Attacks on women online soaring

[billvon 2,990]

Since Trump's win, online Trump supporters have been attacking women relentlessly.  White supremacist and Trump supporter Nick Fuentes is leading the charge with "your body, my choice."   A woman on Reddit observed that “Women were being harassed today at UNM and told to ‘go home where they belong’ by gangs of men in MAGA gear.”  And on X, half a dozen posts including the term "your body, my choice" called for "rape squads”, getting tens of thousands of views.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/company-news/2024/11/08/harassment-toward-women-surges-online-after-election-day/

[JerryBaumchen 1,360]

3 minutes ago, billvon said:

Since Trump's win, online Trump supporters have been attacking women relentlessly.  White supremacist and Trump supporter Nick Fuentes is leading the charge with "your body, my choice."   A woman on Reddit observed that “Women were being harassed today at UNM and told to ‘go home where they belong’ by gangs of men in MAGA gear.”  And on X, half a dozen posts including the term "your body, my choice" called for "rape squads”, getting tens of thousands of views.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/company-news/2024/11/08/harassment-toward-women-surges-online-after-election-day/

Hi Bill,

Welcome to Trump 2.0.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  And, this is just the start of it.

[base698 14]

3 hours ago, billvon said:

Since Trump's win, online Trump supporters have been attacking women relentlessly.  White supremacist and Trump supporter Nick Fuentes is leading the charge with "your body, my choice."   A woman on Reddit observed that “Women were being harassed today at UNM and told to ‘go home where they belong’ by gangs of men in MAGA gear.”  And on X, half a dozen posts including the term "your body, my choice" called for "rape squads”, getting tens of thousands of views.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/company-news/2024/11/08/harassment-toward-women-surges-online-after-election-day/

Repeat of a previous storyline a decade old https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html

> So in order to explain their otherwise irrational feeling of impotence, they pull from any of the media-approved categories of blame, depending on your news network: sexism, racism, feminism. The central importance of the media in soliciting their anger is totally lost on the older "activists" who still believe that the -ism is the primary force. They're enraged that a white Princeton student would dare to write that white privilege doesn't exist; they never wonder why they read it. 

[wmw999 2,442]

I’m not sure what you’re saying here; that it’s not real, that it’s not the first time, or that it’s all the liberal press’s fault, or something else?

Considering the rape “joke” that a long-time posted out up, and then doubled down on, I tend to believe thiS

Wendy P. 

[nigel99 471]

44 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

I’m not sure what you’re saying here; that it’s not real, that it’s not the first time, or that it’s all the liberal press’s fault, or something else?

Considering the rape “joke” that a long-time posted out up, and then doubled down on, I tend to believe thiS

Wendy P. 

I’m actually surprised at the hoops people jump through to justify their beliefs.

I was talking to a female friend who I know who was sexually abused as a very young girl and whose life has been affected by it ever since. She’s a fan of Trump and says that ALL THE sexual abuse accusations against Trump are media and deep state lies.  Mind you she is at the more extreme end of the scale and believes Clinton drinks babies blood for adrenachrome and that Bill Gates and Clinton are lizard aliens…

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 minute ago, nigel99 said:

I’m actually surprised at the hoops people jump through to justify their beliefs....

After a nine years of MAGA I'm surprised that you're surprised.

[base698 14]

3 hours ago, wmw999 said:

I’m not sure what you’re saying here; that it’s not real, that it’s not the first time, or that it’s all the liberal press’s fault, or something else?

It's click bait.  This time MAGA is the villain, previously online trolls, mens rights activists, gamers.  Real world harassment is barely prosecuted or taken seriously.  And when it is it's in select cases (rich victim, famous victim). Online harassment is taken less seriously.  It has the advantage it is rampant, crosses demographics and existed prior to MAGA or Trump so any narrative can be written to write a story about.

Edited November 11, 2024 by base698

[wmw999 2,442]

But the fact that it goes on all the time isn't a problem? Or just not your problem, so why care? But if you have a wife or girl, then it still might be their problem, right?

Wendy P.

[billvon 2,990]

4 hours ago, base698 said:

Repeat of a previous storyline a decade old

Well, Trump's rise to power is the repeat of a previous storyline 90 years old, but few care about that.

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This time MAGA is the villain, previously online trolls, mens rights activists, gamers. 

Uh - OK.  Haven't seen the gamers, but I'll take your word for it.

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so any narrative can be written to write a story about.

So is it that you support the "your body, my choice" narrative?  Or do you not believe it exists?

[base698 14]

39 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

But the fact that it goes on all the time isn't a problem?

It doesn't appear to be since it's rarely prosecuted and rarely results in real-world cross over.

If you had $1,000,000 to spend to investigate crimes of rape, real world harassment, domestic violence, and online harassment, how much would you allocate to prosecuting online harassment?

[base698 14]

26 minutes ago, billvon said:

So is it that you support the "your body, my choice" narrative?  Or do you not believe it exists?

Are there any other possibilities you can think of?

[gowlerk 2,190]

15 minutes ago, base698 said:

Are there any other possibilities you can think of?

It's simple a viral troll designed to outrage. Just small mean spirited nonsense. I would bet that no one here has actually seen or heard about it first hand just read online that "people are posting". It is the equivalent of the people complaining that they are being asked not to say "Merry Christmas". There are real problems to worry about. This is nothing but a distracting meme.

Edited November 11, 2024 by gowlerk

[tkhayes 348]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

It's simple a viral troll designed to outrage. Just small mean spirited nonsense. I would bet that no one here has actually seen or heard about it first hand just read online that "people are posting". It is the equivalent of the people complaining that they are being asked not to say "Merry Christmas". There are real problems to worry about. This is nothing but a distracting meme.

I would tend not to minimize this, given the actions that come out of these sorts of things… There was this event called January 6 once…
 

but I get it… I mean, if just one fringe guy happens to rape and murder a woman… “Well, we’re not for that sort of thing”, and they have a convenient excuse to continue their dangerous rhetoric.

and they have a convenient excuse to continue their dangerous rhetoric

Thousands of people we’re harmed or died because Donald Trump suggested horse drugs and bleach

[nigel99 471]

4 hours ago, wmw999 said:

But the fact that it goes on all the time isn't a problem? Or just not your problem, so why care? But if you have a wife or girl, then it still might be their problem, right?

Wendy P.

I suspect the vast majority of the ‘sexual assault isn’t a problem’ are the so called incels who are busy living in mommy and daddy’s basement and feeding on a diet of Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan and the only woman on their lives is their mom.

[wmw999 2,442]

9 hours ago, base698 said:

It doesn't appear to be since it's rarely prosecuted and rarely results in real-world cross over.

If you had $1,000,000 to spend to investigate crimes of rape, real world harassment, domestic violence, and online harassment, how much would you allocate to prosecuting online harassment?

Maybe that's also because the standard of evidence required for a rape appears to be higher; you made it clear that basically nothing that Carroll said would convince you that she was telling the truth, and that you don't even believe her win; you're probably not alone.

That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just means the bullies get to "win."

Wendy P.

[grimmie 186]

My daughter lives in Manhattan. The red hats were out in force harassing women the night of the election. Yelling “grab em by the pussy” and laughing.

Its going to be an ugly 4 years.

 

[base698 14]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Maybe that's also because the standard of evidence required for a rape appears to be higher; you made it clear that basically nothing that Carroll said would convince you that she was telling the truth, and that you don't even believe her win; you're probably not alone.

What percentage of online harassment leads to actual damage compared to rape?  I'd wager 100% of rapes cause irreparable harm to the victim.  What percentage of mean Internet comments do irreparable harm?  Do you think stopping online harassment would lead to a decline in real harassment?  Back to my question, what percentage of funds deserve to target online harassment?

3% of the population has antisocial personality disorder.  If Trump went away today and all his supporters what would that do to online harassment?  Do those 3% of the population continue to harass online or is it online utopia where all content is cat videos?

[jakee 1,489]

17 minutes ago, base698 said:

What percentage of online harassment leads to actual damage compared to rape? 

How can you possibly think that is an answerable question?

17 minutes ago, base698 said:

Do you think stopping online harassment would lead to a decline in real harassment? 

Yes.

18 minutes ago, base698 said:

3% of the population has antisocial personality disorder.  If Trump went away today and all his supporters what would that do to online harassment?  Do those 3% of the population continue to harass online or is it online utopia where all content is cat videos?

That 3%, sure. What about everyone else? In Afghanistan is the entirety of the Taliban made up of people with anti-social personality disorder? Or can 'normal' people be influenced to treat women better or worse depending on what they see around them to be socially acceptable?

[tkhayes 348]

7 hours ago, nigel99 said:

I suspect the vast majority of the ‘sexual assault isn’t a problem’ are the so called incels who are busy living in mommy and daddy’s basement and feeding on a diet of Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan and the only woman on their lives is their mom.

I work with these people, they exist in reality.  They hate women, they NEVER get laid, mostly because they are despicably misogynistic, race hating as well, and Joe Rogan is the source for their information

some of them think the Bible is a good loving book..... to add icing to the description

[base698 14]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

How can you possibly think that is an answerable question?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_problem

A Fermi problem (or Fermi quiz, Fermi question, Fermi estimate), also known as an order-of-magnitude problem (or order-of-magnitude estimate, order estimation), is an estimation problem in physics or engineering education, designed to teach dimensional analysis or approximation of extreme scientific calculations. Fermi problems are usually back-of-the-envelope calculations. The estimation technique is named after physicist Enrico Fermi as he was known for his ability to make good approximate calculations with little or no actual data. Fermi problems typically involve making justified guesses about quantities and their variance or lower and upper bounds. In some cases, order-of-magnitude estimates can also be derived using dimensional analysis.

Edited November 11, 2024 by base698

[JoeWeber 2,720]

6 minutes ago, base698 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_problem

A Fermi problem (or Fermi quiz, Fermi question, Fermi estimate), also known as an order-of-magnitude problem (or order-of-magnitude estimate, order estimation), is an estimation problem in physics or engineering education, designed to teach dimensional analysis or approximation of extreme scientific calculations. Fermi problems are usually back-of-the-envelope calculations. The estimation technique is named after physicist Enrico Fermi as he was known for his ability to make good approximate calculations with little or no actual data. Fermi problems typically involve making justified guesses about quantities and their variance or lower and upper bounds. In some cases, order-of-magnitude estimates can also be derived using dimensional analysis.

How Wiki-smart of you. I must say, now that Trump's win has emboldened you to come out of the shadows I've learned a great deal. Mostly that I wasn't wrong at all about how different my world view is from that of most Trump supporters whose world views seem to have more blank spaces than a bar code.

[kallend 2,026]

3 hours ago, base698 said:

 

3% of the population has antisocial personality disorder.  I 

And one of them just got elected - again.

[base698 14]

20 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I must say, now that Trump's win has emboldened you to come out of the shadows I've learned a great deal.

I was curious how boomer libs (older Gen X and boomer) took the loss.  I'm a Xennial and most of my discussions are with people in the age range of 35-50.  I've found the discussion here enlightening and very different than with younger Never Trumpers.

Broadly younger people seem to understand in a democracy people have different view points. You can campaign and hope your pet issue takes the forefront but that won't always be the case. 

"My mom died of an overdose, and JD Vance has direct experience with this issue".  YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF IMMIGRANTS AND ABORTION is why you lose and will continue to lose.

20 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

most Trump supporters whose world views seem to have more blank spaces than a bar code.

The blanks spaces are part of the encoding in a bar code, without them the bar code is meaningless.  Like a true liberal you have no idea how reality works.

Edited November 11, 2024 by base698

[billvon 2,990]

34 minutes ago, base698 said:

  Like a true liberal you have no idea how reality works.

This coming from the people who think vaccines don't work, that climate change is a Chinese hoax, that windmill cancer is a thing, that women can "shut down" a pregnancy if they are raped, and that Haitian immigrants are eating people's pets in Springfield.

I prefer actual reality, even if alternative facts conform more closely to conservative agendas.

[base698 14]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

This coming from the people who think vaccines don't work, that climate change is a Chinese hoax, that windmill cancer is a thing, that women can "shut down" a pregnancy if they are raped, and that Haitian immigrants are eating people's pets in Springfield.

I prefer actual reality, even if alternative facts conform more closely to conservative agendas.

You just named a bunch of liberal news media perceptions of boomer conservatives.  I don't know anyone personally who believes any of those.