Iran Israel War

[Phil1111 1,149]

Iran is in the process of launching a multi wave attack comprised of hundreds of ballistic missiles. President Biden warned Iran that it would face "severe consequences" if it attacked Israel with ballistic missiles.

What should the US do if anything? If trump was president he would naturally end the war immediately and give Iran 1/2 of Israel. Using the Russia-Ukraine peace model.

[nigel99 561]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Iran is in the process of launching a multi wave attack comprised of hundreds of ballistic missiles. President Biden warned Iran that it would face "severe consequences" if it attacked Israel with ballistic missiles.

What should the US do if anything? If trump was president he would naturally end the war immediately and give Iran 1/2 of Israel. Using the Russia-Ukraine peace model.

The whole situation is pretty fucked up. Between Israel and Russia we are rapidly heading towards some sort of world war.

I’m very unhappy that the US is building up troops in Northern Australia. My son is in the Australian military and I don’t particularly want him being dragged into other peoples conflicts by our government (Obviously Aus government will be a consenting partner).

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

I don’t particularly want him being dragged into other peoples conflicts

Hi Nigel,

My favorite song is Danny Boy.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,810]

5 hours ago, nigel99 said:

The whole situation is pretty fucked up. Between Israel and Russia we are rapidly heading towards some sort of world war.

I’m very unhappy that the US is building up troops in Northern Australia. My son is in the Australian military and I don’t particularly want him being dragged into other peoples conflicts by our government (Obviously Aus government will be a consenting partner).

Talk about what goes around. Just be glad the US is still a somewhat intact world policeman and your primary language isn't Japanese.

[nigel99 561]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Talk about what goes around. Just be glad the US is still a somewhat intact world policeman and your primary language isn't Japanese.

Slight rant.. The single most irritating saying by Americans is that they are ‘the world’s policeman’ Maybe it’s cultural and bragging isn’t in most countries nature. 

I’m both too young and don’t have a strong history background to know how true or false Americans claim to be the saviour of the world is…

Also kind of ironic for an American to use that line right now with the state of US politics;)

[tkhayes 348]

13 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Iran is in the process of launching a multi wave attack comprised of hundreds of ballistic missiles. President Biden warned Iran that it would face "severe consequences" if it attacked Israel with ballistic missiles.

What should the US do if anything? If trump was president he would naturally end the war immediately and give Iran 1/2 of Israel. Using the Russia-Ukraine peace model.

looks like the missiles did no damage and mostly landed in sparse areas..... which seems to be the trend, as well as Lebanese rockets, nothing seems to ever get hit.

Is this all then just for show and chest thumping by Iran et al?

Edited October 2, 2024 by tkhayes

[Phil1111 1,149]

2 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

looks like the missiles did no damage and mostly landed in sparse areas..... which seems to be the trend, as well as Lebanese rockets, nothing seems to ever get hit.

Is this all then just for show and chest thumping by Iran et al?

In the north of Israel few civilians get killed or injured because 60-80k have been evacuated. Its not chest thumping as these were the best ballistic missiles that Iran has. The missile and missile debris land in non populated areas because the accurately targeted ones are intercepted at a standoff from the targets.

The 180 missiles were not enough to overwhelm Israel defences. Especially so with UK, US and Jordanian help in shooting down the missiles. Israel may decide to just continue dealing with Hezbollah for now rather than get deflected in starting another front.

The US is likely to just keep additional naval assets off the Israeli coast. So they can continue to provide missile interceptions without endangering personnel. IMO

[tkhayes 348]

20 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

In the north of Israel few civilians get killed or injured because 60-80k have been evacuated. Its not chest thumping as these were the best ballistic missiles that Iran has. The missile and missile debris land in non populated areas because the accurately targeted ones are intercepted at a standoff from the targets.

The 180 missiles were not enough to overwhelm Israel defences. Especially so with UK, US and Jordanian help in shooting down the missiles. Israel may decide to just continue dealing with Hezbollah for now rather than get deflected in starting another front.

The US is likely to just keep additional naval assets off the Israeli coast. So they can continue to provide missile interceptions without endangering personnel. IMO

"From 2004 to 2014, these attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians, 5 foreign nationals, 5 IDF soldiers, and at least 11 Palestinians^[11] " tens of thousands of rockets over 20 years and this is the toll on Israel?

It is a valid question to ask if this is all for show.  Israerl's response has always been overwhelming and generally not in any proportion to the attacks.  Not justifying it, but stating my observations

I think the lack of damage has fuck-all to do with evacuations, I think it is all for show.  IOran cannot afford a war, but they can afford 'show and chest-thumping' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

Edited October 2, 2024 by tkhayes

[Phil1111 1,149]

19 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

...., I think it is all for show.  IOran cannot afford a war, but they can afford 'show and chest-thumping' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

Both countries have substantial military assets.Israel #1, Iran #2 and Turkey #3 in the region.  Both know the costs that an all out war would entail. Israel is small geographically. Iran has an estimated 3,000 ballistic missiles.As well as thousands of drones. No defensive system can intercept that many if they are launched in a short time frame.

[tkhayes 348]

2 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Both countries have substantial military assets.Israel #1, Iran #2 and Turkey #3 in the region.  Both know the costs that an all out war would entail. Israel is small geographically. Iran has an estimated 3,000 ballistic missiles.As well as thousands of drones. No defensive system can intercept that many if they are launched in a short time frame.

which is valid but does not address my point of whether or not Iran is actually 'trying'.  While Israel has every right to defend itself, it's kinda like me shooting the guy across the street, and his entire family, because he threw rocks at my house, which is made of concrete.....

[winsor 236]

1 hour ago, tkhayes said:

looks like the missiles did no damage and mostly landed in sparse areas..... which seems to be the trend, as well as Lebanese rockets, nothing seems to ever get hit.

Is this all then just for show and chest thumping by Iran et al?

No, we're just pretty good at selective interception.

[Phil1111 1,149]

14 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

which is valid but does not address my point of whether or not Iran is actually 'trying'.  While Israel has every right to defend itself, it's kinda like me shooting the guy across the street, and his entire family, because he threw rocks at my house, which is made of concrete.....

Iran is trying to save face in the region. Save face with the militia proxies it owns. To not start an all out war. Israel has killed likely 15,000 Hamas fighters while Iran has done little in overt support. An estimated 40% of Hezbollah assets in Lebanon have been destroyed and likely several thousand fighters killed. For which Iran has done little.

The old Mullahs in Iran will fight Israel to the last drop of it's proxies blood. But in the Arab and Persian world, saving face is all important.

[gowlerk 2,249]

5 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Slight rant.. The single most irritating saying by Americans is that they are ‘the world’s policeman’

As the nation with the strongest military and economy by far the USA has the strongest incentive to maintain the current power structure. If you are part of one of the nations that benefit from this fact, like Australia or Canada, or most of western Europe it is also in your interest to help and support the USA in maintaining it. Even if people like Joe feel the need to occasionally rub it in your face.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

5 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Slight rant.. The single most irritating saying by Americans is that they are ‘the world’s policeman’ Maybe it’s cultural and bragging isn’t in most countries nature. 

I’m both too young and don’t have a strong history background to know how true or false Americans claim to be the saviour of the world is…

Also kind of ironic for an American to use that line right now with the state of US politics;)

It's not that all Americans are in agreement but the sad, simple, reality is that when you have 11 nuclear powered aircraft carrier battle groups, and the next country on the list has one, folks just naturally expect you'll be carrying the load.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

2 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

As the nation with the strongest military and economy by far the USA has the strongest incentive to maintain the current power structure. If you are part of one of the nations that benefit from this fact, like Australia or Canada, or most of western Europe it is also in your interest to help and support the USA in maintaining it. Even if people like Joe feel the need to occasionally rub it in your face.

Maybe if Canada had a National defense strategy slightly more expensive that hiding behind us it wouldn't need to be mentioned from time to time.

[gowlerk 2,249]

Just now, JoeWeber said:

Maybe if Canada had a National defense strategy slightly more expensive that hiding behind us it wouldn't need to be mentioned from time to time.

Maybe if Canada needed to it would.

[ryoder 1,590]

26 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Iran is trying to save face in the region. Save face with the militia proxies it owns. To not start an all out war. Israel has killed likely 15,000 Hamas fighters while Iran has done little in overt support. An estimated 40% of Hezbollah assets in Lebanon have been destroyed and likely several thousand fighters killed. For which Iran has done little.

The old Mullahs in Iran will fight Israel to the last drop of it's proxies blood. But in the Arab and Persian world, saving face is all important.

Considering the fact that Israel also killed an Iranian General in the attack that killed the Hezbollah leader, it would seem to me that retaliation would be expected.

[Phil1111 1,149]

3 minutes ago, ryoder said:

Considering the fact that Israel also killed an Iranian General in the attack that killed the Hezbollah leader, it would seem to me that retaliation would be expected.

Yes which reminds me of the Iranian general that trump ordered killed in Iraq. Which is why Iran is now sending out hit-men to assassinate trump in the US.

mmmmmm....... Perhaps there are some 'very fine people" among the old Mullahs!.