Killer as hero

[SkyDekker 1,465]

3 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

The whole argument reminds me of the ‘sovereign citizens’ nonsense that is going on. 

Not really. That argument is what excludes Diplomat children from having a birthright to citizenship.

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Just now, jaybird18c said:

What does your liberal clan do, tag in, tag out, or something? SkyDekker…don’t cry bro.

Big wide world out there…

Beyond MAGA land there are countries in different time zones where our dear leaders don’t shit their pants in church. 

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4 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Catch up bro. You’re interpretation of what jurisdiction means isn’t what the original author of the amendment meant.

Says who?  The territorial principle goes back centuries and is part of international law/

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Just now, SkyDekker said:

Not really. That argument is what excludes Diplomat children from having a birthright to citizenship.

I get your point, but am thinking of people saying illegals aren’t subject to the law (I forget the exact wording)

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Just now, nigel99 said:

I get your point, but am thinking of people saying illegals aren’t subject to the law (I forget the exact wording)

Sure they are subject to the law, just like diplomats are subject to the laws.

The question is if they are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Diplomats are presumed to not be subject to the jurisdiction of the laws. There is a potential of a narrow view that would state illegal aliens are also not subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

[kallend 2,026]

10 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Sure they are subject to the law, just like diplomats are subject to the laws.

The question is if they are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Diplomats are presumed to not be subject to the jurisdiction of the laws. There is a potential of a narrow view that would state illegal aliens are also not subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

A view that does not seem to be supported by any case law.

Just because some MAGA asshat says something is true, does not make it true.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Just now, kallend said:

A view that does not seem to be supported by any case law.

The view on diplomats being excluded under this wording is enshrined in law and regulation, but obviously never been challenged. Never would be.

 

1 minute ago, kallend said:

Just because some MAGA asshat says something is true, does not make it true.

Sure, but not sure that is what is happening here. Remember that RBG didn't agree with Roe v Wade.

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7 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

The view on diplomats being excluded under this wording is enshrined in law and regulation, but obviously never been challenged. Never would be.

 

Sure, but not sure that is what is happening here. Remember that RBG didn't agree with Roe v Wade.

When I was 17/18 my best friend was the son of a diplomat and I got to hang out with diplomatic kids. Eric couldn’t drive and his dad used to let us go out with me driving with diplomatic plates.

The diplomats may follow the law (or not), but their teenage kids were wild. We pretty much ignored all the road rules we didn’t like and told the police to F off.

How we never died I don’t know.

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

Lawful.

Do you mean in the same way the country I’m in at any given time has lawful jurisdiction over me?

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

Catch up bro. You’re interpretation of what jurisdiction means isn’t what the original author of the amendment meant.

So when the amendment passed and it was immediately put into practice the wrong way, you have a record of ‘the author’ saying “hey wait, that’s not what I meant” do you?

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3 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Here was one of Levin’s points: Diplomats, students, etc., here on visas (legal) have children here? Are those children now citizens of the US? If not, why not, compared to the children of individuals who come here illegally?

Certainly children born to students in the US are considered to be US citizens. I present exhibit A - Boris Johnson, ex Prime Minister of the UK

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was born on 19 June 1964 in the Upper East Side of Manhattan, New York City, to Stanley Johnson, then studying economics at Columbia University, and Charlotte Fawcett, an artist, whose father Sir James Fawcett, was a prominent barrister and president of the European Commission of Human Rights from 1972 to 1981. Johnson is one of only two British prime ministers to have been an American citizen 

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40 minutes ago, jakee said:

So when the amendment passed and it was immediately put into practice the wrong way, you have a record of ‘the author’ saying “hey wait, that’s not what I meant” do you?

that's stretching things. So far he hasn't been able to say who he thinks the author actually was.

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3 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

No you didn’t. You made an assertion followed by a F-ing asshole personal remark. Here’s what you said. I’m waiting on an actual response. 

“Because a law exists that precludes this. This law has not (yet) been challenged on a constitutional basis and is therefor in force.

Hard to imagine this needs to be explained to an American. Do you not understand how things work in your country?”

I’m just curious. Do you still jump regularly and what’s your home DZ?

OK, I do jump regularly. Jumptown, just in case you want to dox me. I'm also most emphatically low-T. In fact, I'm a weak and wimpy girl, who has worn out a table saw. If you don't want people to think you're prejudiced, don't make comments that make it clear you are. If you do want people to think you're prejudiced, then fine, but we get to call you that.

Anyway, the 14th Amendment was part of a package to make it absolutely clear that former slaves were full citizens, with all the rights and privileges (looked how well that worked). It was worded to include others. We don't have notes of those meetings, as we do of the Constitutional Convention. But words matter, especially in the Constitution.  The concept of illegal immigration didn't really exist in the 1860's; the first exclusionary laws came well after that.

So if you're born in the USA, and subject to their laws (it emphatically does NOT say ONLY the US's laws), then you're a citizen. Which also conveniently fits into the whole thing of people with diplomatic immunity not being US citizens. Otherwise, John McCain would not have been a US citizen, and neither would Ted Cruz. They both have been Republican candidates.

Wendy P.

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3 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

The view on diplomats being excluded under this wording is enshrined in law and regulation, but obviously never been challenged. Never would be.

 

Sure, but not sure that is what is happening here. Remember that RBG didn't agree with Roe v Wade.

If it happens that the Supreme Court abolishes birthright citizenship I won’t be terribly upset.

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5 hours ago, kallend said:

Says who?  The territorial principle goes back centuries and is part of international law/

Extra-territoriality mainly applied to wealthy, white British men temporarily living in the British colonies. It meant that a British gentleman could not be tried by an Indian court. More likely he would be put on the next ship back to England to avoid being lynched by an Indian mob.

Similar standards apply to diplomats. Diplomats are such a tiny percentage of the population that I wonder why we are wasting time arguing about them.

If I may para-phrase the Canadian Air Regulations .... a Canadian-licensed pilot flying a Canadian-registered aircraft - in foreign airspace - should abide by all of the Canadian Air Regulations except where they are repugnant to local law. In that case, he should follow local laws (e.g. landing traffic patterns). Please keep in mind that CARs only differ from American Federal Air Regulations by something like 2 percent and most other nations' federal air regulations are based on American FARS. ICAO also tries hard to standardize air regs world-wide.

Finally, if a Canadian does something stupid enough to kill and American citizen - in American airspace - he can expect to the be tried in an American court and serve most of his sentence in an American prison.

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8 hours ago, jakee said:

Oh darlin' - you didn't even listen to your own source, did you? Levin's argument is that illegal aliens can't be tried for crimes they commit in the US. Do you agree with him?

I disagree with Levin's rhetoric. American police will arrest anyone committing any crime on American soil. Most of the time an American judge will convict the guilty bastard and he will have to serve most of his sentence in an American prison.

For example, a few years back some Canadian criminals were digging a tunnel under Zero Avenue (Washington/British Columbia border). RCMP alerted US Customs and Immigration. US Border Patrol arrested them when they emerged from the south end of the tunnel. RCMP knew that an American judge would assign a harsher sentence (drug smuggling) and RCMP preferred that American tax-payers pay for their years languishing in an American a prison.

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30 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

I disagree with Levin's rhetoric.

Levin’s being a good little soldier and trying to sane-wash a rambling promise Trump made without understanding the mechanics of the system. 

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9 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Catch up bro. You’re interpretation of what jurisdiction means isn’t what the original author of the amendment meant.

Your

[nigel99 466]

7 minutes ago, piisfish said:

Your

A long lost ghost!

Haven’t seen you here in a long time!

[nigel99 466]

This is as an interesting picture from reddit. The police detail for guy who killed a billionaire versus guy who killed 4 college students

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[BIGUN 1,296]

This is a hoax. This photo is AI spread on X and reddit to blame Biden.  No verified news sources as of 12/23/2024 have given a victim name or statement.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

a hoax posted by jay bird and liked by turtlespeed. You guys are so damn gullible. You'll believe anything your dear leader tells you.

IQ of a tomato.

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1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

a hoax posted by jay bird and liked by turtlespeed. You guys are so damn gullible. You'll believe anything your dear leader tells you.

IQ of a tomato.

Unfortunately.......

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/24/us/what-we-know-subway-fire-hnk/index.html

[SkyDekker 1,465]

4 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Unfortunately.......

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/24/us/what-we-know-subway-fire-hnk/index.html

https://www.newsweek.com/nyc-subway-fire-victim-amelia-carter-ai-misinformation-hoax-2005548