SCS422 30 #301 July 10, 2024 2 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said: You said: Not stated, but clearly implied. I don't see how you can say that I implied same sex couples are going to be the only couples when I clearly said only a few. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #302 July 10, 2024 13 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Yes, well back to who will replace Biden, jump to minute 45 and watch Biden address NATO. Ask yourself honestly, aside from the slight tongue tangles from a born impediment, is this a man who presents as a President? Is this a man to vote for? The problem is that, as my drill sergeant once said, one awshit wipes out all of your attaboys and Biden has an ever growing pile of awshits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #303 July 10, 2024 16 hours ago, brenthutch said: If Biden stays in and hurts the prospects of down ballot candidates, resulting in a Trump presidency and a Republican super majority in the Senate, Biden might be seen as the most transformational president in history. Project 25, economic decoupling from China, withdrawal from NATO and more will all be attributed to Biden’s recalcitrants. Yes you wouldn't want to hold responsible the people actually taking the actions. That would cause some rough cognitive dissonance. The party of personal responsibility...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #304 July 10, 2024 15 hours ago, brenthutch said: The nuclear family with a father and mother has been the fundamental building block of society for millennia and has statistically been demonstrated to be the most successful. What stats are those? Then show how being married improves those stats. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #305 July 10, 2024 5 hours ago, brenthutch said: And you wonder why we have school shootings and a crime problem. I see the MBA never touched on the difference between correlation and causation. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #306 July 10, 2024 1 minute ago, SkyDekker said: Yes you wouldn't want to hold responsible the people actually taking the actions. That would cause some rough cognitive dissonance. The party of personal responsibility...... Chamberlain brought us “peace for our time” Ray Stantz gave us the Stay Puff marshmallow man and Biden will usher in Trump 2.0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #307 July 10, 2024 8 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: What stats are those? Then show how being married improves those stats. Who said anything about being married? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #308 July 10, 2024 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: Who said anything about being married? Project 2025, which is where the quote you agree with came from. As was pretty clearly outlined. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #309 July 10, 2024 (edited) 6 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Chamberlain brought us “peace for our time” Ray Stantz gave us the Stay Puff marshmallow man and Biden will usher in Trump 2.0 So you agree then that parents, as well as gun manufacturers should be held responsible for the actions of a shooter....considering it was their actions, or lack thereof, that resulted in the deaths from mass shootings..... Or are you like SCOTUS of a Banana Republic and swing around like bendy man at the used car lot? Edited July 10, 2024 by SkyDekker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #310 July 10, 2024 1 minute ago, SkyDekker said: Project 2025, which is where the quote you agree with came from. As was pretty clearly outlined. From Time magazine September 28, 2023 “Has the social normalization of raising children outside of a two-parent arrangement led to more children being raised in a one-parent household? Surely, yes. And has this trend served the best interests of children? Based on the evidence of how beneficial two parent (especially two biological parent) homes are for children, the answer is an unequivocal no.” And since you brought up marriage… “The evidence is clear, even if the punchline is uncomfortable: children are more likely to thrive— behaviorally and academically, and ultimately in the labor market and adult life—if they grow up with the advantages of a two-parent home. Numerous academic studies confirm that children raised in married parent homes are less likely to get in trouble in school or with the law; they are more likely to graduate high school and college; they are more likely to have higher income and be married themselves as adults. Research suggests that boys are especially disadvantaged by the absence of dads from their homes. These facts are indisputable.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,822 #311 July 10, 2024 Just now, brenthutch said: From Time magazine September 28, 2023 “Has the social normalization of raising children outside of a two-parent arrangement led to more children being raised in a one-parent household? Surely, yes. And has this trend served the best interests of children? Based on the evidence of how beneficial two parent (especially two biological parent) homes are for children, the answer is an unequivocal no.” And since you brought up marriage… “The evidence is clear, even if the punchline is uncomfortable: children are more likely to thrive— behaviorally and academically, and ultimately in the labor market and adult life—if they grow up with the advantages of a two-parent home. Numerous academic studies confirm that children raised in married parent homes are less likely to get in trouble in school or with the law; they are more likely to graduate high school and college; they are more likely to have higher income and be married themselves as adults. Research suggests that boys are especially disadvantaged by the absence of dads from their homes. These facts are indisputable.” Did they discuss any correlation to institutional racism, redlining, and stuff like that as contributors to the numbers of single parent homes? Did they at all go out of their way to point out that two parents of the same sex might be better than one parent of any sex? Other than writing a story that would appeal to most non-thinkers and get the required eyeballs was there any mention of the greater cost of society not intervening economically vs. the more appealing cost of just harrfumphing see, see, I told you, I told you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #312 July 10, 2024 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Did they discuss any correlation to institutional racism, redlining, and stuff like that as contributors to the numbers of single parent homes? You forgot reason number one, the government replacing fathers in low income households. “One contributor to family breakdown, which soon spread to the poor and working-class white family, may have been welfare expansion. Cash welfare in meager form existed since 1935,4 and some welfare expansion took place during the Kennedy administration. But under Johnson’s Great Society, which began in 1964, benefits became substantially more generous and came under greater control of the federal government. In the words of Harvard’s Paul Peterson, “some programs actively discouraged marriage,” because “welfare assistance went to mothers so long as no male was boarding in the household” Bring on the baby daddy. “A baby daddy is the biological father of a child, usually when he's not in a relationship with the mother and not actively raising the child.” Edited July 10, 2024 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #313 July 10, 2024 23 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Did they discuss any correlation to institutional racism, redlining, and stuff like that as contributors to the numbers of single parent homes? Did they at all go out of their way to point out that two parents of the same sex might be better than one parent of any sex? Other than writing a story that would appeal to most non-thinkers and get the required eyeballs was there any mention of the greater cost of society not intervening economically vs. the more appealing cost of just harrfumphing see, see, I told you, I told you! Actually during the height of Jim Crow and all of the institutional racism that entails single mothers represented around 11% of black households now it’s around 70%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,822 #314 July 10, 2024 Just now, brenthutch said: Actually during the height of Jim Crow and all of the institutional racism that entails single mothers represented around 11% of black households now it’s around 70%. How would you fix it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,436 #315 July 10, 2024 Hi folks, The list keeps getting longer: George Clooney calls for Joe Biden to quit presidential race (bbc.com) Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,822 #316 July 10, 2024 Just now, JerryBaumchen said: Hi folks, The list keeps getting longer: George Clooney calls for Joe Biden to quit presidential race (bbc.com) Jerry Baumchen Excellent, but I’m holding out for Sarah Brightman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #317 July 10, 2024 (edited) 23 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: How would you fix it? First we have to acknowledge what the data says. The married two parent household is the ideal model for child rearing and that fatherless children especially boys are more likely to drop out of school, make less money and are more likely to engage in criminal activity. And let’s stop celebrating the failure to achieve that ideal. Edited July 10, 2024 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #318 July 10, 2024 24 minutes ago, brenthutch said: The married two parent household is the ideal model for child rearing and that fatherless children especially boys are more likely to drop out of school, make less money and are more likely to engage in criminal activity. And let’s stop celebrating the failure to achieve that ideal. So elect Donald Trump as a proud example of that ideal..... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #319 July 10, 2024 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Research suggests that boys are especially disadvantaged by the absence of dads from their homes. These facts are indisputable.” lol, that infamous MBA at work again. 26 minutes ago, brenthutch said: First we have to acknowledge what the data says. The married two parent household is the ideal model You still haven't presented data that shows a married couple outperforms an unmarried couple. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #320 July 10, 2024 1 minute ago, SkyDekker said: So elect Donald Trump as a proud example of that ideal..... Divorced x2 so no. Really SkyDekker I expect more from you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #321 July 10, 2024 16 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Divorced x2 so no. Really SkyDekker I expect more from you. Yet Project 2025 fully supports Trump for President......so, that's your side supporting a twice divorced rapist to bring back the strength of the Christian married heterosexual family.... I could say I expect more....but I don't. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #322 July 10, 2024 (edited) 23 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: You still haven't presented data that shows a married couple outperforms an unmarried couple. https://www.clasp.org/sites/default/files/public/resources-and-publications/states/0086.pdf The average cohabitation union lasts an average of two years. Nuf said Edited July 10, 2024 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #323 July 10, 2024 3 minutes ago, brenthutch said: https://www.clasp.org/sites/default/files/public/resources-and-publications/states/0086.pdf I know you haven't read it. It doesn't answer the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #324 July 10, 2024 10 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Yet Project 2025 fully supports Trump for President......so, that's your side supporting a twice divorced rapist to bring back the strength of the Christian married heterosexual family.... I could say I expect more....but I don't. I don’t have a side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #325 July 10, 2024 3 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: I know you haven't read it. It doesn't answer the question. Ask the question more precisely, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites