Who will replace Biden?

[SCS422 30]

  On 7/9/2024 at 7:20 PM, SkyDekker said:

You can quote society all you want, doesn't change anything. Also doesn't prove how a married, Christian family with a couple of kids is the only way...as is foreseen in project 2025.

 

I think all of us are old enough to understand you need sperm and a woman to make babies.

Well, I can see that nothing I say will be of any consequence but the truth  remains that the family unit is the backbone of civilization and that is only accomplished by a heterosexual relationship.  I can see absolutely NOTHING  good coming from two men or two women together in a relationship raising children. 

[billvon 3,068]

  On 7/9/2024 at 7:30 PM, SCS422 said:

Well, I can see that nothing I say will be of any consequence but the truth  remains that the family unit is the backbone of civilization and that is only accomplished by a heterosexual relationship. 

I know a great many heterosexual couples who could not have kids on their own and adopted, or got donor sperm.  They are just as much a part of the backbone of society as any other family.

So the ability to have kids has little to do with being part of the "backbone" of society.  Indeed, intentional families are generally stronger and more likely to stick together than the sort of accidental families many heterosexual people end up in.

[SCS422 30]

  On 7/9/2024 at 7:34 PM, billvon said:

I know a great many heterosexual couples who could not have kids on their own and adopted, or got donor sperm.  They are just as much a part of the backbone of society as any other family.

So the ability to have kids has little to do with being part of the "backbone" of society.  Indeed, intentional families are generally stronger and more likely to stick together than the sort of accidental families many heterosexual people end up in.

My replies are not meant to not include adopting etc..

[BIGUN 1,402]

  On 7/9/2024 at 7:30 PM, SCS422 said:

I can see absolutely NOTHING  good coming from two men or two women together in a relationship raising children. 

That's a 1970's perspective. Welcome to the 21st Century. What Bill said above is the key - "Intentional Families." Years of research by Dr. Manning would indicate that,

"Beliefs that gay and lesbian adults are not fit parents, or that the psychosocial development of the children of gay and lesbian parents is compromised, have no basis in science. Our position is based on a review representing approximately 50 empirical studies and at least another 50 articles and book chapters and does not rest on the results of any one study. These articles appear in such journals as Developmental Psychology, the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, the American Psychologist, the Marriage and Family Review, the American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, and the journals of Family Relations, Sex Roles, and Social Work. An annotated bibliography on the topic can be found on the website of the American Psychological Association."

You can read more about it if you're interested. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4091994/

[JoeWeber 2,822]

  On 7/9/2024 at 7:30 PM, SCS422 said:

I can see absolutely NOTHING  good coming from two men or two women together in a relationship raising children. 

That's your problem, not societies. If naught else some kids will have parents and, hopefully, a stable loving family. You know, as opposed to wasting away in an orphanage or bouncing from being unwanted in a succession of foster homes. Your particular brand of homophobia may get you through the day but it doesn't help kids with no family of any type.

[JoeWeber 2,822]

  On 7/9/2024 at 8:43 PM, BIGUN said:

That's a 1970's perspective.

Good point. Apparently awareness of the world around you is at risk of ending when you stop jumping. I can see that in a few posters here.

[JerryBaumchen 1,434]

Hi folks,

This from the Cook Political Report, a VERY left-leaning publication:  Former President Trump is gaining ground in key swing states and could threaten to take states once considered to be safe for Democrats

Democrats lose ground in 6 states with election forecaster's post-debate shift (thehill.com)

If Joe Biden cannot see this, he needs someone to take him out back & 'convince' him.

Jerry Baumchen

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/9/2024 at 10:41 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

This from the Cook Political Report, a VERY left-leaning publication:  Former President Trump is gaining ground in key swing states and could threaten to take states once considered to be safe for Democrats

Democrats lose ground in 6 states with election forecaster's post-debate shift (thehill.com)

If Joe Biden cannot see this, he needs someone to take him out back & 'convince' him.

Jerry Baumchen

If Biden stays in and hurts the prospects of down ballot candidates, resulting in a Trump presidency and a Republican super majority in the Senate, Biden might be seen as the most transformational president in history. Project 25, economic decoupling from China, withdrawal from NATO and more will all be attributed to Biden’s recalcitrants.

Edited July 9, 2024 by brenthutch

[billvon 3,068]

  On 7/9/2024 at 10:41 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

If Joe Biden cannot see this, he needs someone to take him out back & 'convince' him.

Oh, he can see it, but he's not going to drop out.  He's going to go the Ginsberg route.

[gowlerk 2,249]

  On 7/9/2024 at 11:43 PM, billvon said:

Oh, he can see it, but he's not going to drop out.  He's going to go the Ginsberg route.

If he does he will become one of the biggest failures as POTUS in history. And Trump will likely become one of the most important ever. But not in a good way.

[JerryBaumchen 1,434]

  On 7/9/2024 at 11:43 PM, billvon said:

Oh, he can see it, but he's not going to drop out.  He's going to go the Ginsberg route.

Hi Bill,

I am afraid you are right.  She gave us the current SCOTUS; and, Joe could make things far worse.

Hmm, what does Coup D'etat mean again?

Jerry Baumchen

 

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/9/2024 at 11:43 PM, billvon said:

Oh, he can see it, but he's not going to drop out.  He's going to go the Ginsberg route.

 

  On 7/10/2024 at 12:04 AM, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Bill,

I am afraid you are right.  She gave us the current SCOTUS; and, Joe could make things far worse.

Hmm, what does Coup D'etat mean again?

Jerry Baumchen

 

They are going bananas on MSNBC

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

  On 7/9/2024 at 7:19 PM, SCS422 said:

I quote "society". That implies a multitude of people and damn sure not by IVF, adoption and surrogate.  You may get a few dozen but you are NOT going to build a society using that means.

 

  On 7/9/2024 at 7:30 PM, SCS422 said:

Well, I can see that nothing I say will be of any consequence but the truth  remains that the family unit is the backbone of civilization and that is only accomplished by a heterosexual relationship.  I can see absolutely NOTHING  good coming from two men or two women together in a relationship raising children. 

Wow.

You seem to think that same sex couples will be the ONLY kind of couples.

I never saw it as more than the 10% or 15% whose brains are 'wired' that way.

And you might want to open your eyes a bit.

2 men or 2 women who are responsible, caring, educated, employed and living a productive useful life are going to be FAAAAAAAAAR better at raising children than drug addicts, career criminals or other people of that type.

I know a '2 dads' couple who have 2 kids. The son is about 4 and is an awesome little dude. They just recently brought a newborn baby girl into their household.
She was born to a mom who has several other kids, all of whom have been taken by the authorities. She's a long term drug addict. She's currently in prison (she was sentenced shortly after becoming pregnant). 
My friends welcomed the baby into their family almost immediately after birth. The county had basically taken custody away before the baby was born.
The guys are planning on adopting, but that takes some time. They are currently 'officially' fostering. But, having done virtually the same thing with their son, they are quite confident that the little girl will be 'theirs' in time.

That means 2 kids that are NOT in the care of the state. Not a burden on the taxpayer. Far less likely to end up 'in the system' as criminals. 

You know, a much better life.

Just with 2 dads.

[nigel99 568]

  On 7/9/2024 at 11:43 PM, billvon said:

Oh, he can see it, but he's not going to drop out.  He's going to go the Ginsberg route.

It honestly goes to show the vanity and self centered nature of most politicians. The magnanimous way for Biden to have dealt with this would have been to acknowledge his age at the beginning and groom and foster a strong replacement. That is what a good Chief Executive does, they foster and promote succession planning.

I never previously had a problem with Biden, but I quite dislike him now. There is no denying a terrible debate performance and sorry but I wouldn’t want my president to have a ‘bad day’ like that in the middle of a national crisis. For all the abuse Bush got for his reaction to 9/11 imagine Biden in the state he was if that had happened?

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/10/2024 at 12:30 AM, wolfriverjoe said:

 

Wow.

You seem to think that same sex couples will be the ONLY kind of couples.

I never saw it as more than the 10% or 15% whose brains are 'wired' that way.

And you might want to open your eyes a bit.

2 men or 2 women who are responsible, caring, educated, employed and living a productive useful life are going to be FAAAAAAAAAR better at raising children than drug addicts, career criminals or other people of that type.

I know a '2 dads' couple who have 2 kids. The son is about 4 and is an awesome little dude. They just recently brought a newborn baby girl into their household.
She was born to a mom who has several other kids, all of whom have been taken by the authorities. She's a long term drug addict. She's currently in prison (she was sentenced shortly after becoming pregnant). 
My friends welcomed the baby into their family almost immediately after birth. The county had basically taken custody away before the baby was born.
The guys are planning on adopting, but that takes some time. They are currently 'officially' fostering. But, having done virtually the same thing with their son, they are quite confident that the little girl will be 'theirs' in time.

That means 2 kids that are NOT in the care of the state. Not a burden on the taxpayer. Far less likely to end up 'in the system' as criminals. 

You know, a much better life.

Just with 2 dads.

That is all fine. One can find several examples of non traditional family structures that work however one cannot base a society on the exception of the rule. The nuclear family with a father and mother has been the fundamental building block of society for millennia and has statistically been demonstrated to be the most successful. I understand the opposition of things that work is deeply ingrained in Lefty DNA but the facts are the facts.

[Phil1111 1,149]

  On 7/10/2024 at 12:47 AM, brenthutch said:

That is all fine. One can find several examples of non traditional family structures that work however one cannot base a society on the exception of the rule. The nuclear family with a father and mother has been the fundamental building block of society for millennia and has statistically been demonstrated to be the most successful. I understand the opposition of things that work is deeply ingrained in Lefty DNA but the facts are the facts.

Here is a fact for you. In the US the traditional heterosexual nuclear family has accounted for less than 1/2 of all families for more than a decade. Furthermore that demise is accelerating.

So in the republican mind is that the reason for the demise of American society?

[JoeWeber 2,822]

  On 7/10/2024 at 12:47 AM, brenthutch said:

That is all fine. One can find several examples of non traditional family structures that work however one cannot base a society on the exception of the rule. The nuclear family with a father and mother has been the fundamental building block of society for millennia and has statistically been demonstrated to be the most successful. I understand the opposition of things that work is deeply ingrained in Lefty DNA but the facts are the facts.

Yes, well back to who will replace Biden, jump to minute 45 and watch Biden address NATO. Ask yourself honestly, aside from the slight tongue tangles from a born impediment, is this a man who presents as a President? Is this a man to vote for? 

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,434]

  On 7/10/2024 at 12:39 AM, nigel99 said:

It honestly goes to show the vanity and self centered nature of most politicians. The magnanimous way for Biden to have dealt with this would have been to acknowledge his age at the beginning and groom and foster a strong replacement. That is what a good Chief Executive does, they foster and promote succession planning.

I never previously had a problem with Biden, but I quite dislike him now. There is no denying a terrible debate performance and sorry but I wouldn’t want my president to have a ‘bad day’ like that in the middle of a national crisis. For all the abuse Bush got for his reaction to 9/11 imagine Biden in the state he was if that had happened?

Hi Nigel,

Agree 100 %.  Especially with this:  I never previously had a problem with Biden, but I quite dislike him now.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  I'm starting to consider Jill Biden as Madame Nhu 2.0.

[SCS422 30]

  On 7/10/2024 at 12:30 AM, wolfriverjoe said:

 

Wow.

You seem to think that same sex couples will be the ONLY kind of couples.

I never saw it as more than the 10% or 15% whose brains are 'wired' that way.

And you might want to open your eyes a bit.

2 men or 2 women who are responsible, caring, educated, employed and living a productive useful life are going to be FAAAAAAAAAR better at raising children than drug addicts, career criminals or other people of that type.

I know a '2 dads' couple who have 2 kids. The son is about 4 and is an awesome little dude. They just recently brought a newborn baby girl into their household.
She was born to a mom who has several other kids, all of whom have been taken by the authorities. She's a long term drug addict. She's currently in prison (she was sentenced shortly after becoming pregnant). 
My friends welcomed the baby into their family almost immediately after birth. The county had basically taken custody away before the baby was born.
The guys are planning on adopting, but that takes some time. They are currently 'officially' fostering. But, having done virtually the same thing with their son, they are quite confident that the little girl will be 'theirs' in time.

That means 2 kids that are NOT in the care of the state. Not a burden on the taxpayer. Far less likely to end up 'in the system' as criminals. 

You know, a much better life.

Just with 2 dads.

Show me where I said same sex couples are going to be the only couples????

[billvon 3,068]

  On 7/9/2024 at 7:37 PM, SCS422 said:

My replies are not meant to not include adopting etc..

Oh!  Then no worries.  As long as you are OK with families of any arrangement having their own kids, doing IVF/surrogacy or adopting, I have no disagreement with you.

[JoeWeber 2,822]

  On 7/10/2024 at 2:20 AM, billvon said:

Oh!  Then no worries.  As long as you are OK with families of any arrangement having their own kids, doing IVF/surrogacy or adopting, I have no disagreement with you.

Now maybe he'll go back to 1970 like that Hissone guy who also couldn't handle facts.

[nigel99 568]

  On 7/10/2024 at 12:59 AM, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Nigel,

Agree 100 %.  Especially with this:  I never previously had a problem with Biden, but I quite dislike him now.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  I'm starting to consider Jill Biden as Madame Nhu 2.0.

I was stunned at Jill’s performance after the debate. It was condescending as hell. It was how you talk to a toddler or dog not a president. 

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/10/2024 at 12:56 AM, Phil1111 said:

Here is a fact for you. In the US the traditional heterosexual nuclear family has accounted for less than 1/2 of all families for more than a decade. Furthermore that demise is accelerating.

So in the republican mind is that the reason for the demise of American society?

And you wonder why we have school shootings and a crime problem.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

  On 7/10/2024 at 2:18 AM, SCS422 said:

Show me where I said same sex couples are going to be the only couples????

You said:
 

  Quote

 You may get a few dozen but you are NOT going to build a society using that means.

Not stated, but clearly implied.

[wmw999 2,534]

  On 7/9/2024 at 11:41 PM, brenthutch said:

If Biden stays in and hurts the prospects of down ballot candidates, resulting in a Trump presidency and a Republican super majority in the Senate, Biden might be seen as the most transformational president in history. Project 25, economic decoupling from China, withdrawal from NATO and more will all be attributed to Biden’s recalcitrants.

Only by people like you, who look to the right person when apportioning blame, kind of like the abusive spouse who said "you made me!"

Wendy P.