Who will replace Biden?

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1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Not sure I’d go that far. His up days are also impressive for an octogenarian, and he clearly has taken far fewer days off than his opponent did during his last term. I wouldn’t want Mick Jagger as president, either.

Wendy P. 

No to Mick Jagger but a resounding yes to Keith Richards

[brenthutch 444]

37 minutes ago, billvon said:

From a purely objective perspective, Biden has more functional years ahead of him than Trump does.  Trump is morbidly obese, has a poor diet, gets no exercise and has a family history of Alzheimer's, so looking at the issue purely objectively Biden will be more likely to be alive, aware and functioning at the end of four years than Trump.

I realize that means nothing these days, but just wanted to mention that.

Biden showed us the other night that his functional years are behind him now. To prevent a second Trump term the Democrats would have to nominate a Republican or a DINO like Joe Manchin 

Edited June 29, 2024 by brenthutch

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, brenthutch said:

Biden showed us the other night that his functional years are behind him now.

Are you just plagiarizing us, finally coming around, writing another song, or are your functional years behind you now?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, brenthutch said:

100% That is how we got Trump in the first place. The DNC cleared the deck and anointed HRC, the most unpopular and polarizing politician in recent history and the only person on the planet who could lose to Trump.

Er, um, see, the thing is recent history includes Trump. Just saying.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

17 hours ago, billvon said:

I wouldn't be elected once, never mind twice.  Which means that even if I DID get elected the first time, I'd be a literal lame duck.

Sometimes the best solution is full speed ahead. Might be Biden needs to just beat the drum: Okay, I blew the debate. I was sick and I’m also 81 and I stutter. So freakin’ sue me. Look, here’s the deal, this has always been a race between the lesser of two evils and nothing has changed because of one tv show. Trump is still a felon, a traitor, a non stop liar, a convicted rapist, a fraud, a failed businessman, and a total jerk. That’s just 7 things to remember and 4 more than that moron needed to remember for the Alzhiemers test he aced. So let’s relax, work together and remember one thing: elect me and it’s 4 more years if I’m lucky, maximum. Him and his MAGA criminals you’ll never be rid of.

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22 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Er, um, see, the thing is recent history includes Trump. Just saying.

Up until that point 

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

21 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Sometimes the best solution is full speed ahead. Might be Biden needs to just beat the drum: Okay, I blew the debate. I was sick and I’m also 81 and I stutter. So freakin’ sue me. Look, here’s the deal, this has always been a race between the lesser of two evils and nothing has changed because of one tv show. Trump is still a felon, a traitor, a non stop liar, a convicted rapist, a fraud, a failed businessman, and a total jerk. That’s just 7 things to remember and 4 more than that moron needed to remember for the Alzhiemers test he aced. So let’s relax, work together and remember one thing: elect me and it’s 4 more years if I’m lucky, maximum. Him and his MAGA criminals you’ll never be rid of.

Hi Joe,

You are not facing reality.  This election will be decided in 6-7 states by the 'undecided' voters.  Many of those that have been on the fence about Biden's age, had their minds made up Thurs nite.

You cannot push water upstream.

Joe Biden had one chance to show that an old guy can do the job.  He failed.

Even his speech on Friday, the next day showed him slurring his words at times.

Jerry Baumchen

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Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

You are not facing reality.  This election will be decided in 6-7 states by the 'undecided' voters.  Many of those that have been on the fence about Biden's age, had their minds made up Thurs nite.

You cannot push water upstream.

Joe Biden had one chance to show that an old guy can do the job.  He failed.

Even his speech on Friday, the next day showed him slurring his words at times.

Jerry Baumchen

I get that, we see the same things. I'd be happy to trade him for a steel penny if it would win in November. That said, not electing Trump is the big picture item and asking Kamala to walk away from what she'll believe is a real chance to be President will be a hard pull. So I will continue to hate it and continue to think about potentials. Bottom line: more people will vote for an age disabled Biden that Harris on her best day, just the way it is. 

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17 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I get that, we see the same things. I'd be happy to trade him for a steel penny if it would win in November. That said, not electing Trump is the big picture item and asking Kamala to walk away from what she'll believe is a real chance to be President will be a hard pull. So I will continue to hate it and continue to think about potentials. Bottom line: more people will vote for an age disabled Biden that Harris on her best day, just the way it is. 

Hi Joe,

This country is faced with one issue.  Do we, all of us, want Donald Trump to win the election on Nov 5th?

IMO that must be the most important thing going forward.

When those troops stormed the beaches of France on D-Day, do you think anyone one of them was wondering whether they should gotten a haircut three days ago?  No, of course not; they were focused on one thing & only one thing.

For me, that is the defeat of Donald Trump.

Everything else is in 2nd place; and, so far back that you cannot see it.

I posted this before:  One question for everyone on here:  Can Biden win over Trump in Nov?

I have not seen much in the way of answers.  The silence is telling.

Jerry Baumchen

Edited June 29, 2024 by JerryBaumchen

[gowlerk 2,192]

28 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

 

I posted this before:  One question for everyone on here:  Can Biden win over Trump in Nov?

I have not seen much in the way of answers.  The silence is telling.

Jerry Baumchen

The answer is obvious. It was already a close race before Biden demonstrated that he is teetering on the edge of senility. It is no longer even close. And he will drag the party down with him if he chooses to continue anyway.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

One question for everyone on here:  Can Biden win over Trump in Nov?

Yes. Not because I expect a rejuvenation event but only because, as we didn't foresee his botch job debate, there are any number of pitfalls for Trump. Logic as we used to know it indicate Biden's chances are reduced now. Again, if a solid replacement, and a way to do it can be divined, I'm in. In the meantime every alternative needs to be open for discussion and I'm going to look for the guy who wished that I live in interesting times.

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1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

The answer is obvious. It was already a close race before Biden demonstrated that he is teetering on the edge of senility. It is no longer even close. And he will drag the party down with him if he chooses to continue anyway.

Hi Ken,

Thank You.

You have nailed it.

Jerry Baumchen

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52 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Yes. Not because I expect a rejuvenation event but only because, as we didn't foresee his botch job debate, there are any number of pitfalls for Trump. Logic as we used to know it indicate Biden's chances are reduced now. Again, if a solid replacement, and a way to do it can be divined, I'm in. In the meantime every alternative needs to be open for discussion and I'm going to look for the guy who wished that I live in interesting times.

Hi Joe,

Re:  there are any number of pitfalls for Trump

A number of posters talked about Trump's lies at the debate.  I say, 'So what?'  Did anyone expect him to do anything else?  Trump lost no voters from his debate experience.

Re:   if a solid replacement

This is what I am saying.  However, that does not address my question.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

Re:  there are any number of pitfalls for Trump

A number of posters talked about Trump's lies at the debate.  I say, 'So what?'  Did anyone expect him to do anything else?  Trump lost no voters from his debate experience.

Re:   if a solid replacement

This is what I am saying.  However, that does not address my question.

Jerry Baumchen

Jail time from Merchan might change it.  A Chutkan decision to hold a very public "mini trial" to determine which documents Trump stole would be admissible following the coming USSC immunity decision might sway public opinion. Those might work. I'm not against him leaving the race, I wish he's have bagged before all of this mess, I'm just not sure how Kamala would handle walking away from the one and only chance she'll ever have to be President.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi folks,

Yesterday, I spent a lot of time trying to send a message to the White House.  I could not get past this:

No matter what I did, the window 'select an item' would not work.

Maybe they do not want to hear from us.

I would not be surprised.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  I was able to send a message to V-P Harris.

 

Edited June 29, 2024 by JerryBaumchen

[brenthutch 444]

I posted on another thread but it is more germane to this one.
 

“We will soon find out if Biden is a loyal Democrat and patriot, by stepping down or a self serving politician whose ego and perceived self interest outweigh the needs of the country. (He won’t be able to commute Hunters sentence if he is not President)”

[BIGUN 1,314]

2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

No matter what I did, the window 'select an item' would not work.

Jerry, I tested this for you and it appears there is such a subtle change for the select item to the text box to enter, You might try it again and see if you can enter data.

 

Edited June 30, 2024 by BIGUN

[grimmie 186]

It won’t happen because she is enjoying the quiet life. However. I would love to see Michelle Obama run with a mayor Pete as her VP.

They would mop the floor with Trump.

His ego and the talking heads on Fox would explode.

 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, grimmie said:

It won’t happen because she is enjoying the quiet life. However. I would love to see Michelle Obama run with a mayor Pete as her VP.

They would mop the floor with Trump.

His ego and the talking heads on Fox would explode.

 

Outstanding! So in advance of November how will you rid America of all of our racists, misogynists, and homophobes? 

[grimmie 186]

On a realistic note.

Josh Shapiro would also wreck Trump. He has great approval ratings as governor of PA.  I don’t think being Jewish is a big deal like it used to be for a candidate for POTUS.

 

Put him with Gretchen and that’s a winning ticket. However is P or VP. IMHO that seals up the electoral college.
 

 

 

[grimmie 186]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Outstanding! So in advance of November how will you rid America of all of our racists, misogynists, and homophobes? 

I think the LGBTQ, Black voters and others outvote Billy Joe:)

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, grimmie said:

On a realistic note.

Josh Shapiro would also wreck Trump. He has great approval ratings as governor of PA.  I don’t think being Jewish is a big deal like it used to be for a candidate for POTUS.

 

Put him with Gretchen and that’s a winning ticket. However is P or VP. IMHO that seals up the electoral college.
 

 

 

McGovern replaced Eagleton with Shriver and lost in a landslide to Nixon by 18 million votes who also won 520 electoral votes. Democrats are in disarray and cannot be trusted with the presidency was the cry. Maybe now, and swapping bout the top of the ticket, is different. Also, if Biden drops out because of his diminished capacity shouldn't that also trigger a 25th amendment removal and wouldn't the right be justified in calling for it? What a shit show.

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13 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Wouldn’t you agree calling a significant portion of the electorate “a basket of deplorables” is just a smidge polarizing and her lack of popularity was demonstrated by the results of the election.

Nothing says lack of popularity like winning the popular vote by > 2.8million votes! Brent, you got us libs again!

[brenthutch 444]

7 hours ago, lippy said:

Nothing says lack of popularity like winning the popular vote by > 2.8million votes! Brent, you got us libs again!

If only the popular vote mattered. Getting millions of extra votes in California and New York, doesn’t make up for losing by a few thousand in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. End result? President Trump. Consider yourself gotten.

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There's plenty of time for something to happen in the Democratic party yet there may not be enough time to sort through the details and present a slate that can win. I'm sure that the strategists and Democrat leads have all kinds of lists and flow charts doing the what if game. Seems that they will still have to convince Joe to step aside or maybe he knows he's done and has known that for some time, and he's been told to stay in until they can figure it out. Who knows what's really happening.

The Republican convention is in mid-July. Trump will have 30 days of campaigning and poll results prior to the Democratic convention in Mid-August to gain a bigger lead. His biggest decision is the VP choice. Haley would be a great choice. I doubt he would offer it or that she would take it. Crazier things have happened, like Joe and Kamala making up after the things they said about each other. It's politics, anything can happen.