Killer as hero

[billvon 3,058]

2 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Well…Jose Antonio Ibarra was actually Venezuelan, but yeah. Plenty of undocumented rapists freely crossing the border under Biden.

True.  Trump traveled quite freely during that time.  And his wife was an illegal!  But she's white, so I imagine that doesn't count.

[billvon 3,058]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Plenty? So enough? Good and Plenty? I have yet to see the number, please tell us that number.

Fun fact - American citizens commit violent crimes at twice the rate that illegal immigrants do.

So if you are worried about precious innocent defenseless etc American girls being raped, getting more illegal immigrants in your town (and fewer people like Trump) is your best option.

[jaybird18c 24]

17 minutes ago, billvon said:

True.  Trump traveled quite freely during that time.  And his wife was an illegal!  But she's white, so I imagine that doesn't count.

What’s “white?” I’m offended by your classification. I’m not “white.” 

[jaybird18c 24]

18 minutes ago, billvon said:

Fun fact - American citizens commit violent crimes at twice the rate that illegal immigrants do.

So if you are worried about precious innocent defenseless etc American girls being raped, getting more illegal immigrants in your town (and fewer people like Trump) is your best option.

That’s a weird comparison, comparing the number of illegal aliens with that of the entire US population.

[jaybird18c 24]

“In less than four years, the Biden-Harris Administration has released into the UnitedStates more than 5.6 million illegal aliens,1 with another 1.9 million illegal alien “gotaways”escaping into the country during the same time.”

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/09-03-2024 The Case of the Illegal Alien Who Brutally Assaulted a Teenage Louisiana Girl.pdf

[JoeWeber 2,809]

52 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

 

“In less than four years, the Biden-Harris Administration has released into the UnitedStates more than 5.6 million illegal aliens,1 with another 1.9 million illegal alien “gotaways”escaping into the country during the same time.”

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/09-03-2024 The Case of the Illegal Alien Who Brutally Assaulted a Teenage Louisiana Girl.pdf

Holy Shit! Jim Jordan released a report titled: "THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION’S OPEN-BORDERS POLICIES: THE CASE OF THE ILLEGAL ALIEN WHO BRUTALLY ASSAULTED A TEENAGE LOUISIANA GIRL".

For sure it's "Fair and Balanced". I'll put it on my reading list. Thanks. 

 

[jakee 1,557]

6 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Well…Jose Antonio Ibarra was actually Venezuelan, but yeah. Plenty of undocumented rapists freely crossing the border under Biden. Came through Mexico. Does that count?

I guess it’s fair to say that Americans aren’t the best people, then. Americans aren’t like me. Americans are druggies, they’re criminals and they’re rapists.

[jakee 1,557]

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[olofscience 489]

11 hours ago, billvon said:

So if you are worried about precious innocent defenseless etc American girls

Oh don't worry, he's not. It's just another one of his lies.

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[jaybird18c 24]

7 hours ago, jakee said:

I guess it’s fair to say that Americans aren’t the best people, then. Americans aren’t like me. Americans are druggies, they’re criminals and they’re rapists.

Do you really think Trump meant that all Mexicans/Hispanics coming across the border are druggies, criminals, rapists or do you think, however poorly he may have communicated, that he was trying to emphasize that there are in fact criminal elements coming freely across the border due to policy and that there’s no way to track them? Be reasonable, if possible.

[jakee 1,557]

26 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Do you really think Trump meant that all Mexicans/Hispanics coming across the border are druggies, criminals, rapists or do you think, however poorly he may have communicated, that he was trying to emphasize that there are in fact criminal elements coming freely across the border due to policy and that there’s no way to track them? Be reasonable, if possible.

Do you really think I meant that all Americans are druggies, criminals and rapists? I’m just saying that Americans aren’t like me, Americans are druggies, criminals and rapists. That’s all. I’m not sure what your problem is with that?

[billvon 3,058]

2 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Be reasonable, if possible.

Funny that he uses the same language that Trump uses - and you demand he be reasonable.

 

[billvon 3,058]

14 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

What’s “white?” I’m offended by your classification. I’m not “white.” 

I didn't say you were.

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That’s a weird comparison, comparing the number of illegal aliens with that of the entire US population.

So you missed the word "rate."  Let's try a simpler example - 

If someone moves in next to you, they are half as likely to be violent criminals if they are illegal immigrants vs US citizens.

[jakee 1,557]

2 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Be reasonable, if possible.

Speaking of, in addition to saying that, unlike me, Americans are druggies and rapists (which they are) I also said that all the dogs and cats in my city were going missing because US citizens were eating them - would you still think I was being reasonable? You don’t think that would add up to any kind of unreasonable message that I was putting out?

[JoeWeber 2,809]

3 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Do you really think Trump meant that all Mexicans/Hispanics coming across the border are druggies, criminals, rapists or do you think, however poorly he may have communicated, that he was trying to emphasize that there are in fact criminal elements coming freely across the border due to policy and that there’s no way to track them? Be reasonable, if possible.

Of course, it was just Trump being Trump; he really doesn't mean what he says. He is simply pandering to an especially ignorant part of his base and the remaining willfully ignorant part of his base. Everyone needs to just be reasonable and read between the lines and hope for the best. In the words of Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks: You gotta believe.

 

[wmw999 2,515]

Or, as Simon and Garfunkel sang “a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”

Wendy P. 

[riggerrob 643]

16 hours ago, billvon said:

Fun fact - American citizens commit violent crimes at twice the rate that illegal immigrants do.

So if you are worried about precious innocent defenseless etc American girls being raped, getting more illegal immigrants in your town (and fewer people like Trump) is your best option.

"Cough! Cough!"

I might know more than most about what it feels like to be an un-documented alien working in the USA.

"Cough!"

"Cough!"

Since the stature of limitations has long run out ...

My first week in the USA I started reading newspaper stories about undocumented immigrants from Central America being deported after they were arrested (American municipal police) for drinking and driving, robbery, buggery, thuggery, etc. Since I had never been in the habit of selling drugs or beating my wife, I continued to refrain from those evil activities. After I quit drinking, police pulled me over for a burnt out tail-light. Since I had a spare light bulb on board, I even offered to replace it on the side of the road. As soon as they realized that I had not been drinking,  police quickly lost interest.

"Cough!"

"Cough!"

Bottom line, most undocumented immigrants are smart enough to avoid petty crime and leave the police bored. Bored police do not arrest or deport people.

[riggerrob 643]

On 12/12/2024 at 11:16 AM, jaybird18c said:

I believe in following the law. I believe in the presumption of innocence. I believe guilt must be proven in a court. I also believe, if guilty, the penalty should fit the crime. I believe the sentence should be carried out by the justice system and not vigilantes. I’m assuming that you were just being hyperbolic.

I gain peace from the notion that God has the ultimate decision to punish evil-doers. When that HMO CEO arrives at the pearly gates, Saint Peter will review his "naughty or nice" list and ask the CEO to "stand over there."

"Over there" being the trap door to hell. Then the CEO will roast for eternity in hell ..... minus the pain-killing drugs that he refused to his poorest subscriber.

If God has the ultimate judgement, then I can quit worrying my pretty little mortal head about some CEO's sins.

[JoeWeber 2,809]

1 minute ago, riggerrob said:

Bored police do not arrest or deport people

Indeed not! Better to lay in wait, silent and unseen like a viper, and then pounce on drivers doing next to nothing wrong and give out obscene tickets to bolster their cop cred instead of humane warnings as they once did.

[gowlerk 2,245]

It occurs to me that most countries have a health care system. The USA is slightly different in that it has a healthcare industry instead. And changing that would be pretty difficult because it would wipe out literally trillions of dollars in equity built up in capital markets.  

[JoeWeber 2,809]

5 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

It occurs to me that most countries have a health care system. The USA is slightly different in that it has a healthcare industry instead. And changing that would be pretty difficult because it would wipe out literally trillions of dollars in equity built up in capital markets.  

Nonetheless it's is going to happen. People are getting more pissed by the day because it's ever more obvious we are getting screwed, our doctors are a big part of the problem, and we do not have the best healthcare or outcomes in the world, period. I recently couldn't get my heart medicine refilled for the umpteenth time until I made an appointment with my cardiologist and had my time wasted for an hour waiting and 5 minutes with the bastard not to mention scheduling my days around it all. Of course during and after Covid telehealth was no problemo and he even took my word on my blood pressure. I need to get my next echo out of yearly insurance sync for my medical so it will be out of pocket, oh well. I asked how much that would be and he said someone in the business office would know, as if he hadn't a clue, then mumbled probably hundreds but probably not thousands, and scurried off knowing he'd just made an ass of himself. Not to put Jay's knickers in a twist again but we used to laugh about people going postal when the actuality was no laughing matter. Hopefully health insurance gets fixed before we are wrongly laughing about that, too.

[jaybird18c 24]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Or, as Simon and Garfunkel sang “a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”

Wendy P. 

 

[jaybird18c 24]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

I didn't say you were.

So you missed the word "rate."  Let's try a simpler example - 

If someone moves in next to you, they are half as likely to be violent criminals if they are illegal immigrants vs US citizens.

Right, but some “undocumented” ones rape and murder US citizens. That’s the problem with a “free” for all border.

[jakee 1,557]

12 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Right, but some “undocumented” ones rape and murder US citizens. That’s the problem with a “free” for all border.

That's the problem with living in a country that has people in it.

[JoeWeber 2,809]

24 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Right, but some “undocumented” ones rape and murder US citizens. That’s the problem with a “free” for all border.

Some, again. Some isn't a number, it's a feel. Yes, yes, of course, of course, even one is too many and blah, blah, blah. But I am unconvinced that the actual number is worth all of the pearl clutching. Texas, the only state that even makes a stab at it, as far as I know right now, finds that murder, rape, and other crimes are committed at conviction rates significantly lower than for US Citizens (adjusted for them also being Texans, I'm guessing).

June 26, 2024 CATO Policy Institute paper:

https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2024-06/Policy-Analysis-977-new-release-date.pdf

Edited December 14, 2024 by JoeWeber