Nah nobody wants to control what type of car to buy

[BartsDaddy 7]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fury-as-california-gets-green-light-to-ban-all-gas-cars-in-dem-state/ar-AA1w7hBI?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=3766606aa93a4131dd802e4ddd27b984&ei=26

California still at it

Edited December 18, 2024 by BartsDaddy
Left a r out of subject

[wmw999 2,444]

Well, it only applies to new cars sold in California. Used ones, out of state ones, all fine. And given how the mountains trap smog so badly, whose lungs are you willing to fuck up so that people can drive a Hummer? Preferably, of course, with cheap subsidized gasoline.

Kind of like guns. They’re just making it harder for the lazy. You can still buy antique cars that use leaded gas, too.

Wendy P. 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

1 minute ago, wmw999 said:

... You can still buy antique cars that use leaded gas, too.

Wendy P. 

While you can buy older cars (1974 and earlier) that were meant to use leaded gas, the sale of it for use in an on road car was prohibited in 1996.
Doesn't mean you can't find it (avgas), and you certainly aren't going to get caught.

But it's expensive and not easy to find. 
(yes, you can get 100LL avgas at any airport, but they won't put it in your car and I somewhat doubt they'd be willing to fill a bunch of 5 gal gas cans)

[BartsDaddy 7]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Well, it only applies to new cars sold in California. Used ones, out of state ones, all fine. 

Sure you can buy a new one out of state and then you have to put 7500 miles on it before you can register it in californa.

 

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

You can still buy antique cars that use leaded gas, too.

 

And then have to spend the money to replace the valve seats to be able to run the unleaded fuel that is available. And then it still isnt new or as safe as a new model.

 

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

 

Kind of like guns. They’re just making it harder for the lazy. 

So the people that obey Californias gun laws are just lazy? If I was to go out of state to buy a gun to bring back into California I would be breaking multiple gun laws.

[billvon 2,990]

59 minutes ago, BartsDaddy said:

And then have to spend the money to replace the valve seats to be able to run the unleaded fuel that is available. And then it still isnt new or as safe as a new model.

I guess you have to make a decision on what you want, then.  New and cleaner or older and dirtier?

O the horror!  Forced to make a DECISION!  It's unAmerican and socialist and woke I tell you.

[BartsDaddy 7]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

I guess you have to make a decision on what you want, then.  New and cleaner or older and dirtier?

O the horror!  Forced to make a DECISION!  It's unAmerican and socialist and woke I tell you.

no its not unamerican or socialist or woke. But it is trying to make people buy a certain type of car. i dont understand why you refuse to admit that. The lawmakers that are pushing this admit that i dont know why you cant.

Edited December 19, 2024 by BartsDaddy

[billvon 2,990]

13 minutes ago, BartsDaddy said:

no its not unamerican or socialist or woke. But it is trying to make people buy a certain type of car. i dont understand why you refuse to admit that.

I will bet you $1000 that 10 years from now you will still be able to buy a gas car in every state in the US.  They say this sort of thing all the time.  It never happens.  It's just politicians bloviating.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

13 hours ago, BartsDaddy said:

Sure you can buy a new one out of state and then you have to put 7500 miles on it before you can register it in californa.

The invented these trucks that you can put a car on for transportation...pretty cool.

[BartsDaddy 7]

23 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

The invented these trucks that you can put a car on for transportation...pretty cool.

That dosent change the fact that California requires the new vehicle coming from out of state has to have a minmum of 7500 miles on it to register it

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, BartsDaddy said:

That dosent change the fact that California requires the new vehicle coming from out of state has to have a minmum of 7500 miles on it to register it

ahhh ok. misunderstood. Thanks!

[kallend 2,026]

18 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

While you can buy older cars (1974 and earlier) that were meant to use leaded gas, the sale of it for use in an on road car was prohibited in 1996.
Doesn't mean you can't find it (avgas), and you certainly aren't going to get caught.

But it's expensive and not easy to find. 
(yes, you can get 100LL avgas at any airport, but they won't put it in your car and I somewhat doubt they'd be willing to fill a bunch of 5 gal gas cans)

The airport where my plane is based  is self service.

[NewGuy2005 53]

On 12/18/2024 at 6:07 PM, wmw999 said:

Well, it only applies to new cars sold in California. Used ones, out of state ones, all fine. And given how the mountains trap smog so badly, whose lungs are you willing to fuck up so that people can drive a Hummer? Preferably, of course, with cheap subsidized gasoline.

Kind of like guns. They’re just making it harder for the lazy. You can still buy antique cars that use leaded gas, too.

Wendy P. 

LOL.  This reminds me of the hysteria over government overreach back in the '70s when they phased out leaded gas.  To listen to them, you would think it was the end of the world.  Along with fuel injection, it was one of the best things to ever happen to cars.

Decades later, there's a reduction in violent crime that may be attributable to the elimination of lead in gasoline, among other things.  

[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

3 hours ago, NewGuy2005 said:

LOL.  This reminds me of the hysteria over government overreach back in the '70s when they phased out leaded gas.  To listen to them, you would think it was the end of the world.  Along with fuel injection, it was one of the best things to ever happen to cars.

Decades later, there's a reduction in violent crime that may be attributable to the elimination of lead in gasoline, among other things.  

Hi 2005,

Re:  Along with fuel injection, it was one of the best things to ever happen to cars.

In 1956, I got my first car; a '47 Chevy.  The in-line 6-cyl engine produced 90 HP with a 216 cu inch [ 3.5 liter ] engine.

Today,  [ as an example only ] the Honda Accord 4-cyl in-line [ 1.5 liter ] engine produces 192 HP.

It is mainly because of fuel injection & the advances with it.

'We've come a long way, baby.'

Jerry Baumchen

 

[billvon 2,990]

4 hours ago, NewGuy2005 said:

LOL.  This reminds me of the hysteria over government overreach back in the '70s when they phased out leaded gas.  To listen to them, you would think it was the end of the world.  Along with fuel injection, it was one of the best things to ever happen to cars.

Lee Iacocca, 1972: "If the EPA does not suspend the catalytic converter rule, it will cause Ford to shut down."

Alan Loofborrow of Chrysler, 1975: CAFE will "outlaw a number of engine lines and car models including most full-size sedans and station wagons. It would restrict the industry to producing subcompact size cars-or even smaller ones-within five years."

Ford executive, 1977: CAFE would result "in a Ford product line consisting either of all sub-Pinto sized vehicles..."

Which is why Ford is now out of business and the only cars on the road today are smaller than Pintos.

Ford and Chrysler are as good at BrentHutch at predicting the future.

[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

4 minutes ago, billvon said:

Lee Iacocca, 1972: "If the EPA does not suspend the catalytic converter rule, it will cause Ford to shut down."

Alan Loofborrow of Chrysler, 1975: CAFE will "outlaw a number of engine lines and car models including most full-size sedans and station wagons. It would restrict the industry to producing subcompact size cars-or even smaller ones-within five years."

Ford executive, 1977: CAFE would result "in a Ford product line consisting either of all sub-Pinto sized vehicles..."

Which is why Ford is now out of business and the only cars on the road today are smaller than Pintos.

Ford and Chrysler are as good at BrentHutch at predicting the future.

Hi Bill,

Re:  Lee Iacocca, 1972: "If the EPA does not suspend the catalytic converter rule, it will cause Ford to shut down."

And, as the head of Chrysler, he railed against air bags.  

Jerry Baumchen

 

[brenthutch 444]

“Nobody is going to tell you what kind of car to buy”

OR

”We  are going to tell you what kind of car to buy, but that’s a good thing”

Which is it?