normiss 798 #26 December 9, 2024 2 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Then why did Joe pardon Hunter after he repeatedly said he wouldn’t? Why the sweeping scope of the pardon when a simple commutation would suffice? You’re ignoring the constant and repeated threats from the incoming administration. The Felon in Chief is out for retribution. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 441 #27 December 9, 2024 38 minutes ago, normiss said: You’re ignoring the constant and repeated threats from the incoming administration. The Felon in Chief is out for retribution. If Hunter wasn’t a criminal he wouldn’t be in jeopardy. The Trump administration can’t create felonies out of thin air and pin it on innocent folks. What did Joe pardon Hunter for if not actual crimes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #28 December 9, 2024 41 minutes ago, normiss said: You’re ignoring the constant and repeated threats from the incoming administration. The Felon in Chief is out for retribution. For sure that’s it. I simply don’t think Joe Biden is in cahoots on anything. It’s his kid and Trump would happily ruin him. Is he a douche, sure, but does he deserve jailing? I don’t think so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #29 December 9, 2024 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: If Hunter wasn’t a criminal he wouldn’t be in jeopardy. The Trump administration can’t create felonies out of thin air and pin it on innocent folks. What did Joe pardon Hunter for if not actual crimes? Jesus Christ, that’s rich. Who was the dipstick who suggested giving you a pardon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 441 #30 December 9, 2024 Just now, JoeWeber said: Jesus Christ, that’s rich. Who was the dipstick who suggested giving you a pardon? I have done my time for the unforgivable crimes of parroting an old joke and answering the question “why would anyone want an AR15” no pardon needed. The question still stands, why did Joe give Hunter such a sweeping pardon (covering a decade + of activities) if there were no underlying crimes committed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #31 December 9, 2024 25 minutes ago, brenthutch said: If Hunter wasn’t a criminal he wouldn’t be in jeopardy. And if you weren't a rule-violating poster you wouldn't get banned all the time. But here we are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #32 December 9, 2024 Just now, billvon said: And if you weren't a rule-violating poster you wouldn't get banned all the time. But here we are. He’s just pissed that he has to suffer consequences for free speech. If, when I was younger, I’d said “hey baby” to some random guy and was attacked, plenty of people would think I had it coming. That’s consequences. If my brothers then beat him up, that’s consequences. If the woman actually has power to do something — well that’s not fair! Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 441 #33 December 9, 2024 21 minutes ago, billvon said: And if you weren't a rule-violating poster you wouldn't get banned all the time. But here we are. Yet I suffer the consequences of my transgressions, unlike Hunter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 441 #34 December 9, 2024 (edited) 26 minutes ago, wmw999 said: He’s just pissed that he has to suffer consequences for free speech. If, when I was younger, I’d said “hey baby” to some random guy and was attacked, plenty of people would think I had it coming. That’s consequences. If my brothers then beat him up, that’s consequences. If the woman actually has power to do something — well that’s not fair! Wendy P. Why couldn’t you beat him up? You just could have identified as a man and taken care of business yourself. Better yet, kicked ass as a woman (whatever that is) since men and women are interchangeable. Edited December 9, 2024 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 441 #35 December 9, 2024 Still waiting for BillV and company to explain why Hunter needed to be pardoned for crimes he didn’t commit. BillV says the it was because Trump would have pursued extralegal actions against Hunter. Of course that is a red herring, as a pardon would have no effect whatsoever on extralegal actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #36 December 9, 2024 4 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Still waiting for BillV and company to explain why Hunter needed to be pardoned for crimes he didn’t commit. To do the best he can to protect his son from a violent criminal. You'd do the same if a violent criminal was gunning for your son. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 441 #37 December 9, 2024 12 minutes ago, billvon said: To do the best he can to protect his son from a violent criminal. You'd do the same if a violent criminal was gunning for your son. But didn’t he say time and time again that he would not do so? And just from what is he being protected? Crimes that he didn’t commit? If there was no crime then a pardon would be unnecessary. If Trump were to pursue extralegal means then a pardon would be meaningless. Or are you admitting Hunter was running a criminal enterprise in which the “Big Guy” got a cut? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #38 December 9, 2024 41 minutes ago, brenthutch said: But didn’t he say time and time again that he would not do so? Yep. He would not do so if Harris won and thus a violent criminal was not able to target his son. She lost and now the violent criminal IS targeting his son. You would do exactly the same thing if it were your son. BTW you saying you are offended that Biden didn't keep his word is hilarious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #39 December 9, 2024 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Still waiting for BillV and company to explain why Hunter needed to be pardoned for crimes he didn’t commit. BillV says the it was because Trump would have pursued extralegal actions against Hunter. Of course that is a red herring, as a pardon would have no effect whatsoever on extralegal actions. Do you just skip over posts or are you just so angry and exploited by your masters that your critical reading faculties have been undermined? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #40 December 9, 2024 5 hours ago, brenthutch said: Still waiting for BillV and company to explain why Hunter needed to be pardoned for crimes he didn’t commit. Hunter Biden is a long time drug addict. He’s probably done more crime that can be uncovered. Crime that, if he were a normal white collar white guy, would never be uncovered or would be treated as a slap on the wrist at best. But hey, let us know how happy you’d be if the Sheriff in your town started following you around and delving into every aspect of your life for just because he didn’t like you. Shouldn’t be any problem, right? If you’re innocent you’ve got nothing to hide. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 318 #41 December 9, 2024 Yep, ^^^ this. He actually paid the taxes, with penalties. Yes, they were very late, but they were paid. Also, he didn't use the firearm in commission of a crime. That is really the only time the "illegal acquisition" law is enforced/prosecuted (as I understand it). Hunter was not charged with any crimes for his alleged "selling" of access to his father. However, since the cases filed against him had not been fully adjudicated, there was no sentence to commute. Granting a blanket pardon keeps Hunter safe from any petty misstep the next administration could have tried to exploit to the same level as the tax and gun charges have been -- way over the top for the actions, especially considering the outcomes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #42 December 9, 2024 16 hours ago, brenthutch said: Then why did Joe pardon Hunter after he repeatedly said he wouldn’t? Why the sweeping scope of the pardon when a simple commutation would suffice? Because Republicans stand for nothing but being vindictive. The only thing you enjoy is hurting people. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #43 December 9, 2024 15 hours ago, brenthutch said: If Hunter wasn’t a criminal he wouldn’t be in jeopardy. The Trump administration can’t create felonies out of thin air and pin it on innocent folks. What did Joe pardon Hunter for if not actual crimes? Weird, I thought that was happening to the Jan 6 tourists? and Trump himself? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #44 December 9, 2024 12 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Do you just skip over posts or are you just so angry and exploited by your masters that your critical reading faculties have been undermined? Well, there is certainly some incentive for him to skip over posts that answer his question, if his goal is to be outraged that no one answered his question. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites