Pray for divided government

[brenthutch 444]

If Harris wins a Republican Senate can limit the damage and if Trump wins a unified Democrat legislature could limit his shenanigans. 

[nigel99 572]

11 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

If Harris wins a Republican Senate can limit the damage and if Trump wins a unified Democrat legislature could limit his shenanigans. 

Interesting wording… Harris is damage and the felon, rapist, traitor is shenanigans?

The only thing I am ‘praying’ for at this point is the safety of my American friends and that there is no violence.

[brenthutch 444]

3 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Interesting wording… Harris is damage and the felon, rapist, traitor is shenanigans?

The only thing I am ‘praying’ for at this point is the safety of my American friends and that there is no violence.

You are commingling policies with personal traits. The majority of Americans say they were better off during the Trump administration than the Biden administration. Yes Trump is a reprehensible human being, but I’ll take the low inflation, low gasoline prices and low unemployment over what Harris and Biden have done.

[jakee 1,564]

55 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

You are commingling policies with personal traits. The majority of Americans say they were better off during the Trump administration than the Biden administration. Yes Trump is a reprehensible human being, but I’ll take the low inflation, low gasoline prices and low unemployment over what Harris and Biden have done.

It's stunning how shallow your view of economics is. Trump inherited an excellent and growing economy and didn't do anything to destabilise it too badly until Covid hit. Biden inherited a global crisis and dealt with it better than most of the rest of the developed world. 

But what does Trump want to do now? Strongly inflationary policies involving huge price hikes on all consumer imports and the hits on US exports that will inevitably follow.

[kallend 2,108]

My hope is that the party that chose to follow a convicted criminal/liar/sexual predator as it leader and standard bearer gets thoroughly humiliated at every level.

Probably won't come to pass though.

[jakee 1,564]

If the Republicans do take the House and Senate while Trump loses, it'll prove that their craven pandering (such as the excuses made for him above) to this criminal, amoral, un-American scumbag who is uniquely and obviously unsuited to any public office is one of the greatest self inflicted wounds in the history of politics. Given that so many Americans do take the simplistic view that it's Biden's fault the economy has been so tough, they really could have nominated literallyanybodyelse.com and taken an easy win.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

4 hours ago, brenthutch said:

but I’ll take the low inflation, low gasoline prices and low unemployment over what Harris and Biden have done.

Gas prices aren't much higher now than under Trump

Inflation isn't much higher now than under Trump

Trump presidency lost jobs. Biden presidency created jobs.

 

 

[billvon 3,078]

4 hours ago, brenthutch said:

You are commingling policies with personal traits. 

Given that Trump has, in his official capacity:

-attempted to have Clinton arrested for being his political opponent
-made campaign promises to arrest journalists who disagree with him
-called entire countries of people rapists (psych term is "transference")
-gotten millions in bribes and family investments from foreign adversaries

Yes, we are - because he is in fact commingling those two things.
 

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The majority of Americans say they were better off during the Trump administration than the Biden administration. 

Goebbels first used the technique of the Big Lie -  große Lüge in German - to prove that the Germans were hapless victims of communists, Marxists, foreigners and Jews.  Trump is using it to good effect to make people believe the economy today is terrible, and they are all victims of it.

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Yes Trump is a reprehensible human being, but I’ll take the low inflation, low gasoline prices and low unemployment over what Harris and Biden have done.

And people wonder how anyone could possibly have supported Hitler.

[normiss 858]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Given that Trump has, in his official capacity:

-attempted to have Clinton arrested for being his political opponent
-made campaign promises to arrest journalists who disagree with him
-called entire countries of people rapists (psych term is "transference")
-gotten millions in bribes and family investments from foreign adversaries

Yes, we are - because he is in fact commingling those two things.
 

Goebbels first used the technique of the Big Lie -  große Lüge in German - to prove that the Germans were hapless victims of communists, Marxists, foreigners and Jews.  Trump is using it to good effect to make people believe the economy today is terrible, and they are all victims of it.

And people wonder how anyone could possibly have supported Hitler.

Your alt code character game is impressive sir.

I've not used the German double s symbol before!

[brenthutch 444]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Gas prices aren't much higher now than under Trump

Inflation isn't much higher now than under Trump

Trump presidency lost jobs. Biden presidency created jobs.

 

 

Inflation is cumulative, prices are much much higher under Biden and mortgage rates are more than double 

Edited November 5, 2024 by brenthutch

[jakee 1,564]

6 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Inflation is cumulative, prices are much much higher under Biden and mortgage rates are close to double 

So don’t support the person whose stated policies would make prices rise much more.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

6 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Inflation is cumulative, prices are much much higher under Biden and mortgage rates are close to double 

annualized growth rate of the Case-Shiller Home Price Index inauguration to inauguration:

Trump: 7.96%

Biden (to date): 8.42%

Real GDP per capita growth under Trump: 0.84%

Real GDP per capita growth under Biden: 2.52%

 

[billvon 3,078]

11 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Inflation is cumulative

So after Trump was done destroying the economy, inflation was 2975% when he left office!  Worse than any other country - ever!

And to think you want to vote for that.

[brenthutch 444]

5 hours ago, jakee said:

It's stunning how shallow your view of economics is. Trump inherited an excellent and growing economy and didn't do anything to destabilise it too badly until Covid hit. Biden inherited a global crisis and dealt with it better than most of the rest of the developed world. 

 

Trump inherited a good economy and made it better, both unemployed and inflation were below the Feds target rates. Of course COVID threw a wrench into that but by the end of Trumps term COVID was coming under control and the economy was rebounding quickly after the shortest recession in history.

What did Biden do other than open borders and cause inflation. To be fair he did keep the Trump tariffs in place.

[billvon 3,078]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

What did Biden do other than open borders and cause inflation. To be fair he did keep the Trump tariffs in place.

CHIPS act - brought semiconductor manufacturing back to the US
Inflation Reduction Act - reduced inflation, provided jobs
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act - fixed roads, bridges and airports and provided over a million jobs
Capped drug prices for seniors
15% minimum income tax on corporations
Got American Rescue Plan passed; got 500 million vaccinations to Americans for free
Gave Medicare the power to negotiate for drug prices

Let me guess - FOX News didn't mention them?

[Phil1111 1,149]

48 minutes ago, billvon said:

CHIPS act - brought semiconductor manufacturing back to the US
Inflation Reduction Act - reduced inflation, provided jobs
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act - fixed roads, bridges and airports and provided over a million jobs
Capped drug prices for seniors
15% minimum income tax on corporations
Got American Rescue Plan passed; got 500 million vaccinations to Americans for free
Gave Medicare the power to negotiate for drug prices

Let me guess - FOX News didn't mention them?

In fairness to FOX they did have to cover all of trump's court proceedings and FOX is only 24/7.

[jakee 1,564]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

What did Biden do other than open borders and cause inflation. 

What has Trump said he is going to do except drastically raise prices for commodities?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

8 hours ago, jakee said:

... Trump inherited an excellent and growing economy and didn't do anything to destabilise it too badly until Covid hit...

You seem to forget the trade war Trumpty Dumpty started with China...

And lost.

He jacked tariffs on Chinese goods. They retaliated by increasing tariffs on US commodities.
The US soybean market tanked. Completely.

It took BILLIONS in bailouts to keep the farmers from going bankrupt.

1 hour ago, jakee said:

What has Trump said he is going to do except drastically raise prices for commodities?

He wants to start another trade war, this time with the WHOLE WORLD.

I don't expect it to go any better than the last one.

 

[nigel99 572]

Honestly I hope that Trump and MAGA get crushed and this joke can end and we can return to normal.

I’d probably consider going to church if that happened 

[JerryBaumchen 1,445]

2 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Honestly I hope that Trump and MAGA get crushed and this joke can end and we can return to normal.

I’d probably consider going to church if that happened 

Hi Nigel,

I'm with you; except for:  I’d probably consider going to church if that happened 

I'm at the age where my time is VERY important to me.  Why waste any of what little I have left?

Jerry Baumchen

 

[nigel99 572]

5 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Nigel,

I'm with you; except for:  I’d probably consider going to church if that happened 

I'm at the age where my time is VERY important to me.  Why waste any of what little I have left?

Jerry Baumchen

 

Well the pub is the preferred option :)

But if god decides to snub the evangelicals he deserves to share a glass of wine

[jakee 1,564]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

You seem to forget the trade war Trumpty Dumpty started with China...

And lost.

No forgetting, just no no need to get into the weeds of it. Just strengthens the point I've made to Brent before that Presidents aren't money wizards. They aren't magically responsible for everything that happens to the economy. Trump inherited such good fundamentals that even his stupid policies (until covid) only caused localised damage. Now his plan is to double down and massively expand on those dumb ideas in a still much shakier environment than he had before.

It's telling that Brent never mentions anything he agrees with in Trump's current economic policy platform, he just points at 6 year old gas prices and pretends they'll somehow come back because the oil companies are going to want to make him look good or something.