More Sacrifices to the First Amendment

[airdvr 210]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Great point, and similarly so few are the numbers of people who jump who actually bounce or hook it in why give a shit?

Again. That quote refers to the folks whose gender is biologically questionable. Not trans. 

[normiss 798]

18 hours ago, billvon said:

?? So infertile women are men?

I had a college friend who found out she was infertile due to a congenital problem.  She adopted.  You should give her a call to tell her she's a man and will have to use the men's room from here on out.  Come to think of it, she also played women's rubgy.  OMG!  Men in women's sports!

But in any case, looks like you can't answer the question either.  It's funny - conservatives claim that they know the difference between men and women, but when asked, they can never give you a straight answer.  Sounds like they are the ones who are confused.

The important thing here is, which bathroom do they use? Because we gotta ban that shit.  Because kids! Those things we tolerate the mass murder of, but we truly value their bathroom experiences. 

[billvon 2,989]

8 hours ago, airdvr said:

The folks you are championing are such a minuscule percentage of the population. Not sure what the problem is.

The Japanese that we put in prison camps were a miniscule percentage of our population.  Doesn't make that OK.

Gay people are a small part of the population.  Still, laws that made being gay illegal were wrong.

Black people were a small (not miniscule) part of our population in 1860.  Didn't make slavery OK.  Didn't make separate water fountains OK.  Didn't make white-only schools OK.  Although a LOT of bigots used that exact argument - "they have rights!  Just different rights.  There aren't that many of them anyway."

If your argument is "as long as most people have rights that's fine" then you do not support rights - you support privilege.

 

[billvon 2,989]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

Again. That quote refers to the folks whose gender is biologically questionable. Not trans. 

Yep.  And we have now had three different more conservative types try to answer - and still not one of them can tell me if the person in my example is a man or a woman.

At least liberals can figure things like that out.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

7 hours ago, billvon said:

Yep.  And we have now had three different more conservative types try to answer - and still not one of them can tell me if the person in my example is a man or a woman.

At least liberals can figure things like that out.

Phantom twitches from now till the end. 

[tkhayes 348]

17 hours ago, airdvr said:

But your goal seems to be to make it normal and mainstream. I don’t think it is. 

If they exist, then it is 'normal', and most certainly natural.  You seem to have an issue with them existing at all, or at least recognizing that they exist.  Are you threatened somehow by acknowledging things that are normal and natural?

[airdvr 210]

1 hour ago, tkhayes said:

If they exist, then it is 'normal', and most certainly natural.  You seem to have an issue with them existing at all, or at least recognizing that they exist.  Are you threatened somehow by acknowledging things that are normal and natural?

It may be normal and natural to you. 

[normiss 798]

3 hours ago, airdvr said:

It may be normal and natural to you. 

History shows us it's normal and natural.

[wmw999 2,439]

3 hours ago, airdvr said:

It may be normal and natural to you. 

Peeing my name in the snow isn’t normal and natural to me.

Wendy P. 

[billvon 2,989]

4 hours ago, airdvr said:

It may be normal and natural to you. 

And again exactly the same argument was made against interracial marriages.  It's unnatural and sick.  Almost no one does it, so whose rights are we protecting anyway?  Why not protect the rights of normal Americans, not the .01% of sickos who want to marry someone outside their race?

And you still can't answer the question.  I guess you don't know what a woman is.  Fortunately, liberals do.

[airdvr 210]

Enlighten us with your version

[billvon 2,989]

18 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Enlighten us with your version

My version of what?  What's "normal and natural?"  That is determined by the person involved, not you (or me.)

[airdvr 210]

10 hours ago, billvon said:

My version of what?  What's "normal and natural?"  That is determined by the person involved, not you (or me.)

I’ll be more clear. The liberal definition of a woman 

[airdvr 210]

On 12/8/2024 at 4:27 PM, wmw999 said:

Well, current estimates are that a conservative estimate of true intersex (chromosomes don’t match phenotype — or what you “look like.”  That’s a little under 60,000 Americans. Add in transgender and the number climbs. 

For some people, until they know someone, they don’t matter. But you probably do know someone whose problems you’re dismissing. They just don’t want to tell you — it’s their business, not yours. Especially if they think you or someone else might weaponize it against them. How does it hurt you if a transgender male pees in your bathroom?

Again, finding ways to keep people out is much cruder than finding ways to include them.

Wendy P. 

No problem until some sick fuck decides he’s trans for the day

[normiss 798]

9 minutes ago, airdvr said:

No problem until some sick fuck decides he’s trans for the day

Wow. Such kind consideration for your fellow humans.

[tkhayes 348]

23 minutes ago, airdvr said:

No problem until some sick fuck decides he’s trans for the day

No problem until some sick fuck transphobic misogynistic right wing asshole decides to hunt down and murder some trans person because they are different 

which happens exponentially more often than your ‘fear scenario’. Are you against policy that is based in data and reality or just a mindset that policy should be based solely on twisted ideology?

I keep asking and no one ever answers.  What are you afraid of exactly?  And how do you justify that fear?

https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-expansive-community-in-2024

[tkhayes 348]

39 minutes ago, airdvr said:

No problem until some sick fuck decides he’s trans for the day

https://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/slideshow/718/best-cross-dressing-characters-in-film/
 

sick fucks who decided to be trans for a day

got it

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

No problem until some sick fuck decides he’s trans for the day

Why? How does that impact you?

[normiss 798]

5 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Why? How does that impact you?

It seems you have to be obsessed with what other humans are doing when they are nekkid with other adults before this makes any sense. Wait, that still makes zero sense. Unless it's the white wingers with the problem. Their obsession with genitals is disturbing at the very least.

[billvon 2,989]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

No problem until some sick fuck decides he’s trans for the day

Sick fuck Dustin Hoffman decides he's trans for the day because woke.  Result - movie that makes $241 million at the box office.

Sick fuck Adam Lanza decides he's Rambo for the day because muh second amenent rights.  Result - 26 people dead, 20 of them children under 8.

I prefer the woke sick fucks over the right wing sort.

[billvon 2,989]

5 hours ago, airdvr said:

I’ll be more clear. The liberal definition of a woman 

OK no worries.

The original question was: "So is someone who is XY, and has breasts and a vagina, a woman or a man?"

That person is genetically male - that is their genetic sex.  They are phenotypically female - that is their anatomical sex.

Their gender - whether they call themselves a man or a woman, what pronouns they use, how they present themselves etc - is what they decide it is.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

7 minutes ago, normiss said:

It seems you have to be obsessed with what other humans are doing when they are nekkid with other adults before this makes any sense. Wait, that still makes zero sense. Unless it's the white wingers with the problem. Their obsession with genitals is disturbing at the very least.

But there has to be a solution for this perplexing problem. Maybe portable privacy walls with suction cups we can attach between the urinals? Perhaps we can all just agree to stop looking under bathroom stalls to see if it’s occupied? Short of not caring what can we do?

[billvon 2,989]

6 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

But there has to be a solution for this perplexing problem. Maybe portable privacy walls with suction cups we can attach between the urinals?

As the result of a right wing think tank's advice, a Pennsylvania school installed a surveillance window so conservatives could be righteously triggered by bathroom vs genital configuration issues.

Remember, it's not creepy if the reason for peeping on kids is to hate on them!

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/gender-inclusive-bathroom-window-pennsylvania-middle-school-rcna173917

[airdvr 210]

1 hour ago, normiss said:

Wow. Such kind consideration for your fellow humans.

I guess I'm not good at defining my meaning.  In my mind sick fuck = pedophile. I know the chances are rare but never zero.

[billvon 2,989]

10 minutes ago, airdvr said:

In my mind sick fuck = pedophile. I know the chances are rare but never zero.

I agree that those people are sick fucks.  But from what I can see, there are a lot more risk of that from straight people than trans people.

Mark Foley - propositioned teen Congressional aides, forced to resign
Joel Greenberg - sentenced for sex trafficking of underage girls
Ghislaine Maxwell - sentenced for sex trafficking of underage girls
Denny Hastert - sexually abused underage boys
Jim Jordan - supplied underage boys for Richard Strauss to abuse, then kept allegations quiet
Donald Trump - bragged about peeping on underage girls
Roy Moore - cruised local malls when he was in his 40's to hit on 14 and 16 year old girls
Matt Gaetz - under investigation for pedophilia and sex trafficking; quit government to dodge the investigation

So if your goal is to defend kids, spending your time targeting trans people will result in you missing the actual criminals and enablers.