whose been convicted of fraud and election interference etc. etc. etc. is the worst "Vote Against" in your lifetime? Only for someone 3 1/2 years old, maybe.

Hi Joe,

So, what choices have been worse?

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Family that lives together. Family with two moms or family with two dads. Very successful single parents as well.

 

This idea that a Christian, married couple with children is the only way a society can be built is....well religious crap.

Hi Sky,

I might be some exception, but I raised two teenagers as a single parent; beginning in 1992.  I am probably biased; but, I think they both are doing really good in this world of ours.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

So, what choices have been worse?

Jerry Baumchen

The point is this election there is no equivalence. Between the two Biden is the clear choice.  In the voting booth it’s a no brainer. 

[billvon 2,991]

34 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

A chiropractor is not a medical person. 

Well, he is; he's just not an MD.