EV trip in the real world

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, billvon said:

I'm thinking the guy in the Stop n Shop making minimum wage for sitting behind a counter for eight hours.

Now that bribery is legal or do condone an employee selling what is not his to the highest bidder?

[billvon 2,991]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Now that bribery is legal or do condone an employee selling what is not his to the highest bidder?

Well that's up to him, of course.  He can always say no.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, billvon said:

Well that's up to him, of course.  He can always say no.

Maybe that ought to be in the EV brochures. 

[brenthutch 444]

49 minutes ago, billvon said:

I'm thinking the guy in the Stop n Shop making minimum wage for sitting behind a counter for eight hours.

And the next guy and the next guy and the next guy….after three days you will have met the entire staff 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 7/6/2024 at 2:57 AM, BIGUN said:

At some point, someone is going to figure out a way to place a solar array on top of an EV. That combined with some type of generator from the wheels and have some form of power bank in the trunk that gives one very extended mileage. Kind of an Anker 767 for EVs thing. 

My neighbour has a 2012 Fisker Karma with a solar panel roof.

[normiss 800]

3 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

My neighbour has a 2012 Fisker Karma with a solar panel roof.

Fisker is Tango Uniform. 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

And the next guy and the next guy and the next guy….after three days you will have met the entire staff 

That’s funny 

[SethInMI 174]

20 hours ago, olofscience said:

US power sockets are pretty anaemic. Most of the world is on 220-240V and take nowhere that long.

TIL. I always assumed that 220v residential used lighter gauge wire to save on cost, but after 5 min of googling I see that is not the case for Europe at least. The standard is 2.5mm2, which is between 14GA and 12GA, the two common US wire sizes. The Tesla Universal Charger in EU has 13A max for the residential power plug (vs 12A in the US) which means you will charge ~2x as fast, which is actually a big deal. 8 miles an hour vs 4 miles an hour.  8 could work for home charging if bringing a new line to the garage was too expensive. 

[BIGUN 1,314]

1 hour ago, SethInMI said:

8 could work for home charging if bringing a new line to the garage was too expensive. 

If bringing in a new line is too expensive; one may wish to reconsider their Tesla purchase.  

[normiss 800]

1 hour ago, SethInMI said:

TIL. I always assumed that 220v residential used lighter gauge wire to save on cost, but after 5 min of googling I see that is not the case for Europe at least. The standard is 2.5mm2, which is between 14GA and 12GA, the two common US wire sizes. The Tesla Universal Charger in EU has 13A max for the residential power plug (vs 12A in the US) which means you will charge ~2x as fast, which is actually a big deal. 8 miles an hour vs 4 miles an hour.  8 could work for home charging if bringing a new line to the garage was too expensive. 

Given that most homes have the breaker panel IN the garage, you're hiring the wrong electricians.

That's a very inexpensive add.

[gowlerk 2,192]

4 minutes ago, normiss said:

Given that most homes have the breaker panel IN the garage, you're hiring the wrong electricians.

That's a very inexpensive add.

Maybe where you live. In my part of the world the service entrance and main come overhead to a mast on the highest part of the house and go through a conduit to a panel often in a basement. I guess you may be used to attached garages and service lines underground.

[ryoder 1,590]

20 minutes ago, normiss said:

Given that most homes have the breaker panel IN the garage, you're hiring the wrong electricians.

That's a very inexpensive add.

I wish. My damned breaker box is hanging on the outside of the house at the opposite corner from the garage.

[normiss 800]

57 minutes ago, ryoder said:

I wish. My damned breaker box is hanging on the outside of the house at the opposite corner from the garage.

I added a 50amp for the RV pad at the house in Florida - I don't think I spent $60 . Sure was nice to have the fifth wheel ready for hurricane season or getting it ready for a trip.

[billvon 2,991]

1 hour ago, ryoder said:

I wish. My damned breaker box is hanging on the outside of the house at the opposite corner from the garage.

There are a lot of other options.

Dryer outlets work well and can get you between 5800 and 10,000 watts.  The sort of extension cord adapter called a "quick 240" will get you 3000 watts.  And it's often very easy to add an outlet right at the load center, then run an extension to where you need it.

Years ago I had one of the first Leafs (short range) and I'd carry a spare breaker and extension cord.  When I was visiting friends I knew, I'd just pop the breaker in their panel for an hour, charge, then take it out.  That was sort of a pain in the butt actually, but it worked.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, billvon said:

There are a lot of other options.

Dryer outlets work well and can get you between 5800 and 10,000 watts.  The sort of extension cord adapter called a "quick 240" will get you 3000 watts.  And it's often very easy to add an outlet right at the load center, then run an extension to where you need it.

Years ago I had one of the first Leafs (short range) and I'd carry a spare breaker and extension cord.  When I was visiting friends I knew, I'd just pop the breaker in their panel for an hour, charge, then take it out.  That was sort of a pain in the butt actually, but it worked.

And your friends paid for your fuel, too. A real win-win. Of course nowadays all a guy needs to do is bribe a 7-11 clerk.

[billvon 2,991]

18 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

And your friends paid for your fuel, too. A real win-win. Of course nowadays all a guy needs to do is bribe a 7-11 clerk.

xactly.  Heck, gas car drivers bribe the same guy all the time.

[brenthutch 444]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

xactly.  Heck, gas car drivers bribe the same guy all the time.

 

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

And your friends paid for your fuel, too. A real win-win. Of course nowadays all a guy needs to do is bribe a 7-11 clerk.

Isn’t that theft?

[normiss 800]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

And your friends paid for your fuel, too. A real win-win. Of course nowadays all a guy needs to do is bribe a 7-11 clerk.

You don't reward the people you visit for their hospitality?

Do you even have friends that are willing to open their homes to hosting you???

We ALWAYS return favors in some fashion.

It's what nice considerate people do.

 

Hey Oren! We STILL owe you a dinner.  

[okalb 104]

22 minutes ago, normiss said:

Hey Oren! We STILL owe you a dinner.  

If Trump wins in Nov, it will be a very long time before I step foot in the US again. The only thing that will count as being in the US, is when I have to go to the embassy to renew my passport.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, normiss said:

You don't reward the people you visit for their hospitality?

Do you even have friends that are willing to open their homes to hosting you???

We ALWAYS return favors in some fashion.

It's what nice considerate people do.

 

Hey Oren! We STILL owe you a dinner.  

Absolutely. Call me old fashioned but I continue to draw the line at my employees selling my stuff on the side or giving off the record discounts without permission. That is theft. Now I'll need to go back to see who was working when Bill was jumping.

[airdvr 210]

As I've said before there are plusses and minuses to both and a market for both.  Where I have a problem is being forced to own an EV.  That day is coming

[wmw999 2,447]

18 minutes ago, airdvr said:

As I've said before there are plusses and minuses to both and a market for both.  Where I have a problem is being forced to own an EV.  That day is coming

Not for a long time, if ever. There are still cars that use leaded gas, and I passed several Amish farms this afternoon (driving back from Ontario), where they were using horses and buggies.

In a number of years, there may no longer be as wide a variety of gasoline cars, that’s it 

Wendy P. 

[normiss 800]

40 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Not for a long time, if ever. There are still cars that use leaded gas, and I passed several Amish farms this afternoon (driving back from Ontario), where they were using horses and buggies.

In a number of years, there may no longer be as wide a variety of gasoline cars, that’s it 

Wendy P. 

Those Mennonites in their black cars though?

[billvon 2,991]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

As I've said before there are plusses and minuses to both and a market for both.  Where I have a problem is being forced to own an EV.  That day is coming

I'll bet you $200 that you will not be forced to own an EV within your lifetime.  (And I can't even collect, so you can only win!)

[airdvr 210]

14 minutes ago, billvon said:

I'll bet you $200 that you will not be forced to own an EV within your lifetime.  (And I can't even collect, so you can only win!)

I hope you're right.  Is see CA at the forefront of pushing people to EVs.  

California – In 2022, California approved a rule requiring 100% of new light- and medium-duty vehicles sold in the state to be zero-emission by 2035.
 

Delaware – In late 2023, Delaware finalized its clean car regulations. In 2027, 43% of new cars and trucks sold in Delaware will be electric or hybrid models. This percentage will increase to 82% in 2032, and the rule will expire the following year.

Illinois – By 2035, auto manufacturers must sell 100% new ZEVs. All vehicles purchased and leased by a governmental unit after January 1, 2025, must be zero-emission or converted to zero emissions.

Shall I continue?