More Sacrifices to the First Amendment

[billvon 2,989]

14 hours ago, airdvr said:

Do you have daughters?

I don't - I have sons.

But let's assume you have daughters.  Sounds like your argument is "I'm not going to let some sick trans person - who is not really a pedophile but is similarly twisted - into the bathroom with my daughter!  Because that woman is really a MAN who could harm her!"

The part you overlook is if you go with "bathroom has to match your birth sex" to "protect" your daughter, you are requiring this guy to follow your innocent, fragile daughter into the bathroom.  You really want that?

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

6 hours ago, wmw999 said:

It’s also never zero whenever he allows her to step outside the house, especially in a city (or any place with lots of man-oriented jobs, like oilfields and places with lots of construction). The way to absolutely protect your daughter is never to let her leave the house, and maybe make her wear lots of clothing when she does.

You can also teach her to advocate for herself, and to protect herself. Learn her surroundings, and know where she’s going. Instead of being in charge of her protection forever, give her the tools to protect herself. She can use those for a lifetime, and rely on herself, rather than a series of men whose motives she’s always going to question if she’s always “needed protection.”

You can’t control men — that doesn’t make it OK to control women. And it doesn’t make it reasonable to trample all over one person’s feelings to protect your own. I think you said your daughter went into the military. She’s far more vulnerable there to assault than in a ladies’s room with a transgender person. Look at the numbers  

Wendy P  

 

 

Hi Wendy,

Re:  The way to absolutely protect your daughter is never to let her leave the house

That reminds me of a conversation I had at lunch with some guys in Alsip, IL back about 1990.

One guy, who had two daughters about 6 and 4, was concerned about them as they would grow up.  Since I had one daughter, we got to talking about it. He was a catholic and said, somewhat jokingly,  that the answer was to put them into a convent until they were 30.

There is no perfect solution.

Jerry Baumchen

[airdvr 210]

7 hours ago, tkhayes said:

Not actually relevant. I have women in my life. I have nieces that I care about. Go ahead… Don’t answer the questions, don’t explain your rationale, don’t explain your fears, don’t justify your fears, just continue your status quo of being filled with fucking hate for people who will happen to be different than you

Funny how you assume I’m filled with hate. The only ones in this convo I said I hated was a potential pedo who might dress as a trans for the purposes of molesting a child. 

[billvon 2,989]

24 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Funny how you assume I’m filled with hate.

The regular personal attacks you make would be a suggestion that you have a little more hate than average.

[airdvr 210]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

The regular personal attacks you make would be a suggestion that you have a little more hate than average.

I guess you’re going to have to point out my PAs. I wasn’t aware

[tkhayes 348]

11 hours ago, airdvr said:

Funny how you assume I’m filled with hate. The only ones in this convo I said I hated was a potential pedo who might dress as a trans for the purposes of molesting a child. 

Well until you answer the questions I asked and explain or justify your position, yeah.... you are filled with hate, as I cannot seem to see any other explanation.  Given that you keep flipping from 'sick fuck' to 'pedo' and keep using the terms in conjunction with 'trans'.  Pretty hateful comments when you combine a segment of society with the illusion that it MUST be connected with pedophilia.  That is hate.

But hey, at least you said 'molesting a child'.  Now explain how that happens, walk us through the scenario that you envision, because MANY people here have given plenty of examples of how that almost never happens (at least we have yet to find an example of it), and there are literally THOUSANDS of other scenarios based in real data where you daughter is a much greater risk for being molested out there.... (i.e. catholic priests) and none of them involve 'temporary trans people dressed as women for the purpose of molesting girls'

Yet you ONLY focus on 'sick fuck pedos who happen to be trans'...... yeah that is called hate.

[airdvr 210]

I never associated trans with pedo. What I said was a sick fuck pedo male who could pose as trans to gain access. 
 

My concern is only a gut feeling. I know there are hundreds of scenarios mostly involving people known to the victim.  
 

And, I don’t hate trans people. I don’t understand them. To me it’s almost akin to a mental illness. I tend to avoid the mentally ill. 

Edited December 12, 2024 by airdvr

[BIGUN 1,296]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

I never associated trans with pedo. What I said was a sick fuck pedo male who could pose as trans to gain access. 
My concern is only a gut feeling. I know there are hundreds of scenarios mostly involving people known to the victim.  
And, I don’t hate trans people. I don’t understand them. To me it’s almost akin to a mental illness. I tend to avoid the mentally ill. 

Brother, that's quite a leap. "Sick fuck pedo's" will pose as anything to gain access. Nor, are they just male. I don't understand the trans/cross dressing thing, but I also know my framework lies in the constituion - the right to pursue happiness. If they wanna do it and it's not hurting anyone - how is that my business. 

[wmw999 2,439]

Bigun said it better

Wendy P. 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Brother, that's quite a leap. "Sick fuck pedo's" will pose as anything to gain access. Nor, are they just male. I don't understand the trans/cross dressing thing, but I also know my framework lies in the constituion - the right to pursue happiness. If they wanna do it and it's not hurting anyone - how is that my business. 

You know what, we are often on opposite ends, but I appreciate the humanity you bring to the table, which tends to be missing these days.

[billvon 2,989]

 

5 hours ago, airdvr said:

My concern is only a gut feeling.

Nothing wrong with a gut feeling.  If you have a gut feeling that house A is going to be better than house B even though both are the same price, then by all means go with house A.  You'll probably be happier in the long run.

But if your gut feeling affects other people, it has to be tempered by reality.  For decades - even centuries - most Americans had gut feelings that turned out to be completely wrong.  Black people could not handle freedom.  Women did not have the temperment to vote or own property.   Gay people were all pedophiles who have to be kept away from kids.  Those gut feelings did a huge amount of damage to this country.

[gowlerk 2,190]

The original gut feeling is “you are not of my tribe so it would be best if I killed you”. We are still working to move past that.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

On 12/12/2024 at 2:19 AM, airdvr said:

My concern is only a gut feeling.

Sorry to inform you in a public forum but that is what prejudice is. That is what misogyny is. That is what bigotry is. If you are cool with your legacy here being that, fine by me. But there is still time to recognize those truths and say you get it and want to change.

[billeisele 130]

Complicated topic with plenty of emotion, and opinions and beliefs on social norms, phobias, mental condition, bias, prejudices, personal beliefs, personal comfort and security, and more.

Should a person be able to go to a private space and know that anyone else in there is of the same biological sex? Do their feelings matter?

One solution would be to have three spaces: guys, girls and unisex. Everyone could make their choice and everyone is comfortable. Maybe that's too simple.

[jakee 1,489]

On 12/11/2024 at 11:10 PM, airdvr said:

Funny how you assume I’m filled with hate. The only ones in this convo I said I hated was a potential pedo who might dress as a trans for the purposes of molesting a child. 

Oh ok, so they’re abnormal, unnatural, mentally ill, and you specifically worry about them that any one could be a pedo in disguise… but you don’t hate them. 
 

Glad we cleared that up. 

[billvon 2,989]

4 hours ago, billeisele said:

Should a person be able to go to a private space and know that anyone else in there is of the same biological sex? Do their feelings matter?

I'd say 1) their feelings matter to them 2) they can go wherever they like but 3) they do not have any inherent RIGHT to that.

Should a person be able to go to a private space and know that anyone else in there is of the same race?  Do their feelings matter?

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One solution would be to have three spaces: guys, girls and unisex. Everyone could make their choice and everyone is comfortable. Maybe that's too simple.

Yep, and you'd offend conservatives if you tried that.  A school in Pennsylvania, following guidance from the "Independence Law Center," a pro-Christian law firm that the school recently contracted, put in a unisex bathroom - and then put a window in it so teachers and other students could watch what went on inside the bathroom.  This was clearly done to discourage kids from using that bathroom.  Needless to say there were no windows installed in the regular boys/girls rooms.

Should a person be able to go to the bathroom without having everyone watching them?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

I'd say 1) their feelings matter to them 2) they can go wherever they like but 3) they do not have any inherent RIGHT to that.

Should a person be able to go to a private space and know that anyone else in there is of the same race?  Do their feelings matter?

Yep, and you'd offend conservatives if you tried that.  A school in Pennsylvania, following guidance from the "Independence Law Center," a pro-Christian law firm that the school recently contracted, put in a unisex bathroom - and then put a window in it so teachers and other students could watch what went on inside the bathroom.  This was clearly done to discourage kids from using that bathroom.  Needless to say there were no windows installed in the regular boys/girls rooms.

Should a person be able to go to the bathroom without having everyone watching them?

How do we all not simply advance to the obvious: this is all manufactured bullshit not worth our time as a society. Let's get on with making bathrooms with stalls only and with sinks outside or separate while at the same time looking at remodels of existing public bathrooms. Also, just to move things along, so to speak, and keep the hanky panky to a minimum let's install automatic door openers on all stall doors set to go off with a buzzer after 5 minutes. 

[tkhayes 348]

Yet another school shooting right before Christmas. I wonder what the excuses will be this time? https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/multiple-injuries-reported-in-a-school-shooting-in-madison-wisconsin-police/3625403/

[billvon 2,989]

2 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

Yet another school shooting right before Christmas.

At the Abundant Life Christian School, of all places.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

54 minutes ago, billvon said:

At the Abundant Life Christian School, of all places.

God must have decided life was indeed a little too abundant.