Harris or Trump in November

[headoverheels 333]

Well, Putin will be happy.

 

[David Wang 54]

Trump just won Georgia. This is pretty much over. It's like a repeat of 2016.

Edited November 6, 2024 by David Wang

[metalslug 36]

1 hour ago, headoverheels said:

Well, Putin will be happy.

 

No he wont, since he publicly stated he preferred a Biden victory (stated when Biden was still in the race.) . 

Edited November 6, 2024 by metalslug

[headoverheels 333]

13 minutes ago, metalslug said:

No he wont, since he publicly stated he preferred a Biden victory (stated when Biden was still in the race.) . 

That was just to get people to vote against Biden.

 

[metalslug 36]

2 minutes ago, headoverheels said:

That was just to get people to vote against Biden.

 

Of course it was. Now collect your tin foil hat.

[headoverheels 333]

Just now, metalslug said:

Of course it was. Now collect your tin foil hat.

Putin is much smarter that you seem to give him credit for.  

[metalslug 36]

Just now, headoverheels said:

Putin is much smarter that you seem to give him credit for.  

That's pretty much what Trump also said. You're onboard too now?

[jakee 1,497]

27 minutes ago, metalslug said:

Of course it was. Now collect your tin foil hat.

Let me get this straight - you think it is full on conspiracy theorist to not believe everything that Vladimir Putin says?

You are some considerable way down the rabbit hole there my friend!

[kallend 2,027]

The government you elect is the government you deserve.”

— Thomas Jefferson

Apparently we deserve a crook, a rapist, a bigot, and a bankrupt.

[phantomII 37]

5 minutes ago, kallend said:

Apparently we deserve a crook, a rapist, a bigot, and a bankrupt.

Sadly that is what the election result suggests.

[base698 14]

All Democrats employed in the government must immediately report for duty at their local third wave coffee shop.  If there are no coffee jobs you have to report to the cobalt mines.

Thank you,

DOGE

 

[feuergnom 28]

23 minutes ago, base698 said:

All Democrats employed in the government must immediately report for duty at their local third wave coffee shop.  If there are no coffee jobs you have to report to the cobalt mines.

Thank you,

DOGE

 

wtf? 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

5 hours ago, feuergnom said:

wtf? 

He is celebrating a hoped for mass firing of civil servants by an Elon Musk led department.

[JerryBaumchen 1,364]

5 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

He is celebrating a hoped for mass firing of civil servants by an Elon Musk led department.

Hi Sky,

Actually, with the FERS system, brought in by Reagan in 1984, vs the CSRS system I was in, that is now a lot easier.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

9 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Sky,

Actually, with the FERS system, brought in by Reagan in 1984, vs the CSRS system I was in, that is now a lot easier.

Jerry Baumchen

Jerry, get ready for a dismantling of the regulatory state. There is literally nothing that anyone should be doing right now other than positioning their finances to benefit from what is to come. That is the only way any opportunity to protect you and yours from what will happen. That sucks but that is reality. We lost huge and it will not recover in our lifetimes.

Edited November 7, 2024 by JoeWeber

[Phil1111 1,149]

17 hours ago, kallend said:

The government you elect is the government you deserve.”

— Thomas Jefferson

Apparently we deserve a crook, a rapist, a bigot, and a bankrupt.

 

17 hours ago, phantomII said:

Sadly that is what the election result suggests.

America had a good run while it lasted. Eventually every empire fails. The Soviet Union fell apart. Before that the British empire fell apart. Now the American empire.

trump now talks about "a golden era". Meaning of course that insiders within the GOP will steal every bit of gold that America has.

[David Wang 54]

The stuff about project 2025 has been lingering in my mind. With Republicans controlling pretty much every single aspect of the government, they can push their agenda unopposed. The country survived 2016, but there wasn't a "project 2025" by then. This time they're just going to be smarter and more strategic. I sure hope the country survives it again. I'm not sure what to do except put my faith in the "Checks and Balances", whatever is left (e.g., people realizing how awful their policies actually are, and Dems regaining control of part of the congress in the midterms). 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

11 hours ago, David Wang said:

The stuff about project 2025 has been lingering in my mind. With Republicans controlling pretty much every single aspect of the government, they can push their agenda unopposed. The country survived 2016, but there wasn't a "project 2025" by then. This time they're just going to be smarter and more strategic. I sure hope the country survives it again. I'm not sure what to do except put my faith in the "Checks and Balances", whatever is left (e.g., people realizing how awful their policies actually are, and Dems regaining control of part of the congress in the midterms). 

The "checks and balances" are people in the right positions making the right choices.

2016 taught them to ensure those people are MAGA.

[metalslug 36]

On 11/6/2024 at 6:34 PM, jakee said:

Let me get this straight - you think it is full on conspiracy theorist to not believe everything that Vladimir Putin says?

You are some considerable way down the rabbit hole there my friend!

Let me get this straight - We're in opposites world? If Putin states that he prefers Biden then that actually means he prefers Trump? ...and if Putin were to ever state that he supports Trump then may we then assume that he actually supports Biden (or whichever new D candidate emerges)?

...and not forgetting that it's apparently acceptable for a progressive on this forum to (objectively) compliment Putin on his smarts, but it's abhorrent when any conservative does, as Trump did. 

There's no version of lefty logic here that doesn't end with your preferred narrative of Putin and Trump as pals. "Heads I win. Tails you lose."

[nigel99 478]

1 minute ago, metalslug said:

...and not forgetting that it's apparently acceptable for a progressive on this forum to (objectively) compliment Putin on his smarts, but it's abhorrent when any conservative does, as Trump did. 

There's no version of lefty logic here that doesn't end with your preferred narrative of Putin and Trump as pals. "Heads I win. Tails you lose."

There’s a huge difference between saying your enemy is smart and should be taken seriously because they aren’t idiots, and pandering and deferring to them because you admire them as ‘alpha males’.

[metalslug 36]

Just now, nigel99 said:

There’s a huge difference between saying your enemy is smart and should be taken seriously because they aren’t idiots, and pandering and deferring to them because you admire them as ‘alpha males’.

Which one were you doing?  Which one was Trump doing?  ...and answer that with your preferred political narratives only please. <sarcasm>

[nigel99 478]

Just now, metalslug said:

Which one were you doing?  Which one was Trump doing?  ...and answer that with your preferred political narratives only please. <sarcasm>

Trumps the one blowing microphones and on his knees for dictators… 

[jakee 1,497]

6 hours ago, metalslug said:

Let me get this straight - We're in opposites world? If Putin states that he prefers Biden then that actually means he prefers Trump? ...and if Putin were to ever state that he supports Trump then may we then assume that he actually supports Biden (or whichever new D candidate emerges)?

No, if Putin says he prefers Biden it doesn’t mean anything at all. Putin’s public statements are completely untrustworthy. That’s so obvious it’s very embarrassing that you missed it. 

We can assume Putin supports Trump because Trump and the rest of the MAGA movement support cutting off weapons supply to Ukraine and pushing for a peace deal that involves Putin keeping all the territory he has seized. A peace which would last until Putin has rebuilt his forces enough to launch his next attack. Needless to say - that’s a much better outcome for Russia than if Harris was elected and MAGA Mike was no longer speaker.

6 hours ago, metalslug said:

...and not forgetting that it's apparently acceptable for a progressive on this forum to (objectively) compliment Putin on his smarts, but it's abhorrent when any conservative does, as Trump did. 

Trump has called Putin a genius and very savvy for invading Ukraine. He’s regularly called him a strong leader, he’s called him a better leader than the US President. He gushingly compliments Putin on a regular basis. Someone saying he his smart enough to remember that his government runs widespread election disinformation campaigns across western democracy and therefore he shouldn’t only tell the truth does not really compare. 
 

6 hours ago, metalslug said:

There's no version of lefty logic here that doesn't end with your preferred narrative of Putin and Trump as pals. "Heads I win. Tails you lose."

That’s because logic should be used as a way of understanding what is really happening in the real world. The world in which all of Trump’s public statements on Russia and Putin as well as the actions his acolytes in Congress have already taken make his election a far better outcome for Putin than if it had gone the other way. 

 If we were instead using logic to twist the world into appearing to be something it’s not - y’know, like righties do - then sure, Putin loves the Dems and wanted them in office because he really enjoys the challenge of fighting a well armed and supported Ukraine. Does that logic make sense to you?

Edited November 8, 2024 by jakee

[nigel99 478]

41 minutes ago, jakee said:

No, if Putin says he prefers Biden it doesn’t mean anything at all. Putin’s public statements are completely untrustworthy. That’s so obvious it’s very embarrassing that you missed it. 

We can assume Putin supports Trump because Trump and the rest of the MAGA movement support cutting off weapons supply to Ukraine and pushing for a peace deal that involves Putin keeping all the territory he has seized. A peace which would last until Putin has rebuilt his forces enough to launch his next attack. Needless to say - that’s a much better outcome for Russia than if Harris was elected and MAGA Mike was no longer speaker.

Trump has called Putin a genius and very savvy for invading Ukraine. He’s regularly called him a strong leader, he’s called him a better leader than the US President. He gushingly compliments Putin on a regular basis. Someone saying he his smart enough to remember that his government runs widespread election disinformation campaigns across western democracy and therefore he shouldn’t only tell the truth does not really compare. 
 

That’s because logic should be used as a way of understanding what is really happening in the real world. The world in which all of Trump’s public statements on Russia and Putin as well as the actions his acolytes in Congress have already taken make his election a far better outcome for Putin than if it had gone the other way. 

 If we were instead using logic to twist the world into appearing to be something it’s not - y’know, like righties do - then sure, Putin loves the Dems and wanted them in office because he really enjoys the challenge of fighting a well armed and supported Ukraine. Does that logic make sense to you?

Putin is smart. Look at his congratulatory remarks to Trump. Stroking Trumps fragile little ego with gushing praise about how he is a ‘strong and courageous man’

[metalslug 36]

34 minutes ago, jakee said:

That’s because logic should be used as a way of understanding what is really happening in the real world. 

That's priceless considering progressive minds just lost the US election through naivety.

Just sometimes; pragmatism beats idealism. I truly hope I am wrong in this next prediction; there is no amount of US aid, other than significant US personnel on the ground,  that will allow Ukraine to completely recover all the ground that Putin has taken. Future aid will be a bottomless pit that either stalemates that war indefinitely (as it has for about the last 2 years) or erodes to a loss, especially since Putin seems to have acquired North Korean troops. A compromising deal would be only sane way (as compared to nuking Moscow) to stop that war soon. And, yes, such a deal would be unjust and Putin would have seized much more than he deserves and I wish it were not so. If you think that means I'm a Putin supporter then have at it. and then refer back to the first line of my reply above.