Election Violence

[normiss 851]

1 hour ago, RonD1120 said:

C'mon Bill, that's a lame response. The kid was only 20 YO, way too young to have political ideolgies. He was just crazy. I'll admit my post was premature.

Beyond belief what some people will justify.

[JoeWeber 2,823]

1 hour ago, RonD1120 said:

C'mon Bill, that's a lame response. The kid was only 20 YO, way too young to have political ideolgies. He was just crazy. I'll admit my post was premature.

And how old were you when you were given permission to kill communists?

[JerryBaumchen 1,436]

1 hour ago, headoverheels said:

The 26th Amendment, signed by Nixon in 1971, lowered the voting age to 18 for all elections in the US.  Some states already had that age.  e.g., Georgia since 1943.

Hi Heels,

My apologies to Reagan.

Time to get my memory checked, I guess.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Thanks for the correction.

[billvon 3,070]

7 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

The kid was only 20 YO, way too young to have political ideolgies. He was just crazy. I'll admit my post was premature.

But expected.

When you thought it was a liberal your take was "liberal democrats are afraid - very afraid."  You took one (presumed) democratic shooter and painted all "liberal democrats" with the same brush.

But it turned out to be a registered republican.  And suddenly the approach was "he's too young to have political ideologies"  "can't paint all conservatives with the same brush"  "just plain crazy, can't draw any conclusions from that."  (Airdvr took a slightly different approach, trying to claim that he was really a democrat all along.)

If your takeaway from this is that you should apply the same criteria to both parties, then great.

[nigel99 568]

50 minutes ago, billvon said:

But expected.

When you thought it was a liberal your take was "liberal democrats are afraid - very afraid." …

If your takeaway from this is that you should apply the same criteria to both parties, then great.

Cognitive dissonance happens when you hold two contradictory beliefs and this creates uncomfortable feelings. As a result you either rationalise your  views to reduce the discomfort, or change your beliefs. 

Changing beliefs requires you to acknowledge the conflicting beliefs and discomfort, critically evaluate the beliefs, be open minded  and willing to change. Sadly deeply religious people seldom have these traits. In fact most religions and cults actively discourage critical thinking and punish it. 
 

In short, I wouldn’t hold out much hope of any change.

[ryoder 1,590]

This is interesting. Some guy named Brandon Herrera did what could best be described as a Mythbusters-style recreation of the assassination attempt. It was complete with a ballistic gel molded bust, and high speed cameras. He shows a replica of the gun the shooter used, which had a sight with no magnification at all, and it looks like it was damned near impossible to get serious accuracy with it at that range.

Some background on Herrera:

https://ballotpedia.org/Brandon_Herrera

Edited July 27, 2024 by ryoder

[wmw999 2,534]

What, a 20-year-old guy failed to plan and prepare adequately? I’m SHOCKED! And he got lucky with how close it came? Equally shocked.

They're the masters of “what could possibly go wrong?”

Wendy P. 

[RonD1120 62]

On 7/25/2024 at 11:09 PM, billvon said:

But expected.

When you thought it was a liberal your take was "liberal democrats are afraid - very afraid."  You took one (presumed) democratic shooter and painted all "liberal democrats" with the same brush.

But it turned out to be a registered republican.  And suddenly the approach was "he's too young to have political ideologies"  "can't paint all conservatives with the same brush"  "just plain crazy, can't draw any conclusions from that."  (Airdvr took a slightly different approach, trying to claim that he was really a democrat all along.)

If your takeaway from this is that you should apply the same criteria to both parties, then great.

I freely admit my original post was a knee jerk reaction since most shooters have been Democrats. Oh wait, I don't know what I am talking about.

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19 hours ago, ryoder said:

and it looks like it was damned near impossible to get serious accuracy with it at that range.

Guess again, I shot the National Rifle course with that same weapon, at 500 yards I could put 10 shots into an area a little larger than the top of a coffee can.

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9 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

Guess again, I shot the National Rifle course with that same weapon, at 500 yards I could put 10 shots into an area a little larger than the top of a coffee can.

130 meters is point blank (which means correcting elevation for distance is unnecessary).  Anyone who earned Rifle Shooting Merit Badge can hit a tennis ball at that distance all day without trying.

For better or worse - depending on who you ask - this guy was an abysmal shot.

[JoeWeber 2,823]

10 minutes ago, winsor said:

130 meters is point blank (which means correcting elevation for distance is unnecessary).  Anyone who earned Rifle Shooting Merit Badge can hit a tennis ball at that distance all day without trying.

For better or worse - depending on who you ask - this guy was an abysmal shot.

Makes perfect sense. Shooting tennis balls for merit badges or coffee can lids for fun is way more stressful than shooting a former American President protected by a swarm of secret service agents and knowing that for sure there are snipers looking for just what you are planning. It was a point blank shot and the wind wasn't a factor. Unbelievably, in spite of perfect and Hindu like calm conditions he pulled his shots. What an abysmal shot he was.

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What an abysmal shot he was.

 

I don't think that was the case, I watched the re-runs repeatedly I believe that Trump moving to the side is what caused him to miss.

[JoeWeber 2,823]

7 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

What an abysmal shot he was.

 

I don't think that was the case, I watched the re-runs repeatedly I believe that Trump moving to the side is what caused him to miss.

You guy's are full of great information. Any news if he was equipped with the new Downtown Abbey easy pull trigger, the Nerf no recoil shoulder pad, or the latest Bausch & Lomb presidential special shooting glasses? 

Fun fact: a 5# coffee can lid is already a bit wider than a human face. You can bet the bastard was shaking worse than a drop zone owner showing his financials for a caravan loan.

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1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

You guy's are full of great information. Any news if he was equipped with the new Downtown Abbey easy pull trigger, the Nerf no recoil shoulder pad, or the latest Bausch & Lomb presidential special shooting glasses? 

Fun fact: a 5# coffee can lid is already a bit wider than a human face. You can bet the bastard was shaking worse than a drop zone owner showing his financials for a caravan loan.

5 inches is what I am referring to that easily fits into a face.  X ring.

 

What I am trying to get across is that this was a pretty common occurrence among the shooters and it does not take much practice to achieve.  the Trump shooter could very well have been a decent marksman but circumstances prevented his act from being achieved.

Edited July 27, 2024 by SCS422

[JoeWeber 2,823]

23 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

5 inches is what I am referring to that easily fits into a face.  X ring.

 

What I am trying to get across is that this was a pretty common occurrence among the shooters and it does not take much practice to achieve.  the Trump shooter could very well have been a decent marksman but circumstances prevented his act from being achieved.

But he wasn't. My understanding is that he sucked so bad that he couldn't even get in the basic shooting class.

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3 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

But he wasn't. My understanding is that he sucked so bad that he couldn't even get in the basic shooting class.

And this information is from where?

[JoeWeber 2,823]

27 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

And this information is from where?

Rumor control. Knee jerk liberal Chicago news and a couple of kids looking for fame talking to Pittsburg NPR. 

[gowlerk 2,249]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

What an abysmal shot he was.

Sounds to me like he just made the mistake of going for a head shot and Trump had the good fortune to turn at a critical moment.

[Phil1111 1,149]

Just now, gowlerk said:

Sounds to me like he just made the mistake of going for a head shot and Trump had the good fortune to turn at a critical moment.

Perhaps Trump's head is proportioned like his hands?

[gowlerk 2,249]

Just now, Phil1111 said:

Perhaps Trump's head is proportioned like his hands?

I would say he practically defines “big headed”.

[JerryBaumchen 1,436]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Sounds to me like he just made the mistake of going for a head shot and Trump had the good fortune to turn at a critical moment.

Hi Ken,

Whether right or wrong, that is my take on it also.

Jerry Baumchen

[jakee 1,563]

On 7/14/2024 at 1:13 PM, brenthutch said:

That goes both ways. When the Left is describing a potential second Trump term as “the end of democracy” and “the country won’t survive if Trump gets elected” this was bound to happen.

(or describing Trump supporters as Nazis)

Trump himself has called Biden a fascist. Trump himself has called Biden's govenrment a 'Gestapo administration'. The entire Republican campaign is based on the claim that the Democrats have already ended democracy, tried to steal the 2016 election, stole the 2020 election, have infiltrated and perverted the entire Justice system from top to bottom and will never allow another free election in the US unless they take this last chance to elect a Trump administration which will dismantle the evil, secret Democrat Deep State. So why didn't this registered Republican shooter take a pop at Biden? Because it's all so obviously not true.

Why did the registered Republican shooter instead believe Republican VP candidate JD Vance when he said that Trump was 'America's Hitler'? Because the creeping fascism and authoritarianism of a second Trump presidency is all out in the open for people to judge. Clearly, the rhetoric that caused Trump to be shot was Trump's own rhetoric.

 

As an aside, it's telling that there was at least one woman in pride of place in the TV shot behind Trump wearing a campaign T-Shirt that read "Mean Tweets 2024". It's quite amusing that the Republicans are crying and moaning about how dangerous and unacceptable that Democrats have said bad things about Trump, when saying bad things is the reason they like Trump in the first place.

[gowlerk 2,249]

7 hours ago, jakee said:

So why didn't this registered Republican shooter take a pop at Biden? Because it's all so obviously not true.

Probably because Biden did not have an event scheduled 20 miles from his home. It almost seems like his main motive was to do something big.

[BartsDaddy 7]

12 hours ago, jakee said:

 

Why did the registered Republican shooter instead believe Republican VP candidate JD Vance when he said that Trump was 'America's Hitler'? Because the creeping fascism and authoritarianism of a second Trump presidency is all out in the open for people to judge. Clearly, the rhetoric that caused Trump to be shot was Trump's own rhetoric.

You should go to work for the FBI. They have acces to all the evidence currently available and still don't know why the shooter did it. And yet you have it all figured out.

[jakee 1,563]

55 minutes ago, BartsDaddy said:

You should go to work for the FBI. They have acces to all the evidence currently available and still don't know why the shooter did it. And yet you have it all figured out.

I see where you're confused - it was Brent who figured out that people saying things was what caused Trump to be shot. I'm saying that if we accept Brent's premise, then it's pretty obviously the stuff Trump said that was the problem.