Killer as hero

[gowlerk 2,190]

2 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

https://www.newsweek.com/nyc-subway-fire-victim-amelia-carter-ai-misinformation-hoax-2005548

Well that's weird. The story is partly true, but not sensational enough for haters so they have to dress it up.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

10 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

a hoax posted by jay bird and liked by turtlespeed. You guys are so damn gullible. You'll believe anything your dear leader tells you.

IQ of a tomato.

Did you expect anything different from him?

[nigel99 471]

39 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

This is a hoax. This photo is AI spread on X and reddit to blame Biden.  No verified news sources as of 12/23/2024 have given a victim name or statement.

Thanks for the fact check. Being burned alive is horrific.

We had a few lectures from the head of the arson investigation unit and apparently it’s quite common for indigenous women to take their lives by setting themselves on fire (Australia). Some of the most disturbing images I’ve seen and nothing like TV.

[jaybird18c 24]

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

https://www.newsweek.com/nyc-subway-fire-victim-amelia-carter-ai-misinformation-hoax-2005548

Ok. I Stand corrected. I just saw it all over the news. The identity may be fake. However, the story is true. Correct? It just happened. Am I wrong? Is this fake?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/22/us/nyc-subway-fire-woman-death/index.html

Edited December 24, 2024 by jaybird18c

[kallend 2,026]

You pick on one anecdote in an attempt to make a point, yet you continue to make light of the tens of thousands of Americans who are shot dead by their fellow citizens every year.  A rate per capita far higher than any other 1st world nation.

In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data are available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S.

[jaybird18c 24]

3 minutes ago, kallend said:

You pick on one anecdote in an attempt to make a point, yet you continue to make light of the tens of thousands of Americans who are shot dead by their fellow citizens every year.  A rate per capita far higher than any other 1st world nation.

In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data are available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S.

I am a law abiding citizen. So my rights should be infringed because of gangland in Chicago?

[winsor 236]

11 minutes ago, kallend said:

You pick on one anecdote in an attempt to make a point, yet you continue to make light of the tens of thousands of Americans who are shot dead by their fellow citizens every year.  A rate per capita far higher than any other 1st world nation.

In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data are available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S.

If you consider the demographics, a different picture emerges.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

If you consider the demographics, a different picture emerges.

your run ins with guns and the law excluded of course. That was all a misunderstanding.

[kallend 2,026]

4 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

I am a law abiding citizen. So my rights should be infringed because of gangland in Chicago?

Chicago isn't even in the top 10 cities for gun violence per capita (St. Louis is #1).  Last year Chicago was #20.  

If you could guarantee that guns belonging to "'law abiding citizens" would never get into the hands of criminals, I'd be happy for them to keep their guns.

Billy V. was law abiding, until killed his whole family.

According to DoJ figures some 300,000 guns make their way from "'law abiding citizens" to criminals every year.

 

Data suggest that "law abiding citizens" are a big part of the problem.

Edited December 24, 2024 by kallend

[normiss 798]

36 minutes ago, kallend said:

Chicago isn't even in the top 10 cities for gun violence per capita (St. Louis is #1).  Last year Chicago was #20.  

If you could guarantee that guns belonging to "'law abiding citizens" would never get into the hands of criminals, I'd be happy for them to keep their guns.

Billy V. was law abiding, until killed his whole family.

According to DoJ figures some 300,000 guns make their way from "'law abiding citizens" to criminals every year.

 

Data suggest that "law abiding citizens" are a big part of the problem.

The well regulated part could really use a bit more attention.

At least some of the recent shooting have held the "responsible" gun owner partly responsible for their careless ownership and easy access to the weapons. We need more of that IMO.  

Someone steals or accesses a weapon not securely stored? 10 years minimum.

Death as a result of said access to weapon, 20 years.

We have way too many irresponsible gun owners.

[lippy 918]

8 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Ok. I Stand corrected. I just saw it all over the news. 

Out of curiosity, what are ‘the news’ outlets where you picked that up?

[GeorgiaDon 362]

10 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

a hoax posted by jay bird and liked by turtlespeed. You guys are so damn gullible. You'll believe anything your dear leader tells you.

IQ of a tomato.

I’m sure it’s entirely a coincidence that they chose a young white woman as their fake victim.

[GeorgiaDon 362]

10 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

a hoax posted by jay bird and liked by turtlespeed. You guys are so damn gullible. You'll believe anything your dear leader tells you.

IQ of a tomato.

I’m sure it’s entirely a coincidence that they chose a young white woman as their fake victim.

[GeorgiaDon 362]

10 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

 

Edited December 24, 2024 by GeorgiaDon

[GeorgiaDon 362]

10 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

 

Edited December 24, 2024 by GeorgiaDon

[riggerrob 643]

On 12/11/2024 at 8:42 AM, jaybird18c said:

So…..does that justify shooting them in the streets?

No.

I draw the line at political violence. (See Alfred Pinisch 1928- 964). Alfred was a family friend who died in a botched robbery by the FLQ.

The difference between Russians and North Americans is that Russians just toss unpopular oligarchs out a high window, whereas North American lawyers make them miserable in court for many years. IOW in North America, the punishment is a long-winded, expensive and exhausting civil lawsuit. By the end of the lawsuit, no one cares who won, but the defendant is exhausted and his/her/their reputation has been ruined by the mass media.

Edited December 25, 2024 by riggerrob
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[jaybird18c 24]

On 12/24/2024 at 5:33 PM, lippy said:

Out of curiosity, what are ‘the news’ outlets where you picked that up?

You’re not really curious. However, if you look seven posts before this one, you’ll see the CNN link.

[jaybird18c 24]

On 12/24/2024 at 2:10 PM, kallend said:

Chicago isn't even in the top 10 cities for gun violence per capita (St. Louis is #1).  Last year Chicago was #20.  

If you could guarantee that guns belonging to "'law abiding citizens" would never get into the hands of criminals, I'd be happy for them to keep their guns.

Billy V. was law abiding, until killed his whole family.

According to DoJ figures some 300,000 guns make their way from "'law abiding citizens" to criminals every year.

 

Data suggest that "law abiding citizens" are a big part of the problem.

Can you name any right which is immune from carelessness or abuse by someone? That’s ridiculous. I see in your text where you place the blame squarely on the law abiding citizen rather than the criminal. 

[wmw999 2,442]

I think he's talking about the supposed victim, not the fact of the fire (which is truly horrific). Current speculation is that she was homeless, but information hasn't been released because family hasn't been notified, and that's probably because of a combination of the condition of the body and lack of ID. Lack of ID, along with the fact that she was apparently wearing multiple layers of clothing (witnesses), indicates that she might have been homeless.

And no one deserves to be set on fire. 

Wendy P.

[jakee 1,489]

9 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

You’re not really curious. However, if you look seven posts before this one, you’ll see the CNN link.

That’s the post where you clarified that you DIDN’T see the misinformation on the news.

[jaybird18c 24]

Just now, jakee said:

That’s the post where you clarified that you DIDN’T see the misinformation on the news.

Let me clarify for you. I said that I stood corrected in that I did not realize that the picture was fake. However, the occurrence of the event is real. 

[jakee 1,489]

4 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Let me clarify for you. I said that I stood corrected in that I did not realize that the picture was fake. However, the occurrence of the event is real. 

I know. I’m pretty sure Lippy was asking which news outlets you saw the fake picture on. Which I would think is none of them.

[jaybird18c 24]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

I know. I’m pretty sure Lippy was asking which news outlets you saw the fake picture on. Which I would think is none of them.

I don’t remember. However, you are correct. It was not on any of the mainstream news outlets on TV. Obviously, as was stated before, it was fake. I didn’t realize it. However, I knew the story was real and that there was a victim. I mistakenly put the two together. And…I apologized. Move on?

[wmw999 2,442]

Move on. And, consider that maybe putting two and two together doesn't always mean the answer is four, because it's not really just two and two -- we interpret facts and turn them into stories that make sense to us. It's on us to get enough facts to figure out the difference between our comfortable story and what actually happened.

Wendy P.

[jakee 1,489]

21 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

I don’t remember. However, you are correct. It was not on any of the mainstream news outlets on TV. Obviously, as was stated before, it was fake. I didn’t realize it. However, I knew the story was real and that there was a victim. I mistakenly put the two together. And…I apologized. Move on?

Sure. I’m just saying that Lippy was probably asking because the post in which you acknowledged it said this “Ok. I Stand corrected. I just saw it all over the news.” It very much reads like you were saying you saw the fake bit on the news, so there wasn’t any reason for you to bite back at Lippy for asking about it. 

Edited December 27, 2024 by jakee