AI discussion

[jakee 1,489]

21 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

I’ve seen a few articles saying that AI has suggested cooking recipes for Mustard gas and similar. The whole point is it is ‘supposed’ to be an aid, you still need intelligence and to verify the results.

And as said, AI is already being used in law enforcement and border control without any of those safeguards.

Has news of the British Post Office scandal made it international? Hundreds and hundreds of post office branch owners prosecuted for theft for decades purely on the basis of data form a faulty accounting system that the organisation refused to accept was anything but flawless. Ok, single corrupt organisation, so far so whatever.

But in court, there is a principle in modern British law that computer evidence is assumed to be perfect unless the other side can prove otherwise. Now, this makes sense if you consider a pocket calculator, right? 2 + 2 will always = 4. But anyone who’s worked in an office of any kind (or opened Excel once) in the last 40 years knows that complex interlinked computer systems are a fucking nightmare. There’s no specialist knowledge needed to recognise that, it’s plainly obvious from simply existing in the world. If the legal system hasn’t even caught up with that yet, AI could cause absolute chaos.

[nigel99 471]

7 minutes ago, jakee said:

And as said, AI is already being used in law enforcement and border control without any of those safeguards.

Has news of the British Post Office scandal made it international? Hundreds and hundreds of post office branch owners prosecuted for theft for decades purely on the basis of data form a faulty accounting system that the organisation refused to accept was anything but flawless. Ok, single corrupt organisation, so far so whatever.

But in court, there is a principle in modern British law that computer evidence is assumed to be perfect unless the other side can prove otherwise. Now, this makes sense if you consider a pocket calculator, right? 2 + 2 will always = 4. But anyone who’s worked in an office of any kind (or opened Excel once) in the last 40 years knows that complex interlinked computer systems are a fucking nightmare. There’s no specialist knowledge needed to recognise that, it’s plainly obvious from simply existing in the world. If the legal system hasn’t even caught up with that yet, AI could cause absolute chaos.

I hadn’t seen about the post office, we don’t seem to get much UK news here.

Very interesting about UK law assumptions on computer evidence and scary. I guess often laws lag behind technology (a whole other discussion). 

Another interesting application of AI is detecting drowning in swimming pools. Our local public pools have recently installed it - I don’t know if they are still using life guards (I hope so). We’re developing a home pool system for chemicals and water quality. In the future we are planning on extend it into safety/security and current alarms are woefully inadequate with lots of false alarms. Object recognition in embedded computing is already pretty advanced and being able to flag adult, child or dog is pretty useful- although I would argue that isn’t AI (until I put my marketing sales hat on).

[wmw999 2,442]

Interestingly enough (to me and Billvon, at least) is the inclusion of AI in dropzone.com spam. Some of it's good enough that I have to look at the original post's date, and sometimes the country of origin and email address, to determine if it's more likely an AI-generated answer or a real person. 

And I at least hope I'm guessing right. But maybe I'm banning real skydivers from poor countries instead, just because they sound too educated and/or a little too general.

Wendy P.

[jakee 1,489]

5 hours ago, nigel99 said:

I hadn’t seen about the post office, we don’t seem to get much UK news here.

It’s very much worth a look if you want to feel righteously angry about something!

5 hours ago, nigel99 said:

IAnother interesting application of AI is detecting drowning in swimming pools.

Ok that’s cool.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

6 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Interestingly enough (to me and Billvon, at least) is the inclusion of AI in dropzone.com spam. Some of it's good enough that I have to look at the original post's date, and sometimes the country of origin and email address, to determine if it's more likely an AI-generated answer or a real person. 

And I at least hope I'm guessing right. But maybe I'm banning real skydivers from poor countries instead, just because they sound too educated and/or a little too general.

Wendy P.

Better a few innocents get banned than a single guilty poster go free.

[kallend 2,026]

10 hours ago, jakee said:

And as said, AI is already being used in law enforcement and border control without any of those safeguards.

Has news of the British Post Office scandal made it international? Hundreds and hundreds of post office branch owners prosecuted for theft for decades purely on the basis of data form a faulty accounting system that the organisation refused to accept was anything but flawless. Ok, single corrupt organisation, so far so whatever.

But in court, there is a principle in modern British law that computer evidence is assumed to be perfect unless the other side can prove otherwise. Now, this makes sense if you consider a pocket calculator, right? 2 + 2 will always = 4. But anyone who’s worked in an office of any kind (or opened Excel once) in the last 40 years knows that complex interlinked computer systems are a fucking nightmare. There’s no specialist knowledge needed to recognise that, it’s plainly obvious from simply existing in the world. If the legal system hasn’t even caught up with that yet, AI could cause absolute chaos.

Yes,  in Chicago  I watched a TV documentary on the UK Post Office scandal.  "Alan Bates and the Post Office", I believe. 

[johnhking1 96]

AI = Artificial Idiot

[base698 14]

God Father of AI Wins Physics Nobel Prize

AlphaFold Wins Chemistry Nobel Prize

Not only are AI jobs commanding the highest salaries, now they are taking all the science prestige.

Start working on your differential vector calculus now or you'll be eating cat food while the rich that do use robots to hunt you for sport.

 

 

[nigel99 471]

This is interesting from ASIO https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-11/asio-chief-warns-about-social-media-role-radicalisation-children/104461708

"Mr Burgess singled out artificial intelligence as a technology of growing concern, saying that while there was currently a "chasm" between the reality and "what's being claimed by tech-evangelists", AI would increasingly become a weapon in the hands of terrorists and foreign powers intent on espionage. "If the internet is the world's greatest incubator of extremism and social media is the world's greatest accelerator, AI will augment the incubation and accelerate the acceleration," Mr Burgess said. "We're already aware of extremists experimenting with AI, and it's likely they will try to use it to improve their recruitment campaigns, including through social media.
"A company capable of building such powerful social media algorithms should also be capable of harnessing AI to better identify, moderate and remove extreme material, especially when it is being fed to children."

[nigel99 471]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-chatbot-threatening-message-human-please-die/

This is quite a horrifying example of AI going badly wrong. The student wasn’t trying to use malicious prompts to get a response.

Considering that there is a crisis in mental health and suicide is a growing problem, coupled with people thinking that AI is infallible, I hope that someone feeling suicidal and looking for solutions to their problems doesn’t get a similar type of response.

[nigel99 471]

Elon Musk might be in charge of the business of Grok, but the artificial intelligence has seemingly gone into business for itself, labeling Musk as one of the worst offenders when it comes to spreading misinformation online.User Gary Koepnick asked the AI which person spreads the most information on Twitter/X—and the service did not hesitate in pointing a finger at its creator.
 

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