Feeling sorry for you guys

[jaybird18c 24]

49 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Oh please. 

A toilet takes shit and disposes of it into the sanitary sewer system for eventual treatement.

Jay's contributions just sit there and keep stinking.

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

 

Damn dude.

My three year old neighbor can come up with better comebacks.

Funny how often you think people should perform homosexual acts, not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's what you like.

[jaybird18c 24]

3 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Damn dude.

My three year old neighbor can come up with better comebacks.

Funny how often you think people should perform homosexual acts, not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's what you like.

I’m glad that you approve.

[billvon 2,995]

2 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

My three year old neighbor can come up with better comebacks.

Not in his mind!  In his mind he's totally owning you.  And not in a creepy gay way, because he's not that way at ALL.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

3 minutes ago, billvon said:

Not in his mind!  In his mind he's totally owning you.  And not in a creepy gay way, because he's not that way at ALL.

Yeah, he's got a lot going on 'in his mind'.

Not a lot of it has anything to do with reality, but that's his problem.

[turtlespeed 220]

and the echo chamber of lovers of the left keep going like an energizer bunny.

I wonder, do you guys speak to your colleagues like this when you dislike them, or is it just becasue you are sepoerated from their presence, or consequesnses of doing that.

The misplaced contempt and condescention.  Wow.  Like my 3 year old grandson when you tell him "No."

[normiss 801]

14 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

and the echo chamber of lovers of the left keep going like an energizer bunny.

I wonder, do you guys speak to your colleagues like this when you dislike them, or is it just becasue you are sepoerated from their presence, or consequesnses of doing that.

The misplaced contempt and condescention.  Wow.  Like my 3 year old grandson when you tell him "No."

Because English.

[turtlespeed 220]

5 minutes ago, normiss said:

Because English.

You mean like John Kallend?

I don't have anything against the English, personally.  

Some of my best friends were English.

 

[normiss 801]

4 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

You mean like John Kallend?

I don't have anything against the English, personally.  

Some of my best friends were English.

 

You seem to have an almost violent relationship with English.

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, normiss said:

You seem to have an almost violent relationship with English.

Oh yu mean th grammer ant spelings mitakes.

<Shrug>

Sometimes I care more than others to spend time correcting.  I've never been a very good typist.  I've also sometimes lacked in remembered spellings.

What difference, at this point, does it make?

[billvon 2,995]

58 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

What difference, at this point, does it make?

None at all, here, since all this will be going away soon.

But out in the real world, if you are trying to make a point - but can't intelligibly express the point you are trying to make - it will be less effective.  Consider it the equivalent of a Texas taxi driver who insists that you tip him but can't speak English.  Is it your responsibility to understand his mangled Spanglish, or is it his responsibility to speak your language if he wants to communicate with you?

[kallend 2,027]

Back when I was a college dean, I insisted that all freshmen engineers had to pass written English at college level in order to move on, and pass more humanities than the engineering accreditation criteria called for in order to graduate.

 

[turtlespeed 220]

18 hours ago, kallend said:

Back when I was a college dean, I insisted that all freshmen engineers had to pass written English at college level in order to move on, and pass more humanities than the engineering accreditation criteria called for in order to graduate.

 

There's nothing quite like forced indoctrination, is there?!!

[jaybird18c 24]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

There's nothing quite like forced indoctrination, is there?!!

Professors are very comfortable in their elevated academic bubbles. They can brow-beat the real world from on high without ever actually having to take much risk. Then they can tell everyone else how they “should” live.

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, jaybird18c said:

Professors are very comfortable in their elevated academic bubbles. They can brow-beat the real world from on high without ever actually having to take much risk. Then they can tell everyone else how they “should” live.

There is no "Live and Let Live" with them.

You must think like them.  They are, after all,193% right in their own minds.

[jaybird18c 24]

37 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

There is no "Live and Let Live" with them.

You must think like them.  They are, after all,193% right in their own minds.

They’re here to save the world from themselves man!

[wmw999 2,449]

So you're disagreeing with the concept of college requiring some competency in the English language? Or just with the concept of Kallend actually having authority?

Wendy P.

[jaybird18c 24]

Just now, wmw999 said:

So you're disagreeing with the concept of college requiring some competency in the English language? Or just with the concept of Kallend actually having authority?

Wendy P.

No. Just the prioritization of humanities over engineering in an engineering curriculum.

[riggerrob 643]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

No. Just the prioritization of humanities over engineering in an engineering curriculum.

Engineers need to be able to write enough English to communicate with other engineers, upwards to executives and down to the mechanics who bend the wrenches. Just before Christmas I was joking with some of the engineers at work and one mentioned another engineer who is borderline autistic. He is very good at his software job, but prefers to work alone. They do not assign any apprentices/co-op students to work with him.

He does have a sense of humour, but it is mostly in German. He jokes about the region where he grew up and where I served almost 40 years ago. 

The technical writers and maintenance instructors are far more cheerful and open to chat. Back when I wrote parachute packing manuals, I felt like I was translating from the designer (Manley Butler and Sandy Reid) down to simplified lingo that semi-literate riggers could understand. I tried to make my manuals a series of photographs illustrating the the key points in the packing process. Text was more to keep the lawyers at bay.

Forget about writing instructions to riggers or technicians in legal "boilerplate" as none of them can read that obscure dialect. Hah! Hah!

Thank you for reading my rant about the minimum level of communication skills required by engineers.

[turtlespeed 220]

36 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

So you're disagreeing with the concept of college requiring some competency in the English language? Or just with the concept of Kallend actually having authority?

Wendy P.

The college already has basics, right?

What Humanity classes are needed to be forced on someone? 

Why does that get added to the curriculum cost?  If demanded by the dean, the college should offer those classes gratis.

 

[BIGUN 1,317]

42 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

No. Just the prioritization of humanities over engineering in an engineering curriculum.

He did not prioiritize humanites over engineering - in addiiton to. My suspicion is Kallend being a well-read scholar found Aristotle's model of liberal arts to be of value. To be more well-rounded in many subjects other than their major - For what is an engineer that cannot speak/present to a group other than engineers?

[kallend 2,027]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

There's nothing quite like forced indoctrination, is there?!!

Do you have any idea how stupid you come across?  

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, kallend said:

Do you have any idea how stupid you come across?  

I keep answering this.  You are boring for the repeated same question.

The answer is, "No more than you." So, yes, yes I do.

Edited December 28, 2024 by turtlespeed

[kallend 2,027]

51 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

The college already has basics, right?

What Humanity classes are needed to be forced on someone? 

Why does that get added to the curriculum cost?  If demanded by the dean, the college should offer those classes gratis.

 

The original suggestion came from employers of recent engineering graduates (not only ours) who identified a clear need for better communication skills.  The Accreditation Commission (ABET) agreed. 

Of course, I'm sure YOU know better than members of the profession. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,364]

1 minute ago, kallend said:

The original suggestion came from employers of recent engineering graduates (not only ours) who identified a clear need for better communication skills.  The Accreditation Commission (ABET) agreed. 

Of course, I'm sure YOU know better than members of the profession. 

Hi John,

I graduated in 1971 with a BS in Mech. Engr.  Where I worked for 30 yrs, we had about 600 engineers employed.  IMO the high-lighted portion above could not be more true. *

Jerry Baumchen

* And, this includes me.