Killer as hero

[billvon 3,059]

9 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

The big difference is that the CEO murderer isn’t God.

Hopefully not!

But that doesn't make his killing any less of a bad thing.  Both killings were horrible even if both had some good outcomes.  (Whether or not Thompson's killing does actually result in anything good long term still remains to be seen, of course.)

[jaybird18c 24]

From the “More sacrifices to the First Amendment thread.” 

“I agree that those people are sick fucks.  But from what I can see, there are a lot more risk of that from straight people than trans people.

Mark Foley - propositioned teen Congressional aides, forced to resign
Joel Greenberg - sentenced for sex trafficking of underage girls
Ghislaine Maxwell - sentenced for sex trafficking of underage girls
Denny Hastert - sexually abused underage boys
Jim Jordan - supplied underage boys for Richard Strauss to abuse, then kept allegations quiet
Donald Trump - bragged about peeping on underage girls
Roy Moore - cruised local malls when he was in his 40's to hit on 14 and 16 year old girls
Matt Gaetz - under investigation for pedophilia and sex trafficking; quit government to dodge the investigation

So if your goal is to defend kids, spending your time targeting trans people will result in you missing the actual criminals and enablers.” - Billvon

(/sarcasm) But Bill…would it be appropriate to comment on all the good which “might” come from all of this? (\sarcasm)

[tkhayes 348]

On 12/9/2024 at 12:18 PM, riggerrob said:

While I can understand what motivated the shooter, I am appalled by the notion of political violence. ... perhaps because I met Alfred Pinisch many times before he died in an bumbled FLQ raid during August of 1964.

As many of you have read, I had my troubles amplified by a two-faced medical insurance company: Workmans' Compensation Board of British Columbia.

I am not all all appalled by some political violence. The American revolution, the French Revolution, June 6, 1944, and countless others

Gandhi even created much violence despite being the pacifist but much of it for a greater cause

 

its only political violence when you are on the losing side of it. 

[billvon 3,059]

6 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

(/sarcasm) But Bill…would it be appropriate to comment on all the good which “might” come from all of this? (\sarcasm)

What good came from any of that?

[jaybird18c 24]

6 minutes ago, billvon said:

What good came from any of that?

Guess we’ll never know. Maybe Trump’s daughter Ivanka will eventually become the first female President. That would be a good thing, right? You know…for women’s rights? (Sarcasm) You’re not sexist and are for women’s rights…correct?

Edited December 10, 2024 by jaybird18c

[billvon 3,059]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Guess we’ll never know. Maybe Trump’s daughter Ivanka will eventually become the first female President. That would be a good thing, right? You know…for women’s rights?

Don't think I agree that pedophilia leads to women presidents.   (i.e. it has no causal connection)

If Gaetz is eventually prosecuted, and that leads to a new law that provides additional protection for women in Congress - that might be a good outcome from a bad event.

[jaybird18c 24]

Given that Trump has been declared an existential threat to democracy and our way of life.

8 minutes ago, billvon said:

Don't think I agree that pedophilia leads to women presidents.   (i.e. it has no causal connection)

If Gaetz is eventually prosecuted, and that leads to a new law that provides additional protection for women in Congress - that might be a good outcome from a bad event.

Speaking of the appropriateness of the original quote to which I’ve been referring, there’s a big difference in immediately saying something to the effect of “Good” “Now maybe we can get these greedy MFers and make things more affordable for us” in the immediate aftermath of a murder and whether or not a law might be passed years from now which may improve the overall system…generally because he’s now dead. Goes back to the “asshole” analogy concerning this site which I’ve been suspended for.

Edited December 10, 2024 by jaybird18c

[jaybird18c 24]

10 minutes ago, billvon said:

Don't think I agree that pedophilia leads to women presidents.   (i.e. it has no causal connection)

Unless Ivanka eventually becomes President, right?

[gowlerk 2,246]

40 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

The big difference is that the CEO murderer isn’t God.

God decides elections. What makes you think he didn't arrange the murder?

[jaybird18c 24]

Just now, gowlerk said:

God decides elections. What makes you think he didn't arrange the murder?

God is sovereign over everything. That does not mean that he causes everything.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

5 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Given that Trump has been declared an existential threat to democracy and our way of life.

Speaking of the appropriateness of the original quote to which I’ve been referring, there’s a big difference in immediately saying something to the effect of “Good” “Now maybe we can get these greedy MFers and make things more affordable for us” in the immediate aftermath of a murder and whether or not a law might be passed years from now which may improve the overall system…generally because he’s now dead. Goes back to the “asshole” analogy concerning this site which I’ve been suspended for.

I'm not an asshole, I'm just fallen. That's good, no? Tell you what, for tenacity you get the win. It'd be easier to kick a hound dog off a ham bone than you off of this lonely crusade. 

[jaybird18c 24]

1 minute ago, JoeWeber said:

I'm not an asshole, I'm just fallen. That's good, no? Tell you what, for tenacity you get the win. It'd be easier to kick a hound dog off a ham bone than you off of this lonely crusade. 

I’m an asshole too! I guess that’s how I’ll go out when this site finally dies. However, I’d prefer a quick death rather than this long wait. Seriously.

[billvon 3,059]

39 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Unless Ivanka eventually becomes President, right?

No.  Still no causal connection.

Unless you think that the only reason Trump became president was because right wingers voted for him due to his pedophilic tendencies.  Unlikely.

[gowlerk 2,246]

5 hours ago, SethInMI said:

I'm not so sure this will be the eventual consensus take.  From the scrapes of his social and a few interviews with people who knew him, it sounds like he had some serious heath issues / chronic pain (back surgery).  He does feel more like a Ted Kaczynski that some "you killed my father, prepare to die" revenge story, but that doesn't make him just an entitled rich kid.  You make it sound like he was killing prostitutes for fun or something.

It is a little cloudy, but one thing is for sure. Deny, Defend, Depose is going to become a rallying cry. Corporate America is doing what it can to shut it down already.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

52 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

I’m an asshole too! I guess that’s how I’ll go out when this site finally dies. However, I’d prefer a quick death rather than this long wait. Seriously.

Never understood the sentiment, really. Me, I intend to hang on as long as possible no matter the inconvenience because, contrary to a number of claims unsupported by evidence, what comes after this once and done personal event is annihilation. That I'll hold off on as possible.

[normiss 843]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

It is a little cloudy, but one thing is for sure. Deny, Defend, Depose is going to become a rallying cry. Corporate America is doing what it can to shut it down already.

Seems kind of woke to me.

[billvon 3,059]

23 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Well, that’s not what he said and reading it with rose colored glasses doesn’t change it much.

Whatever you do, do NOT ever watch the Incredibles! 

In that woke movie, Bob Parr (former superhero) works for an evil CEO, Gilbert Huph, who demands he deny claims to all the covered people in his medical insurance company, Insuricare.  In one scene Parr is talking to an elderly woman who is on a fixed income and cannot afford her pills unless Insuricare covers them.  He grants her claim.  Huph yells at him for handing out money for their claims.  In a second scene, Parr is talking to elderly claimants, telling them the loopholes they can use to get their claims granted.  Huph again comes out, has Parr come into his office and starts screaming at Parr for working for the wrong people.  He should be working for Huph, not those suckers who have Insuricare coverage!

Huph starts to threaten Parr with being fired, but before he can finish his sentence, Parr grabs him by the neck and throws him through a wall.  Huph lands motionless on the floor.

In the next scene Huph is in intensive care with a broken neck and Parr is fired.  This is the event that begins Parr's return to being a crimefighting superhero.

Can you believe they show this sort of violence to KIDS?

[SethInMI 174]

one of my skydiver fb friends now has this as his profile pic, so clearly his un-masking has not damped all popularity.

 

[nigel99 559]

Thought this was pretty good advertising 

[riggerrob 643]

22 hours ago, gowlerk said:

God decides elections. What makes you think he didn't arrange the murder?

CEOs of wealthy corporations can buy elections in Russia, the USA, etc. At that level, there is little moral or economic difference between a Russian oligarch and a North American oligarch.

[jaybird18c 24]

9 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

CEOs of wealthy corporations can buy elections in Russia, the USA, etc. At that level, there is little moral or economic difference between a Russian oligarch and a North American oligarch.

So…..does that justify shooting them in the streets?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

6 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Thought this was pretty good advertising 

Not a chance that is real....not a chance.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

14 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

So…..does that justify shooting them in the streets?

Good question. I believe they should be falling out of windows.

[jaybird18c 24]

25 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Good question. I believe they should be falling out of windows.

Should you be falling out of windows? If not, why not?

[JoeWeber 2,810]

58 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Should you be falling out of windows? If not, why not?

Because he serves a higher purpose; his posts here, and what he inspires others to write, are uplifting and give meaning. His message of offering foregiveness and understanding to those who have less and who nature has left confused gives meaning and keeps me from being a complete asshole as, apparently, God intended. Come to think about it, maybe his words spread wider would help more folks like me if we did grab his silly self and drag him screaming upstairs to a 6th floor window and bombs away!