sundevil777 102 #1 Posted November 16, 2024 Please help with seeking Clarity instead of Agreement (Dennis Prager's line). I don't want to debate individual issues. Rather than trying to seek AGREEMENT about any particular issue, how about we seek CLARITY about an OVERALL philosophy? Who are the progressive leaders? Who closely represents your "philosophy" on the issues of the day? Please exclude people that were/are primarily just spiritual leaders, such as any religions prophets. However someone like Jesse Jackson I think should not be excluded because I think he is more of a political leader than religious. It doesn't mean you have to agree with everything they say, let us please not demand purity/innocence from sin. Think "big picture", not "tiny detail". Remember, the focus is to be on the notable "thinker/philosopher/leader", not a particular issue, so if you think a guy I like about economic issues is lousy, then don't just attack him, tell us who is a better leader. My quick/not at all comprehensive list to start, with no implication intended by order: Thomas Sowell Milton Friedman Larry Elder Ronald Reagan Ben Shapiro Jordan Peterson Dennis Prager William F. Buckley Jr. Walter Williams...and I'll think of many others... Please don't bother telling me any of these are on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate group list. Thank you in advance for participating, let's seek clarity over agreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 568 #2 November 16, 2024 Tony Blair Tim Waltz Russel Brand (pre covid) Gabor Mate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #3 November 16, 2024 1 hour ago, sundevil777 said: Who are the progressive leaders? Who closely represents your "philosophy" on the issues of the day? Heather Cox Richardson Liz Cheney Pete Buttigieg Elizabeth Warren Kirsten Sinema To list a few. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #4 November 16, 2024 Being a non-linear thinker, I follow podcasters Shawn Ryan and Danny Jones because they have very knowledgeable guests. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,436 #5 November 16, 2024 15 hours ago, billvon said: Heather Cox Richardson Liz Cheney Pete Buttigieg Elizabeth Warren Kirsten Sinema To list a few. Hi Bill, And, my add-ons to that list: Gretchen Whitmer - Gov of Michigan Jay Inslee - Gov of Washington Bob Ferguson - incoming Gov of Washington Gavin Newsom - Gov of California Sherrod Brown - outgoing Sen from Ohio Ron Wyden - Sen from Oregon I think I could from here to New Years and my list would not be complete. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,534 #6 November 16, 2024 I like variety; I’m not sure there are individuals who I go to (although Heather Cox Richardson rarely disappoints). But if I listen to the people I identify with too much, I’m just entering the echo chamber. So I check in with normal people I know (yes, sometimes on FB) for how they see things. Because I don’t learn much just confirming my already-opinions. But I tend to avoid the cruel and the mean-spirited. I’m just not into that. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #7 November 17, 2024 Bruce Springsteen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #8 November 18, 2024 On 11/16/2024 at 2:22 PM, wmw999 said: I like variety; I’m not sure there are individuals who I go to (although Heather Cox Richardson rarely disappoints). But if I listen to the people I identify with too much, I’m just entering the echo chamber. So I check in with normal people I know (yes, sometimes on FB) for how they see things. Because I don’t learn much just confirming my already-opinions. But I tend to avoid the cruel and the mean-spirited. I’m just not into that. Wendy P. Very similar to this. Like to read varying view points, plus the view points of "regular people". Sometimes even the cruel and mean-spirited. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SethInMI 174 #9 November 18, 2024 I like Nate Sliver. sometimes he is a little too full of himself, but I like his data driven mindset Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites