The Clown Show aka trump's Cabinet

[SkyDekker 1,465]

4 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

But the courts are still somewhat a backstop.

How did that work in Florida exactly?

Aileen Cannon was indeed a very strong backstop for Trump, but I don't think that is what you meant?

[Phil1111 1,149]

33 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

How did that work in Florida exactly?

Aileen Cannon was indeed a very strong backstop for Trump, but I don't think that is what you meant?

I did say somewhat and i conced trump will start appointing more lackeys to the bench on day two. The USSC with trump's "justices" has rejected some of trump's legal arguments

But I still have hope that the US can avoid whats above.

Edited November 19, 2024 by Phil1111

[grimmie 186]

It will all come down to senate republicans to save the republic. If the pedophile gets the DOJ job, the nation burns to the ground. 

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

It's pretty hard to see how that could happen given the decentralized state by state control of the process. 

Well it's already been done, according to the people who are about to try and do it.

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

I did say somewhat and i conced trump will start appointing more lackeys to the bench on day two. The USSC with trump's "justices" has rejected some of trump's legal arguments

Sure, but then they said he can ignore anything else they say.

[Phil1111 1,149]

43 minutes ago, jakee said:

Sure, but then they said he can ignore anything else they say.

Oh! ok

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Dr. Oz to lead Centers of Medicaid and Medicare Services.

America is a joke country now. 

[gowlerk 2,192]

5 hours ago, grimmie said:

It will all come down to senate republicans to save the republic. If the pedophile gets the DOJ job, the nation burns to the ground. 

I'm not sure how Gaetz as AG is worse than Trump as POTUS. Seriously the USA has already hit the bottom and has nowhere to go but up. You survived Jefferson Beauregard Sessions who was not only amoral but also competent and knew how to get things done. Gaetz will not be competent enough to do much damage. His core skills don't fit the task. The hyperbole is getting a little overblown now. Yes, it is horrible. No it is not a existential crisis.

Edited November 20, 2024 by gowlerk

[grimmie 186]

Ken, if they OK Gaetz it will mean they are more terrified of Trump and losing their job than losing the nation. It means they will OK all of his cabinet and go along with whatever Trump wishes. Gabbard, worm brain, Fox News guy. It will be devastating as they OK all of Trumps judges. 
Gaetz is the litmus test, IMHO.

[nigel99 474]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

I'm not sure how Gaetz as AG is worse than Trump as POTUS. Seriously the USA has already hit the bottom and has nowhere to go but up. You survived Jefferson Beauregard Sessions who was not only a moral but also competent and knew how to get things done. Gaetz will not be competent enough to do much damage. His core skills don't fit the task. The hyperbole is getting a little overblown now. Yes, it is horrible. No it is not a existential crisis.

Really? 

[Phil1111 1,149]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

I'm not sure how Gaetz as AG is worse than Trump as POTUS. Seriously the USA has already hit the bottom and has nowhere to go but up. You survived Jefferson Beauregard Sessions who was not only a moral but also competent and knew how to get things done. Gaetz will not be competent enough to do much damage. His core skills don't fit the task. The hyperbole is getting a little overblown now. Yes, it is horrible. No it is not a existential crisis.

He is not worse. The issue is the combination of the two of them, trump and Gaetz. Gaetz will do whatever trump orders him to do. Order sham investigations and prosecutions. Kill legitimate investigations and prosecutions. Stephen Miller, Russ Vought(chief project 2025 author) Bannon and others who know how to lead trump down the garden path. Will all act to play upon trump's darkest instincts.

Imagine " Human activities have resulted in wholesale destruction of the environment. Water pollution is so severe that "don't drink" notices are frequently issued. Air pollution has reached the point that people in urban areas cannot go outside without wearing air masks.Coastal waters are mostly covered by a stinking, oily film made up of sewage, detergents, industrial effluent, and cellulose microfibers.The right-wing government is indifferent to those problems. The President, known as Prexy, can only offer snappy quotes in response to various disasters. When poisonings and famine become rampant, the government scapegoats Honduran communist rebels and puts the country under martial law. It resorts to violence and oppression to silence its critics. References are made to attempts to rein in the environmental destruction, but they are depicted as having made no difference to the state of the environment. Even so, one Republican Senator claims that the regulations are destroying American business. fewer and fewer people graduate with science, engineering, or business management degrees, as agriculture and food-related degrees are most in demand and most likely to lead to emigration from the US. The number of poor people is growing while wealthy people enclose themselves in walled communities guarded by armed mercenaries."

The above is from a dystopian novel entitled "The Sheep Look Up" by John Brunner

Edited November 20, 2024 by Phil1111

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1 minute ago, Phil1111 said:

He is not worse. The issue is the combination of the two of them, trump and Gaetz. Gaetz will do whatever trump orders him to do. Order sham investigations and prosecutions. Kill legitimate investigations and prosecutions. Stephen Miller, Russ Vought(chief project 2025 author) Bannon and others who know how to lead trump down the garden path. Will all act to play upon trump's darkest instincts.

Is Trump the leader or the puppet? 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

5 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Is Trump the leader or the puppet? 

He is both.

Trump has been shown to be easily directed with praise and promises of fame and fortune.

[Phil1111 1,149]

10 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Is Trump the leader or the puppet? 

Yes

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On 11/16/2024 at 4:23 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

It would not be your pilot's license on the line.

Jerry Baumchen

there would be no one to enforce the pilot rules either.....

[gowlerk 2,192]

2 hours ago, grimmie said:

Ken, if they OK Gaetz it will mean they are more terrified of Trump and losing their job than losing the nation. It means they will OK all of his cabinet and go along with whatever Trump wishes. Gabbard, worm brain, Fox News guy. It will be devastating as they OK all of Trumps judges. 
Gaetz is the litmus test, IMHO.

Yes all that is absolutely true. There can be no other reason to confirm Gaetz. Which I do not think will happen in the end. But if it does it will not be the end of the USA. The bigger danger is the nomination for defense secretary which the Gaetz debacle will draw attention away from. The justice department will be weakened but in the overall justice system the bulk of the work is done at the state level. Defence is solely federal and more important. 

[gowlerk 2,192]

2 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Really? 

Yes really. Think about it. If Gaetz does not get the job it doesn't mean someone you or I will approve of will. It will only mean that someone just as evil but harder to tarnish will instead. The population has moved right, but not far right. In the end Bush and the neocons did far more damage to the US than Trump is going to do. The seemingly never ending war to bring "The American Way" to the muslim nations is the main reason Trump even happened. The Saudi royal family has to be very happy right now.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Yes really. Think about it. If Gaetz does not get the job it doesn't mean someone you or I will approve of will. It will only mean that someone just as evil but harder to tarnish will instead. The population has moved right, but not far right. In the end Bush and the neocons did far more damage to the US than Trump is going to do. The seemingly never ending war to bring "The American Way" to the muslim nations is the main reason Trump even happened. The Saudi royal family has to be very happy right now.

Agreed, save that you simply cannot know what or how much damage Trump will do. Downstream effects cannot be measured in advance.

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5 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Yes really. Think about it. If Gaetz does not get the job it doesn't mean someone you or I will approve of will. It will only mean that someone just as evil but harder to tarnish will instead. The population has moved right, but not far right. In the end Bush and the neocons did far more damage to the US than Trump is going to do. The seemingly never ending war to bring "The American Way" to the muslim nations is the main reason Trump even happened. The Saudi royal family has to be very happy right now.

What I meant is ‘Really? You believe the only way is up?’

I’m pretty sure down is a very viable option

[jakee 1,489]

7 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

He is not worse. The issue is the combination of the two of them, trump and Gaetz.

When we elected Boris Johnson a lot of Americans quite rightly pointed at us and said ‘see! It’s not just us who get fooled by lying morons with stupid hair!’ 

Now, the thing that brought down BoJo, the line he crossed that was too far for even his own party to tolerate, was appointing a known sex pest to a position of authority within the government. But in the US, since Trump has already smashed through that barrier by being one himself, even people opposed to him are arguing that appointing Gaetz, a known sex offender, isn’t that bad. 

This is the corrosive effect he has on ethics in government that is going to be very hard to undo.

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36 minutes ago, jakee said:

When we elected Boris Johnson a lot of Americans quite rightly pointed at us and said ‘see! It’s not just us who get fooled by lying morons with stupid hair!’ 

Now, the thing that brought down BoJo, the line he crossed that was too far for even his own party to tolerate, was appointing a known sex pest to a position of authority within the government. But in the US, since Trump has already smashed through that barrier by being one himself, even people opposed to him are arguing that appointing Gaetz, a known sex offender, isn’t that bad. 

This is the corrosive effect he has on ethics in government that is going to be very hard to undo.

https://www.rawstory.com/mike-lindell-election-security/

The US always does things bigger than anyone else! 

[gowlerk 2,192]

6 hours ago, nigel99 said:

What I meant is ‘Really? You believe the only way is up?’

I’m pretty sure down is a very viable option

In the context of leadership selection only up is available at this moment. I hope. 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

4 hours ago, gowlerk said:

In the context of leadership selection only up is available at this moment. I hope. 

Say it a third time and it will still not be true. The Bozo supply in American politics is barely tapped, seems to me.

[gowlerk 2,192]

5 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Say it a third time and it will still not be true. The Bozo supply in American politics is barely tapped, seems to me.

The Ds versus the Rs is starting to remind me of Israelis vs Palestinians. Or at least the rhetoric is. Get a grip everyone.

[Phil1111 1,149]

trump is refusing to use the FBI to conduct background checks on his nominees. Instead he is using "private investigators" to do them and some GOP senators are not happy.

Two of trumps investigators were captured on film on their way to interview Matt Gaetz, image below.