LawnDart21 0 #26 January 19, 2006 QuoteYes, agreed, 100%, no arguement, but the point of another thread, not the point of this one. Thats all I was saying Your low pull was a direct result of your coach/dzo placing you in an overwhelming skydive, very much to the point of the thread I would think. -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azureriders 0 #27 January 19, 2006 The more you talk the more I begin to understand your signature line Man, whoa, sorry about that, it was just way to good to pass up. No, seriously, I do really agree with you, but I am still the type to take responsiblity for my actions and I will not blame anyone else when I do something that they have taught me better than doing. Let us agree to disagree, because I can agree that you have a good point and it may also be the point of others, but I can not let it be my point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawnDart21 0 #28 January 19, 2006 QuoteThe more you talk the more I begin to understand your signature line Giving you clear/consise examples of where the real breaddown occured in your low pull makes me an idiot? Hmm, I can't wait to see what your posting on here when you have 100 jumps. You made a mistake, sure, but your a student, your supposed to make mistakes and coaches (and other rating holders) are supposed to catch the mistakes, not contribute to them. If you read back over all my posts in this thread (a waste of my time apparently) they have all been nonjudgemental and to the point. Your just so gungho on taking responisibility, yet you dont even understand what your trying to take responsibility for. -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #29 January 19, 2006 QuoteI do remember from my coach course that the course evaluator told us that anyone not licensed yet can only jump with coaches and instructors BSR 6.a and b can be waived by the S&TA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azureriders 0 #30 January 19, 2006 Quote(a waste of my time apparently) Not at all, read back over mine and you will find that I agree with you 100%, and thank you for your input, I mean that. I still take responsibility for my actions, as well as go to any extreme necessary to understand them. I guess I am just the type that thinks he should step up to the responsiblility, and IMO so should the coach feel like it is his fault, and the DZO should feel like it is his. I can assure you both did and were less than happy about it. My point that this was not the point of this thread is that I am not going to set them up to have a finger pointed at them. Since I posted this, I would 'like' the fingers pointed at me, so that I can learn what 'I' can do to be better prepaired in the future. Please take the idiot joke as just that, a joke. No, you were not out of line at any point (I think I said that already), but that is still not the point of this thread. I posted it and my point goes sometihng like this:QuoteIf you read back over all my posts in this thread (a waste of my time apparently) they have all been nonjudgemental and to the point. Your just so gungho on taking responisibility, yet you dont even understand what your trying to take responsibility forExactly, now point your finger at me so that I may better understand. I know they screwed up, but there is nothing I can do to fix that. I also know that I screwed up, and I thought that by posting this I would get some feedback(which I did) on how to fix my end of it. I guess the topic should have read "three mistakes made, lets focus on mine" And again, thank you very much for your input. You seem very insightful and I would like to hear your response to my actions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #31 January 20, 2006 QuoteMy head goes back as soon as I feel line stretch to watch the opening and look for problems as I know I am nearing the hard deck, oh shit again, LINE TWIST. I quickly (probably to quick as I have been told) grabbed the rears and had the, two and half at most, line twist cleared almost instantly. My eyes left the canopy and in one motion made a check for traffic and to my altimeter. The needle had just passed 2000. Lessoned learned: ? Lessons in skydiving... Hmmmm. What is the ultra important lesson you have overlooked here? Many have been pointed out already but I would like to expand on one particular point if I may. Check it out: “watch the opening and look for problems as I know I am NEARING THE HARD DECK, oh shit again, LINE TWIST. I quickly (probably to quick as I have been told) grabbed the rears and had the, two and half at most, line twist cleared almost instantly. My eyes left the canopy and in one motion made a check for traffic and to my altimeter. The needle had just passed 2000.” In this statement lies a problem with your understanding of dealing with a partial malfunction that is potentially fixable. What is your hard deck (decision altitude)? 2500 feet by USPA standards. When beginning to deal with potentially fixable partial malfunction what is the most important thing you need to be aware of? Here is a hint – the last thing you did according to your statement was to check your altitude. You already had an unusual extraction of the pilot chute which devoured altitude, now you have line twists to add to the circumstance so perhaps checking your altitude before attempting to deal with your line twists might have been more advantageous than attempting to correct the line twists as a higher priority. Skydivers have been killed because they did not have altitude awareness when dealing with an unusual situation. While dealing with a partial malfunction, altitude awareness is absolutely essential. When adrenaline levels are high and temporal distortion occurs, it is easy to lose track of altitude. Altitude Awareness is a top priority. Basic rule of thumb is this – High speed partial malfunction, initiate emergency procedures for a partial malfunction immediately. Low speed partial malfunction that you believe can be corrected, check your altitude first and monitor it while you are dealing with the situation. If you would have checked you altitude before attempting to correct your line twists I believe you would have realized that you were at or below your decision altitude already. Everything worked out for you this time, but imagine that you were 500 feet lower and started dealing with the line twists and they were stubborn and you could not get out of them as easily and by the time you checked your altitude you were already below 900 feet? (I use 900 feet because 2 skydivers died this past year from cutting away from this altitude.) Just something to consider…Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azureriders 0 #32 January 21, 2006 Good point. On the few times that I have had line twist I have looked at my altimeter while spreading the rear risers. I did not do this, this time. Maybe not the perfect of proper mind set, but in my mind I had already crossed my descision altitude. As the PC left my hand, the next thing in my head was that I was low and if this thing was not right I had to get rid of it instantly. Then I saw the line twist that were the most minor ones that I have had and they cleared almost instantly. As I was taught, when dealing with line twist, by your desicion altitude you should be sure they will clear by a safe altitude. At no point did I believe that these would not clear, but who am I to know when they might be stuburn. I had a plan and it worked out, but I see your point for sure. Lower than I thought could have meant no time, just chop. Now you have me thinking. Move the whole thing down by several hundred feet. Now I think I am low enough that I must chop line twist instantly buy actually I am TOO low to cut away at all. Thanks for the input, that is what I wanted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #33 January 21, 2006 Don’t OVER THINK... Keep it simple. Skydiving and EPs are not complicated, people make it complicated but why would you want to complicate something so simple when so much is at stake? My first reserve ride was a very similar situation, I thought the line twists would come right out but I did not have the experience to really be sure, I fought it too long and too low – finally cut away and fearing my low altitude I deployed my reserve so quickly it almost appeared to be a canopy transfer. What did I get for my ineptitude (lack of proper training + lack of humility)? Line twists on my reserve. During all this was I altitude aware? Nope... We learn from our mistakes, then we share them wit others so maybe the mistakes wont have to be repeated too many times. Once again, Keep It Simple..Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azureriders 0 #34 January 21, 2006 While i was watching the canopy deploy over my head, which was not streamering or anything crazy, just line twist, instead of grabing the risers so quickly and taking the chance of being wraped up in them, I had time right then to check altitude. That is pretty simpe and obviously smart. Thanks again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #35 January 21, 2006 in reply to "From Section 2-1: Basic Safety Requirements and Waivers Part E. Student skydivers 1. General [E] a. All student training programs must be conducted under the direction and oversight of an appropriately rated USPA Instructor until the student is issued a USPA A license. b. A person conducting, training, or supervising student jumps must hold a USPA instructional rating according to the requirements….. 6. Students training for group freefall a. All student freefall training for group freefall jumps must be conducted by a USPA Coach under the supervision of a USPA Instructor. b. All students engaging in group freefall jumps must be accompanied by a USPA Coach until the student has obtained a USPA A license. ................................. Does this mean that by these rules a person with 23 jumps could participate in say a 100 way if he was accompanied by a rated coach? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
