What will be the Result of a Trump Win After Jan 20th

[Phil1111 1,149]

Of course the US will survive. Of course anything Trump does can be somewhat undone given 2-4 terms. But IMO:

Trump will most likely file to withdraw from NATO. But NATO will survive and its remaining members will continue to support Ukraine.

Trump will turn the UN into a tool for the religious right and to benefit Putin.

The US department of justice will become a giant sh*tshow. As the GOP weaponizes it it will attempt to attack anyone that they perceive to be an "enemy". Although they will have limited success it will cost the department its best and brightest talent. The GOP will appoint so many judges to the bench that it will change everything for the worse for decades. Aileen Cannon only younger, on steroids working for Jebus and the right is the model.The FBI will largely be dismantled.

The education department will be gutted and massive privatization will be attempted.

Huge tax cuts will dismantle most American social programs and cause the deficit to skyrocket. Inflation will skyrocket and the response will be massive import tariffs.

 

Edited July 12, 2024 by Phil1111

[Stumpy 284]

The US will also be a laughing stock internationally. Biden repaired that somewhat after Trump's first term, but Trumps "strongman" act just makes him look ridiculous.

[BIGUN 1,317]

 

[Phil1111 1,149]

23 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

 

I was thinking of "XXX: Anarchy 99"

"It's what we've been living since 1999 when we left the army of Mother Russia. Many of our comrades died in combat and we said: "To hell with this shit!" They died for what? Politics! Whose politics? Not ours! So we decided from now on to do what we want when we want! It's in their honor we call ourselves Anarchy 99."

[normiss 801]

The Secretary of Retribution has about 350 people on the list, so far.

The list includes numerous Democratic and Republican elected officials; FBI and intelligence officials; members of the House Select January 6 Committee; U.S. Capitol Police officers and civilian employees; witnesses in Trump’s two impeachment trials and the Jan. 6 committee hearings; and journalists from publications ranging from CNN and the Washington Post to Reuters and Raw Story — all considered political enemies of Trump.

I HAVE to have faith in Americans. We've defeated Trump twice - besides the Electoral College appointing him President. I think we can do it again. We must.

Edited July 12, 2024 by normiss

[Phil1111 1,149]

9 minutes ago, normiss said:

The Secretary of Retribution has about 350 people on the list, so far.

The list includes numerous Democratic and Republican elected officials; FBI and intelligence officials; members of the House Select January 6 Committee; U.S. Capitol Police officers and civilian employees; witnesses in Trump’s two impeachment trials and the Jan. 6 committee hearings; and journalists from publications ranging from CNN and the Washington Post to Reuters and Raw Story — all considered political enemies of Trump.

I HAVE to have faith in Americans. We've defeated Trump twice - besides the Electoral College appointing him President. I think we can do it again. We have must.

As long as they don't target the regulars in SC it could be OK.

I understand your two disparate positions below and feel for you.

11 minutes ago, normiss said:

....I HAVE to have faith in Americans. We've defeated Trump twice - besides the Electoral College appointing him President. I think we can do it again. We have must.

11 hours ago, normiss said:

...Amazing how ignorant America has become. When did we stop teaching world history?

[JerryBaumchen 1,364]

4 hours ago, normiss said:

The Secretary of Retribution has about 350 people on the list, so far.

The list includes numerous Democratic and Republican elected officials; FBI and intelligence officials; members of the House Select January 6 Committee; U.S. Capitol Police officers and civilian employees; witnesses in Trump’s two impeachment trials and the Jan. 6 committee hearings; and journalists from publications ranging from CNN and the Washington Post to Reuters and Raw Story — all considered political enemies of Trump.

I HAVE to have faith in Americans. We've defeated Trump twice - besides the Electoral College appointing him President. I think we can do it again. We have must.

Hi Mark,

And, I do NOT think we can do it with Biden.

The polls are looking worse every day.

Also, more & more of the Congress Critters are going to abandon him.  They fear for their own offices.

IMO it is not too late for a new team on the ticket.

Jerry Baumchen

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Mark,

And, I do NOT think we can do it with Biden.

The polls are looking worse every day.

Also, more & more of the Congress Critters are going to abandon him.  They fear for their own offices.

IMO it is not too late for a new team on the ticket.

Jerry Baumchen

Jerry Baumchen

I also think there is still time. Seems to me that all Biden needs to do is say he's not accepting the nomination but will be serving out his term. The hard part is not throwing his support behind Harris but that has so many negative outcomes it's hard to count. I think he knows that and that is a big factor in his decision to stay in the race. So it seems to me the only real exit scheme is not seeking the nomination and throwing his support behind Harris. Are you good with that?

[JerryBaumchen 1,364]

21 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I also think there is still time. Seems to me that all Biden needs to do is say he's not accepting the nomination but will be serving out his term. The hard part is not throwing his support behind Harris but that has so many negative outcomes it's hard to count. I think he knows that and that is a big factor in his decision to stay in the race. So it seems to me the only real exit scheme is not seeking the nomination and throwing his support behind Harris. Are you good with that?

Hi Joe,

I would vote for you if I thought you could stop Trump.

As I just mentioned in another thread, I'm not a strong supporter of Harris.  But, it does seem as though the country likes her.

If she got the top spot & made a good, electable choice for her V-P, I now think that she could stop Trump.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

I would vote for you if I thought you could stop Trump.

As I just mentioned in another thread, I'm not a strong supporter of Harris.  But, it does seem as though the country likes her.

If she got the top spot & made a good, electable choice for her V-P, I now think that she could stop Trump.

Jerry Baumchen

And that choice would be? Not a list, someone you believe would take the VP slot and pull the support.

[JerryBaumchen 1,364]

35 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

And that choice would be? Not a list, someone you believe would take the VP slot and pull the support.

Hi Joe,

That is a tough one.  I would hope that her advisers would guide her in the right direction.

Others?????

I would think it might take a white, male; but, who knows.  Life is a crap shoot.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  IMO there a number of Dem politicians that might take a pass & see how it goes in 2028.  Of course, that risks Trump's V-P being someone who could carry the torch onward.

Edited July 12, 2024 by JerryBaumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

That is a tough one.  I would hope that her advisers would guide her in the right direction.

Others?????

I would think it might take a white, male; but, who knows.  Life is a crap shoot.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  IMO there a number of Dem politicians that might take a pass & see how it goes in 2028.  Of course, that risks Trump's V-P being someone who could carry the torch onward.

Jerry,

With great respect that is why I haven't been pulled fully into the Joe Must Go camp. No one, even the most fervent proponents, has been able to articulate who that might be and how it would happen. As I've said, Harris would need to bow out gracefully either by resigning as VP  (and be very publicly supportive to the point of insisting it was her idea) so Biden can fill the slot with a moderate white male from the rust belt like Sherrod Brown and then resign. But that ain't happening. Harris is a close as she's ever going to get and she will be not scorned and go quietly into the night.

Hence, bad as it is we need to stay with the date we brought to the party, seems to me.

Oh, also, I don't think I can get comfortable with this Joe Must Go stuff.

[JerryBaumchen 1,364]

1 minute ago, JoeWeber said:

Jerry,

With great respect that is why I haven't been pulled fully into the Joe Must Go camp. No one, even the most fervent proponents, has been able to articulate who that might be and how it would happen. As I've said, Harris would need to bow out gracefully either by resigning as VP  (and be very publicly supportive to the point of insisting it was her idea) so Biden can fill the slot with a moderate white male from the rust belt like Sherrod Brown and then resign. But that ain't happening. Harris is a close as she's ever going to get and she will be not scorned and go quietly into the night.

Hence, bad as it is we need to stay with the date we brought to the party, seems to me.

Oh, also, I don't think I can get comfortable with this Joe Must Go stuff.

Hi Joe,

Come Nov 5th, you can watch it happen.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  When you've got an airplane with an engine problem; do you keep flying IT, or do you fix it?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

Come Nov 5th, you can watch it happen.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  When you've got an airplane with an engine problem; do you keep flying IT, or do you fix it?

Well, I certainly don't just crash it because it might not get there.

[gowlerk 2,198]

I’m not sure why some people here think Harris can’t win. Biden did not win last time on a pro-Biden wave. He has never been terribly popular. He won as the anti-Trump. And he could do it again if he was not several years past his due date. Hell, Hilary even came close to beating Trump. Why do you think a D nominee must be popular to win? I see that she would just need to be not hated and be competent.

[nigel99 478]

4 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Jerry,

With great respect that is why I haven't been pulled fully into the Joe Must Go camp. No one, even the most fervent proponents, has been able to articulate who that might be and how it would happen. As I've said, Harris would need to bow out gracefully either by resigning as VP  (and be very publicly supportive to the point of insisting it was her idea) so Biden can fill the slot with a moderate white male from the rust belt like Sherrod Brown and then resign. But that ain't happening. Harris is a close as she's ever going to get and she will be not scorned and go quietly into the night.

Hence, bad as it is we need to stay with the date we brought to the party, seems to me.

Oh, also, I don't think I can get comfortable with this Joe Must Go stuff.

I don’t understand the US system. I don’t see any reason for Biden to resign the presidency as he is doing a good job. If he simply declined the nomination what is it that makes Harris an automatic contender? Is it simply good manners or are there rules that mean it should be her?

Not knowing much about her, it seems logical that she could be the nominee and she comes across as quite competent. I guess racism and sexism would undermine her chance of winning. 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, nigel99 said:

I guess racism and sexism would undermine her chance of winning. 

That's us(a) in a nutshell. He doesn't need to resign, just decline the nomination. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,364]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

That's us(a) in a nutshell. He doesn't need to resign, just decline the nomination. 

Hi Joe,

I do not see that happening; short of a stoke or something similar.

As of right now, I am thinking the only hope is a revolt at the DNC Convention.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  If Biden did have a serious medical problem, I would not discount Jill pulling an Edith Wilson cover-up.

 

Edited July 13, 2024 by JerryBaumchen

[headoverheels 333]

4 hours ago, gowlerk said:

I’m not sure why some people here think Harris can’t win. Biden did not win last time on a pro-Biden wave. He has never been terribly popular. He won as the anti-Trump. And he could do it again if he was not several years past his due date. Hell, Hilary even came close to beating Trump. Why do you think a D nominee must be popular to win? I see that she would just need to be not hated and be competent.

Biden won the primary, and that wasn't an anti-Trump.  He also won the general election.

Harris has an excellent background and resume, much better qualified than the previous VP, but she has failed to distinguish herself while in office.   I don't see any reason that she should be considered the default or even leading candidate, should Biden drop out.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

I’m not sure why some people here think Harris can’t win. Biden did not win last time on a pro-Biden wave. He has never been terribly popular. He won as the anti-Trump. And he could do it again if he was not several years past his due date. Hell, Hilary even came close to beating Trump. Why do you think a D nominee must be popular to win? I see that she would just need to be not hated and be competent.

You are right so I bumped you to 2 thousand likes as a reward. I'm going to recogitate my opinion on the matter. 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

I do not see that happening; short of a stoke or something similar.

As of right now, I am thinking the only hope is a revolt at the DNC Convention.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  If Biden did have a serious medical problem, I would not discount Jill pulling an Edith Wilson cover-up.

 

Biden killed it in Detroit. In front of a crowd, like Trump, he's awesome. Watch it all including the women, and yes they were mostly black women hugging him on stage. The chattering class will do their thing and our mercenary elected officials will do the same, self interest being what it is. Jerry, brother, it's time to accept reality: absent the media's current focus on Biden's gaffs, which will never end, he's a good candidate and all of the negative stuff only helps Trump.

[BIGUN 1,317]

10 hours ago, nigel99 said:

I guess racism and sexism would undermine her chance of winning. 

In part. She doesn't poll well among young progressives which will cause the DNC concern. In her favor - if the DNC takes her off the ticket and doesn't replace her with another of color; they will simply not vote.   

[BIGUN 1,317]

4 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Biden killed it in Detroit.

Agreed. I think had that Joe Biden been at the debate and hit on those key points, he would have fared much better. 

[Phil1111 1,149]

Biden has had fewer press conferences than most any president in recent history. His staff and his age had kept him hidden away over the last 31/2 years. His VP could have been out hammering Trump and praising the many accomplishments of Biden. But presidents don't like to be overshadowed by their running mates.

Biden could have done the same thing subsequent to the debate. A campaign stop and open question period every day. It would have buried the microscope that remains focused on him. Frankly he doesn't have the physical stamina to do that anymore. Jill, his staff and democrats in the inner circle know that so they will continue to protect him. Continue to keep him hidden away to conserve his energy until the cameras and press are about.

So right up until election everything he says and does will be examined in the finest detail. Giving Trump a free pass to lie, pander to his base and dream about Jan 20th.

[BIGUN 1,317]

15 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Giving Trump a free pass to lie, pander to his base and dream about Jan 20th.

Morning, Phil. here's my thing - I don't see his base growing, but a base that is dwindling - so as those numbers edge out, they will fall into two camps, 1) like me, not willing to vote against, so no vote, or 2) a few edging over to Biden - against Trump.