Who will replace Biden?

[billvon 3,058]

This is getting a little ridiculous.

Biden looked terrible during the debate.  He was off his form and obviously tired.  He'll have better debates than this - and worse debates than this.  Trump, meanwhile, was his usual reality-TV self, with lots of burns and zingers.

And this has been what the story has been for the last four years.  Why is everyone so SHOCKED!  APPALLED! that Trump had a better performance for the debate than Biden?  This has been the basis of the campaign since day one - Biden is a competent president, if old, boring and slow, and will run on his record.  Trump is a reality TV star and performer who CANNOT run on his record.  (Covid?  Jan 6th?  E Jean Carroll?)  There is no reframing needed, no different tack to take, no sudden need to replace Biden that wasn't there before.  This is the same decision people had four years ago - just with both candidates four years older.

And yes, Biden will continue to deteriorate.  So will Trump. 

And from early polls, no one else sees it as a game changer either.  The first poll after the debate shows Biden up by a point, although that's within the margin of error - so in reality it didn't move the needle, at least right after the debate.

Don't fall for the media hype.

[nigel99 558]

50 minutes ago, billvon said:

This is getting a little ridiculous.

Biden looked terrible during the debate.  He was off his form and obviously tired.  He'll have better debates than this - and worse debates than this.  Trump, meanwhile, was his usual reality-TV self, with lots of burns and zingers.

And this has been what the story has been for the last four years.  Why is everyone so SHOCKED!  APPALLED! that Trump had a better performance for the debate than Biden?  This has been the basis of the campaign since day one - Biden is a competent president, if old, boring and slow, and will run on his record.  Trump is a reality TV star and performer who CANNOT run on his record.  (Covid?  Jan 6th?  E Jean Carroll?)  There is no reframing needed, no different tack to take, no sudden need to replace Biden that wasn't there before.  This is the same decision people had four years ago - just with both candidates four years older.

And yes, Biden will continue to deteriorate.  So will Trump. 

And from early polls, no one else sees it as a game changer either.  The first poll after the debate shows Biden up by a point, although that's within the margin of error - so in reality it didn't move the needle, at least right after the debate.

Don't fall for the media hype.

I don’t see it as media hype.

I watched the debate and it was shocking, no spin needed. You can argue that the president is a figure head and irrelevant and that may or may not be true.

If those 2 are the best the USA has to offer then it is a sad state of affairs indeed. A leader should inspire the nation (or business), neither are able to do that. Being ‘nice’, doesn’t make you capable and sadly in the same way as sports people age out of the game, so do politicians.

 

[BIGUN 1,395]

14 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

As I see it, people simply do not know who Wes Moore is.

IMO, it is too late in the game for someone who is not a national figure.

Morning, Jerry. 

Maryland Gov. Wes Moore said Sunday that he will not seek the Democratic nomination this year and he does not foresee President Biden leaving the race, making clear that the president is staying the course despite the bruising debate performance that sparked concern among some members of the party last week. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wes-moore-2024-presidential-nomination-biden/

So, I guess he was at least approached. But, that appears to be the end of it. At least for this round. 

[gowlerk 2,245]

18 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Great. What to do about Kamala?

She has no claim on the nomination. She would just be one possible choice.

[gowlerk 2,245]

9 hours ago, billvon said:

 

Don't fall for the media hype.

It's not media hype. Those who watched the debate saw what they saw and came to their conclusions before the media got a chance to tell them what to think. There is no way to undo that.

[JoeWeber 2,808]

Just now, gowlerk said:

She has no claim on the nomination. She would just be one possible choice.

I am obviously not explaining myself well. 

[Phil1111 1,149]

9 hours ago, billvon said:

This is getting a little ridiculous....

Don't fall for the media hype.

That is well stated and all true. Unfortunately the general public doesn't think like an engineer. Where facts and logic guide decisions. In this era few seem to be able to think about the nation over the price of butter.

Neither trump nor Biden seem to be able to present a coherent vision of a better life for people or the nation.

[ryoder 1,590]

I think the Democrats should put up a Kinzinger/Cheney ticket. [evil grin]

[winsor 236]

10 minutes ago, ryoder said:

I think the Democrats should put up a Kinzinger/Cheney ticket. [evil grin]

I'd vote for Liz Cheney.  She sees the big picture and she has a spine.

[billvon 3,058]

3 hours ago, gowlerk said:

It's not media hype. Those who watched the debate saw what they saw and came to their conclusions before the media got a chance to tell them what to think. There is no way to undo that.

Agreed; they came to their own conclusions.  And those conclusions did not move the needle on support for either candidate, per the polls we have so far.

[JoeWeber 2,808]

Just now, billvon said:

Agreed; they came to their own conclusions.  And those conclusions did not move the needle on support for either candidate, per the polls we have so far.

Which I think must be acknowledged. Also, his fund raising is very strong post debate. I'd swap out Biden for younger and better that didn't lower our chances and have said so. Goal one is beating Trump. If that gets done by pounding square pegs into round holes so be it. Post debate polling and fund raising suggests that is now best accomplished by supported him staying in the race and donating money to generate even more confidence. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

13 hours ago, billvon said:

This is getting a little ridiculous.

Biden looked terrible during the debate.  He was off his form and obviously tired.  He'll have better debates than this - and worse debates than this.  Trump, meanwhile, was his usual reality-TV self, with lots of burns and zingers.

And this has been what the story has been for the last four years.  Why is everyone so SHOCKED!  APPALLED! that Trump had a better performance for the debate than Biden?  This has been the basis of the campaign since day one - Biden is a competent president, if old, boring and slow, and will run on his record.  Trump is a reality TV star and performer who CANNOT run on his record.  (Covid?  Jan 6th?  E Jean Carroll?)  There is no reframing needed, no different tack to take, no sudden need to replace Biden that wasn't there before.  This is the same decision people had four years ago - just with both candidates four years older.

And yes, Biden will continue to deteriorate.  So will Trump. 

And from early polls, no one else sees it as a game changer either.  The first poll after the debate shows Biden up by a point, although that's within the margin of error - so in reality it didn't move the needle, at least right after the debate.

Don't fall for the media hype.

Hi Bill,

I've been wondering when [ or if ] you would join this discussion.

Two questions for you:

1.  Did Trump gain or lose votes due to his debate performance?

2.  Did Biden gain or lose votes due to his debate performance?

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Re:  He'll have better debates than this

He will only get worse.  It is Mother Nature doing her thing.  Oh, and just when will these [ multiple ] debates occur?

 

[gowlerk 2,245]

47 minutes ago, billvon said:

Agreed; they came to their own conclusions.  And those conclusions did not move the needle on support for either candidate, per the polls we have so far.

The polls do not tell who will be motivated to come out and vote. Biden is done. If you and the D party want to believe otherwise it will be at your peril.

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

Just now, gowlerk said:

The polls do not tell who will be motivated to come out and vote. Biden is done. If you and the D party want to believe otherwise it will be at your peril.

Hi Ken,

Folks, this is the truth.

Jerry Baumchen

[billvon 3,058]

16 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

The polls do not tell who will be motivated to come out and vote. Biden is done.

If you say so.  In that case, the country survived one term of Trump; that's evidence it will survive a second.

[ryoder 1,590]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

If you say so.  In that case, the country survived one term of Trump; that's evidence it will survive a second.

Is anyone really naive enough to believe if the Electoral College installs Trump again, that he will voluntarily leave at the end of his term???

[billvon 3,058]

4 minutes ago, ryoder said:

Is anyone really naive enough to believe if the Electoral College installs Trump again, that he will voluntarily leave at the end of his term???

Per actuarial tables he only has about 10 more years to live.  So his term will end one way or another.

[ryoder 1,590]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

Per actuarial tables he only has about 10 more years to live.  So his term will end one way or another.

Exactly. If he gets his fat ass into the Whitehouse again, the only way he will leave is in a pine box.

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

Hi folks,

Ruth Bader Ginsburg took Senility 101 and failed the course.

Joe Biden is taking it now & his grades are not looking so good.

Maher shared that his own choice would be California govern Newsom, because 'people are attracted to what looks like strength, much more than specific policies.

Anti-Biden liberal Bill Maher makes hilarious dig at Joe Biden (msn.com)

The Biden Team should know that this is not going to end until he loses in Nov.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,808]

Just now, ryoder said:

Exactly. If he gets his fat ass into the Whitehouse again, the only way he will leave is in a pine box.

After which one of his appointed spawn will rule the nation. All of this talk it's been superceded by the Presidential Immunity decision. Time to pack the courts, yes courts, and use his new immunity and executive powers to raise hell. No reason not to raid every Trump property for evidence and bring him in to sweat in a cell for a confession. Give Ukraine all it needs, put McConnell in a big pet carrier for transport to Gitmo, end Red State subsidies, license his dogs to bite Comer and Jordon, ban assault weapons, make Brent write I heart Climate Change on the blackboard, and just make life miserable for Republicans.

[brenthutch 444]

On 6/30/2024 at 2:45 PM, kallend said:

  I'm hoping the primary system doesn't survive this election cycle.

I think we got better candidates back in the days of the "smoke filled rooms".

That is how you got HRC

[gowlerk 2,245]

3 hours ago, billvon said:

If you say so.  In that case, the country survived one term of Trump; that's evidence it will survive a second.

I didn't say I liked the situation. I believe that replacing Joe is the only realistic chance of avoiding testing the ability of the Trump survival theory. 

[normiss 843]

Hillary was right. About EVERYTHING

[JoeWeber 2,808]

Just now, brenthutch said:

That is how you got HRC

Depends on how you are going to parse "better".

[JoeWeber 2,808]

1 hour ago, ryoder said:

Is anyone really naive enough to believe if the Electoral College installs Trump again, that he will voluntarily leave at the end of his term???

Also, just to make better your day, Footnote 15 in the immunity decision affirms DOJ policy that a sitting President cannot be prosecuted. That guarantees he won't leave office. This is serious and Biden must use his immunity powers to neuter Trump. Past that then only real hope is Merchan showing up with a MAGA hat and a shit eating grin screaming 4 More Years!