JerryBaumchen 1,384 #126 February 21 Hi folks, More satisfied voters? Daniel Jepsen is normally too busy to keep up with politics, but even he’s paying attention now. Oregon wheat farmers brace for boomerang effects of Trump’s international aid program freeze - oregonlive.com Eastern Oregon is Trump country. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,384 #127 February 21 Hi folks, Happy voters? Many of the attendees expressed frustration and anger with President Donald Trump U.S. Rep. Rich McCormick held a town hall Thursday. Constituents gave him an earful | Georgia Public Broadcasting Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #128 February 22 (edited) On 2/14/2025 at 4:23 AM, BIGUN said: I agreed there should be a tribunal and "if" guilty. That would be a bad assumption. "Generals what do we need to roll back and what do we need to do moving forward?" Without buyoff from the lower levels; you'll never have commitment, only compliance. Article 88 Contempt is a slam dunk in his written words, the evidence.Violating the Chain.A many lesson on standards will be learned. The other upshot, it's Amazing how fast recruitment is back on par. Edited February 22 by richravizza Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #129 February 23 (edited) On 2/21/2025 at 1:43 PM, JerryBaumchen said: Hi folks, Happy voters? Many of the attendees expressed frustration and anger with President Donald Trump U.S. Rep. Rich McCormick held a town hall Thursday. Constituents gave him an earful | Georgia Public Broadcasting Jerry Baumchen What's the saying...You can't please them all.I was hoping there would be pitchforks.lol How many people can OD on six pounds of fent? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tom-homan-tells-migrant-terror-groups-trump-wipe-you-off-face-earth Coming to a city near you,Boston your next. https://www.wcvb.com/article/homan-border-czar-bringing-hell-boston-cox/63884633 "I looked at the numbers this morning. I counted, I stopped counting at nine child rapists that were in jail in Massachusetts. But rather than honoring an ICE detainer, release them back into the street," Homan said. "You're not a police commissioner. Take that badge off your chest, put it in the desk drawer because you became a politician. You forgot what it's like to be a cop." Edited February 23 by richravizza Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogyks 6 #130 February 23 7 hours ago, richravizza said: If the only things that are are accomplished by this administration are balancing the budget and removing woke nonsense from government and government funded entities, picking Trump over Harris is a no brainer. Failing to address the staggering debt amassed by the US is not an option. It may be possible to avoid catastrophe by a complete paradigm shift, but it is going to be painful either way. We've been whistling past the graveyard for too long. Gender change can wait until one reaches majority, at which point who cares? On children it amounts to child abuse and deserves treatment as a felony. The discrimination in DEI is both unconstitutional and immoral. Having said all that, Trump is a truly awful human being, and such things as his take on Ukraine are simply jaw dropping. If we can balance the budget, put woke to bed without supper, and keep Trump from fucking up anything else too badly, perhaps having the nauseating sonofabitch around for this term will be worth it. At least he's an improvement over Harris, but that's not saying much. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,056 #131 February 23 47 minutes ago, dogyks said: If the only things that are are accomplished by this administration are balancing the budget and removing woke nonsense from government and government funded entities, picking Trump over Harris is a no brainer. Failing to address the staggering debt amassed by the US is not an option. It may be possible to avoid catastrophe by a complete paradigm shift, but it is going to be painful either way. We've been whistling past the graveyard for too long. . . . . If we can balance the budget, put woke to bed without supper, and keep Trump from fucking up anything else too badly, perhaps having the nauseating sonofabitch around for this term will be worth it. At least he's an improvement over Harris, but that's not saying much. In my lifetime which is now quite long, GOP administrations have added more to the debt than Dem ones. That included Reagan (tripled the debt) and Trump 1, both of whom railed against deficits. If you think Trump 2 will do anything different, I have a nice bridge for sale. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogyks 6 #132 February 23 24 minutes ago, kallend said: In my lifetime which is now quite long, GOP administrations have added more to the debt than Dem ones. That included Reagan (tripled the debt) and Trump 1, both of whom railed against deficits. If you think Trump 2 will do anything different, I have a nice bridge for sale. I agree Reagan was arithmetically illiterate, and the track record of both sides is poor. Trump's previous tenure left much to be desired as well. The fact that this time he has people making decisions who are following a pseudo viable playbook gives hope for the first 100 days at least. How much are you asking for the bridge? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,338 #133 February 23 1 hour ago, kallend said: In my lifetime which is now quite long, GOP administrations have added more to the debt than Dem ones. That included Reagan (tripled the debt) and Trump 1, both of whom railed against deficits. Both sides are equally responsible. And, for the first year, the debt incurred is a result of the last administration until the end of the following fiscal year in October. Here's a chart of each adminsitration's contribution to that debt - and the main issue is paying or preparing for fucking war. https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,028 #134 February 23 10 minutes ago, BIGUN said: Both sides are equally responsible. I'd say the side that added more debt is more responsible. Both republican and democratic presidents have presided over wars; in the long run it averages out. The one thing that does NOT average out is the republican tendency to cut taxes and increase spending. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,760 #135 February 23 16 minutes ago, BIGUN said: Both sides are equally responsible. And, for the first year, the debt incurred is a result of the last administration until the end of the following fiscal year in October. Here's a chart of each adminsitration's contribution to that debt - and the main issue is paying or preparing for fucking war. https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225 Mr. we could use a man, like Herbert Hoover, again 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 485 #136 February 23 2 hours ago, dogyks said: Failing to address the staggering debt amassed by the US is not an option. It may be possible to avoid catastrophe by a complete paradigm shift, but it is going to be painful either way. We've been whistling past the graveyard for too long. All of a sudden there's millions more economic experts defending Trump... Simple question, what was going to happen if the debt wasn't addressed? And when? As JoeWeber said before, national debt isn't like a restaurant bill divided up after dinner. Are you an economist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,760 #137 February 23 1 hour ago, dogyks said: I agree Reagan was arithmetically illiterate, and the track record of both sides is poor. Trump's previous tenure left much to be desired as well. The fact that this time he has people making decisions who are following a pseudo viable playbook gives hope for the first 100 days at least. How much are you asking for the bridge? The current asking price is an extortion price of $500 Billion USD in mineral wealth for around $150 Billion in military assistance thus far (mostly in the supply of surplus military equipment we no longer pay storage on), 9/10ths of the National soul for selling out to Russia and destroying an alliance that has kept us safe for 75 years, and the miserable knowledge that otherwise credible people voted for Jill Stein instead of either candidate last election. Shipping not included. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,338 #138 February 23 8 minutes ago, billvon said: The one thing that does NOT average out is the republican tendency to cut taxes and increase spending. Side step. As opposed to increasing taxes and increasing spending? Both sides are responsible. Don't you think it strange that neither side jumps on a balanced budget bandwagon. There's always talk, but when it comes up, both sides scatter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,760 #139 February 23 7 minutes ago, BIGUN said: Side step. As opposed to increasing taxes and increasing spending? Both sides are responsible. Don't you think it strange that neither side jumps on a balanced budget bandwagon. There's always talk, but when it comes up, both sides scatter. It's called the evolution of societies. Real change won't happen until small children are asking: Mommy, how come only the people in the big houses get to eat?". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,384 #140 February 23 2 hours ago, kallend said: In my lifetime which is now quite long, GOP administrations have added more to the debt than Dem ones. That included Reagan (tripled the debt) and Trump 1, both of whom railed against deficits. If you think Trump 2 will do anything different, I have a nice bridge for sale. Hi John, I've been around a little longer than you & could not agree more. The real con is that so many GOP candidates [ think Reagan first ] campaigned on reducing the debt. Let us not forget what P. T. Barnum told us, 'There is a sucker born every minute.' Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,384 #141 February 23 Hi folks, This nails it: Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,528 #142 February 23 4 hours ago, dogyks said: If the only things that are are accomplished by this administration are balancing the budget You think that's going to be accomplished? Massive LOL. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 485 #143 February 23 4 hours ago, dogyks said: If we can balance the budget Yeah, not going to happen. Elon did pretty much the same thing to Twitter. What happened was he reduced spending, but he also tanked revenue so - according to Elon himself - it's still "barely breaking even". But he lost millions of users too so it's just a much smaller company in all measures (valuation, user count, expenses, revenue). So my guess is they *won't* balance the budget, but make the US a smaller, weaker country while China pushes forward and becomes the new number 1. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,028 #144 February 23 3 hours ago, BIGUN said: Side step. As opposed to increasing taxes and increasing spending? Both sides are responsible. One side increases taxes and spending. This raises the deficit slowly. The other decreases taxes and increases spending. This raises the deficit rapidly. One is worse than the other. If deficit reduction is your goal, democrats are hands down a better option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,338 #145 February 23 30 minutes ago, billvon said: ncreases taxes and spending. This raises the deficit slowly. We're kinda debating towards the same goal Reducing the debt-to-GDP ratio depends on how the deficit is corrected. If surplus is increased by raising taxes, the downturn in growth raises rather than reduces the debt-to-GDP ratio. Deficit reduction policies based on spending cuts have almost no effect on output, so they are a sure bet for a reduction in debt to GDP. I think for me/you; we might like to see a solid congressional law as to a firm debt-to-GDP ratio. Course, it all goes to shit during war, disasters, et.al. Course, I'm not an economist, so I can't lay out the best plan (Hell, I don't even think they can come up with one). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,760 #146 February 23 37 minutes ago, billvon said: One side increases taxes and spending. This raises the deficit slowly. The other decreases taxes and increases spending. This raises the deficit rapidly. One is worse than the other. If deficit reduction is your goal, democrats are hands down a better option. The debt alarmists won't stop beating the war drum no matter the explanations. Speaking of war drums, if you go back 250 years of American history and make a national debt graph it becomes obvious that the most expensive thing in terms of national debt we've ever done is get rid of the Indians. Probably nothing we can do about it now, I reckon. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,028 #147 February 23 1 hour ago, BIGUN said: If surplus is increased by raising taxes, the downturn in growth raises rather than reduces the debt-to-GDP ratio. During wartime economies, our economies have grown rapidly due to those higher taxes being used to employ people to build war materiel - even though taxes reached higher than 90% during the WWII postwar economic boom. Thus what you do with that money matters quite a bit. Which is why IMO it is a mistake to link taxation to economic growth. They are linked - but in both positive and negative ways. For example, Trump's firing of tens of thousands will cause unemployment to skyrocket and the economy to decline overall. This will not be made up for with reduced taxation, since most of those will go to the rich - and tax cuts for the rich traditionally do not stimulate the economy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,216 #148 February 24 9 hours ago, dogyks said: If the only things that are are accomplished by this administration are balancing the budget They will not even attempt to balance the budget. They may possibly somewhat reduce expenditures, but likely not. They will for sure increase the deficit by cutting taxes. Especially corporate taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #149 February 24 8 hours ago, dogyks said: If the only things that are are accomplished by this administration are balancing the budget and removing woke nonsense from government and government funded entities, picking Trump over Harris is a no brainer. Failing to address the staggering debt amassed by the US is not an option. It may be possible to avoid catastrophe by a complete paradigm shift, but it is going to be painful either way. We've been whistling past the graveyard for too long. Gender change can wait until one reaches majority, at which point who cares? On children it amounts to child abuse and deserves treatment as a felony. The discrimination in DEI is both unconstitutional and immoral. Having said all that, Trump is a truly awful human being, and such things as his take on Ukraine are simply jaw dropping. If we can balance the budget, put woke to bed without supper, and keep Trump from fucking up anything else too badly, perhaps having the nauseating sonofabitch around for this term will be worth it. At least he's an improvement over Harris, but that's not saying much. Word.. I agree in your first four points completely,but you're breezing by battles hard fought and not yet won. Please Don't stop fighting.On the gender thing,porn and queer books and themes continue in our schools, and continues to be ignored. When it was mentioned and outted, it was labeled as conspiracy,nut baggery and worthy of the terror watch list. Racist Baby, Not all boys are blue, bought with your tax dollars.CA's Newsome is following Gov Walz in putting Tampons in the Boys room and allowing child rapists to evade ICE. Sanctuary city policy of course is taxpayer funded. Bio Males are still taking girls equity....So, It's not over, not by a longshot, the rot, all of it,(die,gender, grievance studies,ect) extends deep into the Academies and its massive Bureaucracies. Believing it's dead would make us Fools. BINGO! "The discrimination in DEI is both unconstitutional and immoral".We Got a Winner! Problem is; they don't believe it, as many posters here will defend it.As they would for Sanctuary city policies.Unfortunately we don't have a magic wand.lol and Like a weed the root needs to be completely removed in the courts.Harvard said they would defy the ruling that Day . The long march thru the institutions has been complete. Ignore Trump Art of the deal tactics, it will drive you nuts. Outrageous,scary,funny,obscene,moronic hypocritical delusional are all part of his game. 19th hole... diet coke time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 28 #150 February 24 (edited) 6 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi folks, This nails it: Jerry Baumchen Way better taste than Tom Hanks rendition of a republicain. 24 hours later,like a bud light he ended up being Hilarious,and 50% lighter.Godzilla likes radiation so he must be off to the Ukraine. Democrats haven't realized, Abuse and neglect has its consequences. Edited February 24 by richravizza Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
