Neo-Nazi March in Ohio

[JerryBaumchen 1,360]

Hi folks,

Expect more of this with the advent of MAGA 2.0:  Biden condemns 'sickening' neo-Nazi march in Ohio

Looks like they are not as brave as they would want us to think:   masked men shouting racial slurs and carrying swastika flags

Jerry Baumchen

[kallend 2,026]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Expect more of this with the advent of MAGA 2.0:  Biden condemns 'sickening' neo-Nazi march in Ohio

Looks like they are not as brave as they would want us to think:   masked men shouting racial slurs and carrying swastika flags

Jerry Baumchen

I'm sure there were some "very fine people" there.

[metalslug 36]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

I'm sure there were some "very fine people" there.

....or you could choose to be aware his actual statement instead. Keep selling your preferred narrative to this echo chamber. I'm sure someone here believes you.

[kallend 2,026]

3 hours ago, metalslug said:

....or you could choose to be aware his actual statement instead. Keep selling your preferred narrative to this echo chamber. I'm sure someone here believes you.

That would be at least one more than believe you, then.

[kallend 2,026]

8 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Expect more of this with the advent of MAGA 2.0:  Biden condemns 'sickening' neo-Nazi march in Ohio

Looks like they are not as brave as they would want us to think:   masked men shouting racial slurs and carrying swastika flags

Jerry Baumchen

I sure hope  Trump voters are comfortable with the people they have chosen to get in bed with.

[jakee 1,489]

4 hours ago, metalslug said:

....or you could choose to be aware his actual statement instead. 

Irony of you saying that aside, yes he claimed that a rally specifically organised by white nationalists was not an extremist rally, and that the left was responsible for the violence that left a liberal woman dead. By any measure it was a truly despicable statement.

 

And speaking of actual statements - you claimed that Trump’s team said there would be a team appointed to thoroughly check the minutiae of every Jan 6th case to see if they actually did anything illegal before recommending pardons. When did they say that? What did they say? 

[metalslug 36]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

I sure hope  Trump voters are comfortable with the people they have chosen to get in bed with.

Since it's a rather uniquely liberal minority opinion that they are "in bed with" extremists, I suspect they don't really give a shit that you think so. You might as well call them 'garbage' and 'deplorables'. That tactic seemed to work last time.

Edited November 19, 2024 by metalslug

[metalslug 36]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

And speaking of actual statements - you claimed that Trump’s team said there would be a team appointed to thoroughly check the minutiae of every Jan 6th case to see if they actually did anything illegal before recommending pardons. When did they say that? What did they say? 

Let's see what you and I actually said...

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Right, so when you said you’d be appalled if he pardoned anyone with airtight convictions that was bullshit - your opinion will be that anyone who is pardoned deserved to be pardoned and you won’t bother to check. 

..to which I said..

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Where and how do you suppose I could check the minutia of those cases in any way more thoroughly than the team appointed to do so...

It was indeed myself who would wish to check the minutia but I do not have the access, role or legal training to do so. There was nothing in my reply that claimed what Trump's team would do but rather only what they could do in their position. With regard to the existence of an actual 'team' at all; his spokesperson Karoline Leavitt indicated that pardons would be on a 'case-by-case basis' and it's my own opinion , on probability, that Trump will not take time out to personally peruse each case, hence the very likely delegation to a team due to the volume of cases to examine and expertise required.

[kallend 2,026]

40 minutes ago, metalslug said:

Since it's a rather uniquely liberal minority opinion that they are "in bed with" extremists, I suspect they don't really give a shit that you think so. You might as well call them 'garbage' and 'deplorables'. That tactic seemed to work last time.

Can we take it that you're comfortable being in bed with these fine people?  It sure seems like it.

[metalslug 36]

11 minutes ago, kallend said:

Can we take it that you're comfortable being in bed with these fine people?  It sure seems like it.

Many aspects of reality seem different to you. Not much I can do about that.

Edited November 19, 2024 by metalslug

[kallend 2,026]

24 minutes ago, metalslug said:

Many aspects of reality seem different to you. Not much I can do about that.

We can only go by what you post here.

[metalslug 36]

2 minutes ago, kallend said:

We can only go by what you post here.

Then by all means; go with what I post here and not with what I seem to post here. In doing so the premise of your questions would be less flawed.

[jakee 1,489]

3 hours ago, metalslug said:

It was indeed myself who would wish to check the minutia but I do not have the access, role or legal training to do so. There was nothing in my reply that claimed what Trump's team would do but rather only what they could do in their position.

OK, so the team you mentioned is purely imaginary? So the answer you wanted from me as to how you could check the minutiae better than them is 'by checking at all'? 

Further, your initial statement was this "My concern was with the zealous application of laws (on poor evidence) by a judiciary and jury pool in deep blue DC. I have no problem with the laws themselves. In that regard it was asked and answered; " I'm fine if he pardoned any convictions that had weak cases."

Now, Trump has made absolutely no mention of pardoning Jan 6th convicts because their cases weren't well evidenced. He has said that he would pardon everyone except the most egregious offenders, a few people who 'got out of control'.

So we're back to the fact that when you said you’d be appalled if he pardoned anyone with airtight convictions, that was bullshit. You're not going to do a single thing to check, you're just going to assume that everyone pardoned was recommended by a team that only exists in your imagination, working to a set of criteria that only exist in your imagination.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

10 hours ago, metalslug said:

....or you could choose to be aware his actual statement instead. Keep selling your preferred narrative to this echo chamber. I'm sure someone here believes you.

the accuracy of what Trump did claim – that there were "very fine people on both sides" of the 2017 Unite the Right debacle – is in question.

So your preferred narratives is that when he said both sides, one of the sides wasn't white supremacists or nazis. Considering the incident was about white supremacists and Nazis, that is a pretty bizarre side to be on. Takes a lot of mental gymnastics to get to that point. But I am sure it helps you sleep at night, and that is really all that matters, how it affects you. Fuck the rest.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, metalslug said:

Then by all means; go with what I post here and not with what I seem to post here. In doing so the premise of your questions would be less flawed.

You are playing semantics arguments like this:

A: I love holding my straightened right arm with hand extended at an upwards angle, wearing a brown shirt, while shouting support for my leader.

B: A says he loves being a Nazi

A: No, I never said I loved being a Nazi, why don't you go by what I actually said.....

[kallend 2,026]

4 hours ago, metalslug said:

Then by all means; go with what I post here and not with what I seem to post here. In doing so the premise of your questions would be less flawed.

You've told us exactly where you stand.  Why try to disown it now?

[gowlerk 2,190]

36 minutes ago, kallend said:

You've told us exactly where you stand.  Why try to disown it now?

Cake in the mouth and stomach. Cake in the hand and more in the fridge. Why not have both? Trump and Musk et al do.

[metalslug 36]

4 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

You are playing semantics arguments like this:

A: I love holding my straightened right arm with hand extended at an upwards angle, wearing a brown shirt, while shouting support for my leader.

B: A says he loves being a Nazi

A: No, I never said I loved being a Nazi, why don't you go by what I actually said.....

But here in the real world, what I actually said was that Trump supporters are very unlikely to agree that they are 'in bed with' extremists and are even less likely to care that anyone here might believe that they are. If your extrapolation of that opinion results in myself being an extremist then go have fun with that. You only have this forum to convince.

[metalslug 36]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

You've told us exactly where you stand.  

Indeed I have. Therefore no need for you to infer or invent additional nonsense.

[metalslug 36]

4 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

 

So your preferred narratives is that when he said both sides, one of the sides wasn't white supremacists or nazis. Considering the incident was about white supremacists and Nazis, that is a pretty bizarre side to be on. Takes a lot of mental gymnastics to get to that point. But I am sure it helps you sleep at night, and that is really all that matters, how it affects you. Fuck the rest.

 "condemned totally." was the phrase Trumped used with regard to the supremacists, therefore not an unusual narrative to follow. Should we dump all liberals in with the few violent Antifa and BLM rioters too? 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 minutes ago, metalslug said:

 "condemned totally." was the phrase Trumped used with regard to the supremacists, therefore not an unusual narrative to follow. Should we dump all liberals in with the few violent Antifa and BLM rioters too? 

All white supremacists shouting at a rally = Nazi is not the same as all liberals = violent Antifa.

 

 

[metalslug 36]

5 hours ago, jakee said:

So we're back to the fact that when you said you’d be appalled if he pardoned anyone with airtight convictions, that was bullshit. You're not going to do a single thing to check, you're just going to assume that everyone pardoned was recommended by a team that only exists in your imagination, working to a set of criteria that only exist in your imagination.

You're having a hissy fit over something that has not even happened yet. I'm fine to concede that it's unlikely that I will ever know if these future pardons had airtight convictions, rather like I could state that I would be disappointed if there was match fixing at the next superbowl, even without seeing evidence that match fixing occurred. 

[gowlerk 2,190]

28 minutes ago, metalslug said:

Trump supporters are very unlikely to agree that they are 'in bed with' extremists and are even less likely to care that anyone here might believe that they are.

The problem is that although Trump supporters are not all extremists all extremists are Trump supporters. So yes they are in bed together. 

[metalslug 36]

Just now, gowlerk said:

The problem is that although Trump supporters are not all extremists all extremists are Trump supporters. So yes they are in bed together. 

All of them? Do you have actual evidence of that? Sworn statements or MAGA hats on each one?  ...In as much as all violent Antifa and BLM rioters are considered to be liberals? 

[jakee 1,489]

12 minutes ago, metalslug said:

You're having a hissy fit over something that has not even happened yet. I'm fine to concede that it's unlikely that I will ever know if these future pardons had airtight convictions, rather like I could state that I would be disappointed if there was match fixing at the next superbowl, even without seeing evidence that match fixing occurred. 

For someone so concerned when it suits you with the details of what people said, you seem to be intent on ignoring the ‘he said he was going to do it’ side of things. 

Looking at it that way, it’s quite likely that you will know when he pardons people with airtight convictions. It’ll be kinda obvious.