And just like that…

[grimmie 186]

Stop the Steal is dead.

Italian satellites aren’t changing voting machines. Nor is Hugo Chavez.

i really would like to see My Pillow Dude, Rudy, Powell, Jenna and others that were ruined over Trump’s lies to be interviewed. They all lost so much for the melon felon. I would love to know how they feel now. 
I’m sure Trump will throw them a few dollars.:)

And all of the talking heads at Fox and Newsmax would be great interviews now.

 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2024 by grimmie

[jakee 1,489]

34 minutes ago, grimmie said:

Stop the Steal is dead.

If there's any silver lining from the election it was the pure comedy value of Trump, on election day, starting to complain about rampant cheating in a state he ended up winning.

35 minutes ago, grimmie said:

i really would like to see My Pillow Dude, Rudy, Powell, Jenna and others that were ruined over Trump’s lies to be interviewed. They all lost so much for the melon felon. I would love to know how they feel now. 

Fuck them. They didn't lose anything because of Trump's lies, they lost because of their own lies. They should be ignored completely, throw all those cynical arseholes into Room 101 and throw away the key. The innocent people working in service of the nation whose lives they ruined are who we should be hearing more from. Ask Ruby Freeman if she'd rather have Rudy's millions or her old life back with no death threats - I think I know what she'd choose.

[gowlerk 2,190]

I’m waiting to see how many pardons are handed out to in January 6th insurrectionists.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

7 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

I’m waiting to see how many pardons are handed out to in January 6th insurrectionists.

That's a really good question.

On the one hand, Trump has pardoned a LOT of people who committed crimes for him.

He did it for people who were still able to help him.

OTOH, he seems for forget a lot. People who helped him, who are no longer of any use, are tossed aside...

Like garbage.

We'll just have to wait and see which group the insurrectionists fall into.

[Phil1111 1,149]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

...Fuck them. They didn't lose anything because of Trump's lies, they lost because of their own lies. They should be ignored completely, throw all those cynical arseholes into Room 101 and throw away the key. The innocent people working in service of the nation who ....

...now get compensation for those lies can enjoy what justice has awarded: "A federal judge in New York on Saturday authorized two Georgia poll workers defamed by Rudy Giuliani to pursue information about four Yankees World Series rings owned by the former New York City mayor...The rings are estimated to be worth at least $200,000."

Agree. How many more will get swept up in trump's second term. trump will be feeding at the public cash trough like a pig and his buddies/criminals will be in there with him.

When trump is done a second term there will be nobody left to pardon the fresh crop of criminals.

[metalslug 36]

10 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

That's a really good question.

On the one hand, Trump has pardoned a LOT of people who committed crimes for him.

He did it for people who were still able to help him.

OTOH, he seems for forget a lot. People who helped him, who are no longer of any use, are tossed aside...

Like garbage.

We'll just have to wait and see which group the insurrectionists fall into.

Well that's a convenient setup for your unlosable argument; if he pardons any then it's an abhorrent breach of justice and if he doesn't then he's used and tossed them aside like garbage. You get to fill a negative narrative either way. Yay!

I would be surprised (and appalled) if he releases any that had 'airtight' convictions from CCTV and/or proven forensics, although cases with scant circumstantial evidence could see a few of them pardoned. It's not as though the justice system in deep blue DC at the time was acting impartially on people who they knew would not have the resources to appeal.

[grimmie 186]

Proud Boys will be first in line

[billvon 2,990]

3 hours ago, metalslug said:

I would be surprised (and appalled) if he releases any that had 'airtight' convictions from CCTV and/or proven forensics

Duke Cunningham.  Defense contractors bribed him to the tune of millions.  Part of the proof was a note, written in Duke's own hand, listing the amounts he got in bribes - including one earmarked for "BT" (his name for his boat, Buoy Toy.)   He confessed to the crimes. 

Trump pardoned him.  He is still worth millions, so he's a convenient source of funds.

[metalslug 36]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Duke Cunningham.  Defense contractors bribed him to the tune of millions.  Part of the proof was a note, written in Duke's own hand, listing the amounts he got in bribes - including one earmarked for "BT" (his name for his boat, Buoy Toy.)   He confessed to the crimes. 

Trump pardoned him.  He is still worth millions, so he's a convenient source of funds.

All but two US presidents have issued pardons during their term(s) and one might reasonably assume that some (likely most) of those had solid convictions against them; Obama's 1927 vs Trumps 237 .. so far.  However; I'll agree that Trump's pattern of pardons are less altruistic in nature, and unfortunately so.

[jakee 1,489]

7 hours ago, metalslug said:

Well that's a convenient setup for your unlosable argument; if he pardons any then it's an abhorrent breach of justice and if he doesn't then he's used and tossed them aside like garbage. You get to fill a negative narrative either way. Yay!

Yeah, it is unloseable. Trump incited a violent occupation of the Capitol in a genuine attempt to overthrow the results of the election and the consequences of that do reflect badly on him. If he does pardon them it will be contrary to the interests of justice and democracy. If he doesn't pardon them it won't be because he's learned his lesson - he says he should have fought even harder to stay in power than he did - it'll be because he doesn't care about democracy or the little people. In this instance yes, Trump really does suck either way.

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I would be surprised (and appalled) if he releases any that had 'airtight' convictions from CCTV and/or proven forensics, although cases with scant circumstantial evidence could see a few of them pardoned.

I'm surprised you think that would make any difference. Trump has stated that nothing at all was done wrong by any of his supporters on Jan 6th, so how could any of them have airtight convictions? 

Edited November 11, 2024 by jakee

[metalslug 36]

11 minutes ago, jakee said:

I'm surprised you think that would make any difference. Trump has stated that nothing at all was done wrong by any of his supporters on Jan 6th, so how could any of them have airtight convictions? 

Unless I missed a conflicting statement of his elsewhere, that last I read on this was;

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“if they’re innocent, I would pardon them,” while his campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt told the Washington Post in June Trump would decide “on a case-by-case basis” who to pardon.

Therefore; "nothing at all was done wrong by any of his supporters on Jan 6th" does appear to contradict the quote I've referenced so I'm open to viewing your citation too. If indeed he does pardon all of them then that would be very poor form.

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, metalslug said:

Unless I missed a conflicting statement of his elsewhere, that last I read on this was;

 

[metalslug 36]

Not quite so cut and dried, IMO. If we consider this; "I said, peacefully and patriotically, nothing done wrong at all. Nothing done wrong..." , I'm inclined to interpret that Trump was referring to himself, as his tweeted comments or other communications to supporters on the day, as being nothing done wrong. Such a denial would also be in character for Trump if he was attempting to convince Ramiro, who posed the question, that he distanced himself from the violent action. Again I'll say this will play out in time; if he pardons them all I'll be willing to return here and say the sweeping pardons are disgraceful. 

[jakee 1,489]

16 minutes ago, metalslug said:

Not quite so cut and dried, IMO. 

He's also said no-one had any guns when it is a cut and dried fact that people turned up with guns.

On the subject of what people may or may not have said I notice you're ignoring Putin's speech now

Edited November 11, 2024 by jakee

[metalslug 36]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

On the subject of what people may or may not have said I notice you're ignoring Putin's speech now

There was nowhere further to go with that. As with most things we agree to disagree. The only difference of late is that I don't need to give a shit that you disagree since the liberal 'boogey man' campaign has already fallen flat.

[jakee 1,489]

15 minutes ago, metalslug said:

There was nowhere further to go with that. 

Because you know you misquoted him to further your agenda but don't want to admit it?

[nigel99 471]

53 minutes ago, jakee said:

He's also said no-one had any guns when it is a cut and dried fact that people turned up with guns.

On the subject of what people may or may not have said I notice you're ignoring Putin's speech now

Honestly MAGA supporters will twist themselves in knots to ensure Trump is not to blame. 

Incite people with violent rhetoric, get them to assemble with the intent of a fight. I’m not suggesting that you should use violence ‘wink wink’ and if you do I’ll pay your legal fees. 

I will position myself as ‘we’ versus the police, but sorry gov’ner it wasn’t me. I was in the Oval Office eating a Big Mac and drinking a Diet Coke at the time, see here’s my receipt from Maccas. 

The single defining trait of Trump and MAGA is spineless lack of conviction and accountability. 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

On 11/11/2024 at 2:08 AM, nigel99 said:

Honestly MAGA supporters will twist themselves in knots to ensure Trump is not to blame. 

Incite people with violent rhetoric, get them to assemble with the intent of a fight. I’m not suggesting that you should use violence ‘wink wink’ and if you do I’ll pay your legal fees. 

I will position myself as ‘we’ versus the police, but sorry gov’ner it wasn’t me. I was in the Oval Office eating a Big Mac and drinking a Diet Coke at the time, see here’s my receipt from Maccas. 

The single defining trait of Trump and MAGA is spineless lack of conviction and accountability. 

Now that we have our Trump victory emboldened right wing brothers and sisters here to educate us in the dark arts do you reckon the value of DZ.com has gone up or down?

Edited November 12, 2024 by JoeWeber

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 11/10/2024 at 6:11 AM, gowlerk said:

I’m waiting to see how many pardons are handed out to in January 6th insurrectionists.

All of them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 11/10/2024 at 5:01 PM, metalslug said:

I would be surprised (and appalled) if he releases any that had 'airtight' convictions from CCTV and/or proven forensics, although cases with scant circumstantial evidence could see a few of them pardoned. It's not as though the justice system in deep blue DC at the time was acting impartially on people who they knew would not have the resources to appeal.

So you would be in favour of releasing many black and Latino prisoners in southern states?

Political leaning of a state or jurisdiction has never been an issue for Republicans before. Now it is a reason to change everything. 

Of course all while shouting that institutional bias or racism isn't a thing....

[billvon 2,990]

5 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

So you would be in favour of releasing many black and Latino prisoners in southern states?

That's completely different!  They are "inner city types" and keeping them locked up keeps us all safer!

Not like the Trump supporter who was swinging a fire extinguisher at a cop.  He was white.

[jakee 1,489]

43 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Of course all while shouting that institutional bias or racism isn't a thing....

Indeed, CRT is bullshit, institutional bias doesn't exist, now help us fight the Dems and their 100% rigged justice system!

[nigel99 471]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Now that we have our Trump victory emboldened right wing brothers and sisters here to educate us in the dark arts do you reckon the value of DZ.com has gone up or down?

I like having the right wing/alternative views,

It’s a pity they were silent for so long prior and we just had a lot of trolling. 

I spend quite a bit of time in Reddit these days and it’s a total echo chamber. I’ve been on dz.com for over 20 years and never had a single days ban. Got a lifetime ban from a subreddit on my second post :)

[metalslug 36]

9 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

So you would be in favour of releasing many black and Latino prisoners in southern states?

Isn't that what a great many Dem presidents have already done? Obama must have had carpal tunnel after signing 1927 pardons during his terms and I'm fairly sure they were not all white folk in blue states.  I'm fine if he pardoned any convictions that had weak cases.   I certainly should assume that you're fine with it.

[metalslug 36]

9 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Now that we have our Trump victory emboldened right wing brothers and sisters here to educate us in the dark arts do you reckon the value of DZ.com has gone up or down?

Did you see the "This site is for sale" banner up top?  Lately DZ.com has got nowhere to go but up. The members who were not driven away by the interface format changes years ago likely lost their taste for the forums right here in hard-left vitriolic SC. 

In some ways the SC forum is a reflection of the larger liberal position; "I have blocked person X!" . "I won't read your links and videos!"; they isolate in echo chambers and are then surprised by election results or surprised to learn that Biden was impaired. Even the D's own polling methods were closed off.  With recent events I suspect conservatives might expect to notice more humility here now or at least a greater willingness from liberals to 'read the room' of political climate.