More mass carrings - Need more car laws

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Why aren't you anti-car!!!???

https://news.google.com/read/CBMijgFBVV95cUxQYm9tYXYzbDlQNEh5UWVSeXNGdWE1YklvdW5LQWcwVllCZFQxajREcVVsU0t3QUhEdEJ5Wkk4Zl96SGNXb2xlSjhkdlZyOGhaX3ZKb2d3SkNISWtTMWV2NjRFaTZxdFNJSWdlYzBOMXh3Uk5CUV95RXg5cGpLOW5BWGZGR1Z2U3YzYmpLQzFB0gGOAUFVX3lxTFAzZnMxUDZjMU9WSHRsMm5ZOHB0a2VRSlJEVGN1cW5lQ1ZIRDlqRmEydTdnalctVjFjUnNQZlJ1bGUxTTJJNVF6b2xiRWVZaFdCUFFtcE5pZk5DWlpUMXM5dmlOVzNBYXBGZmVyaVRvWGRMelRSeEJDZ0Q3Rm9RRm1wR2w0QjFfbnE4d2RCOGc?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

[olofscience 480]

• You already need a license to drive a car. In the US you don't need a license to own a gun.
  • In Germany, getting a driving license is much more difficult than in the US
• A car's primary use is transportation, not killing. What's a gun's primary use?
• Finally, this guy seems to be far-right (AfD supporter). Elon supports the AfD.

ONE attack with a car recently. How many mass shootings in the US so far? You seem to be very bad with numbers. Like, basic counting...

[tkhayes 348]

18 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Why aren't you anti-car!!!???

https://news.google.com/read/CBMijgFBVV95cUxQYm9tYXYzbDlQNEh5UWVSeXNGdWE1YklvdW5LQWcwVllCZFQxajREcVVsU0t3QUhEdEJ5Wkk4Zl96SGNXb2xlSjhkdlZyOGhaX3ZKb2d3SkNISWtTMWV2NjRFaTZxdFNJSWdlYzBOMXh3Uk5CUV95RXg5cGpLOW5BWGZGR1Z2U3YzYmpLQzFB0gGOAUFVX3lxTFAzZnMxUDZjMU9WSHRsMm5ZOHB0a2VRSlJEVGN1cW5lQ1ZIRDlqRmEydTdnalctVjFjUnNQZlJ1bGUxTTJJNVF6b2xiRWVZaFdCUFFtcE5pZk5DWlpUMXM5dmlOVzNBYXBGZmVyaVRvWGRMelRSeEJDZ0Q3Rm9RRm1wR2w0QjFfbnE4d2RCOGc?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Not anti car. Not anti gun either but you keep parroting the same bullshit making claims about things that don’t exist

which laws again do you support? or do you only disagree with laws that you disagree with and then claim that laws don’t work in only those cases?

at least you are consistently inconsistent 

[tkhayes 348]

3 hours ago, olofscience said:

• You already need a license to drive a car. In the US you don't need a license to own a gun.
  • In Germany, getting a driving license is much more difficult than in the US
• A car's primary use is transportation, not killing. What's a gun's primary use?
• Finally, this guy seems to be far-right (AfD supporter). Elon supports the AfD.

ONE attack with a car recently. How many mass shootings in the US so far? You seem to be very bad with numbers. Like, basic counting...

Now now. Don’t be being facts and data into an ideology discussion!

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, tkhayes said:

Not anti car. Not anti gun either but you keep parroting the same bullshit making claims about things that don’t exist

which laws again do you support? or do you only disagree with laws that you disagree with and then claim that laws don’t work in only those cases?

at least you are consistently inconsistent 

OK - then going back to Jakees scenario - Maybe Anti Spoon?

Do I only disagree with laws that I disagree with?  It really depends on the law.  Some laws that I agree with, I disagree with and some I don't.

Lets go deeper into fixing the cultures in those cities, I noticed that was dropped and pushed aside.

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Get back to me when military and police forces start using cars as primary tools for bring down enemies.

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

Now now. Don’t be being facts and data into an ideology discussion!

• You already need a license to drive a car. In the US you don't need a license to own a gun.
  • In order to buy a gun you have to pass a certain amount of requirements.
    • In Germany, getting a driving license is much more difficult than in the US
      • That didn't seem to matter did it?  They need to make it still harder to get a license and institute many more laws!
• A car's primary use is transportation, not killing. What's a gun's primary use?
  • Defense
• Finally, this guy seems to be far-right (AfD supporter). Elon supports the AfD.
  • Correlation is not causality.

ONE attack with a car recently. How many mass shootings in the US so far? You seem to be very bad with numbers. Like, basic counting...

And you seem to have a very closed mind, and a propensity to try lame insults.

[tkhayes 348]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

• You already need a license to drive a car. In the US you don't need a license to own a gun.
  • In order to buy a gun you have to pass a certain amount of requirements.
    • In Germany, getting a driving license is much more difficult than in the US
      • That didn't seem to matter did it?  They need to make it still harder to get a license and institute many more laws!
• A car's primary use is transportation, not killing. What's a gun's primary use?
  • Defense
• Finally, this guy seems to be far-right (AfD supporter). Elon supports the AfD.
  • Correlation is not causality.

ONE attack with a car recently. How many mass shootings in the US so far? You seem to be very bad with numbers. Like, basic counting...

And you seem to have a very closed mind, and a propensity to try lame insults.

I would be pretty comfortable with people that own guns being regulated in similar ways to people owning cars

sound like you are onboard as well?

[tkhayes 348]

7 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

OK - then going back to Jakees scenario - Maybe Anti Spoon?

Do I only disagree with laws that I disagree with?  It really depends on the law.  Some laws that I agree with, I disagree with and some I don't.

Lets go deeper into fixing the cultures in those cities, I noticed that was dropped and pushed aside.

It is paradoxically silly of you to claim that laws don’t work and then claim that you like some laws…. I assume because you think they work?

once again, not sure if you realize that we can hear you….?

Edited December 21, 2024 by tkhayes

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

I would be pretty comfortable with people that own guns being regulated in similar ways to people owning cars

sound like you are onboard as well?

Not really.

There are a lot of stupid stupid nanny state rules for driving.

[tkhayes 348]

9 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

 

Lets go deeper into fixing the cultures in those cities, I noticed that was dropped and pushed aside.

Let’s not given that it is just another distraction

mass shootings happen everywhere. Individual shootings happen everywhere. Husbands and boyfriends kill their wives and girlfriends everywhere. Children shoot other children everywhere

but ONLY in America at the rates that American see

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

It is paradoxically silly of you to claim that laws don’t work and then claim that you like some laws…. I assume because you think they work?

once again, not sure if you realize that we can hear you….?

So its all black and white to you - either you like all laws and have to accept every one of  them, or you hate all laws and are an anarchist?  

 

[tkhayes 348]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

Not really.

There are a lot of stupid stupid nanny state rules for driving.

Which would then assume that you AGREE that some car laws are effective thus contradicting yourself?

[tkhayes 348]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

So its all black and white to you - either you like all laws and have to accept every one of  them, or you hate all laws and are an anarchist?  

 

I never said that. YOU did. You said gun laws are not effective and ignore every other country where they are effective

YOUR CLAIM, not mine. We are just trying to get past you contradictions goalpost moving distractions and ignorance of obvious data

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, tkhayes said:

Let’s not given that it is just another distraction

mass shootings happen everywhere. Individual shootings happen everywhere. Husbands and boyfriends kill their wives and girlfriends everywhere. Children shoot other children everywhere

but ONLY in America at the rates that American see

Where is that concentrated the most?

Where are the greatest possibilities for what you describe happening?

Fix those areas first THEN try to affect people in out lying areas, if its even neccessary.

Why do democrats want to control peoples lives so much?  Why not let people just be free?

[turtlespeed 220]

1 minute ago, tkhayes said:

I never said that. YOU did. You said gun laws are not effective and ignore every other country where they are effective

YOUR CLAIM, not mine. We are just trying to get past you contradictions goalpost moving distractions and ignorance of obvious data

Oh - I guess I assumed you would already realise that the US isnt like any other country in the world.  Sorry, My Bad.

OK - so - you would have the US mimic Australia, I assume.

HOW would you go about changing the constitution to make that happen?

Why would you want to place that kind of control on people?  Do you know that much more about whats good for them?

[tkhayes 348]

25 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Oh - I guess I assumed you would already realise that the US isnt like any other country in the world.  Sorry, My Bad.

OK - so - you would have the US mimic Australia, I assume.

HOW would you go about changing the constitution to make that happen?

Why would you want to place that kind of control on people?  Do you know that much more about whats good for them?

So you are not going addresses the claim YOU made about laws not working while you simultaneously state that some laws work?

thanks for confirming what I said about how you work and the things you do

are there effective laws on the books?  Yes or no

are there effective gun laws in other countries? Yes or no

is there a specific reason that some similar laws could not be enacted in the USA to improve gun violence?

still waiting for you to answer how we are safer in the USA with all the guns and current gun laws here. I notice that you had to go to the trouble of starting a completely new thread to move the goalposts and avoid that altogether 

[tkhayes 348]

Just now, tkhayes said:

So you are not going addresses the claim YOU made about laws not working while you simultaneously state that some laws work?

thanks for confirming what I said about how you work and the things you do

are there effective laws on the books?  Yes or no

are there effective gun laws in other countries? Yes or no

is there a specific reason that some similar laws could not be enacted in the USA to improve gun violence?

still waiting for you to answer how we are safer in the USA with all the guns and current gun laws here. I notice that you had to go to the trouble of starting a completely new thread to move the goalposts and avoid that altogether 

 

29 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Why would you want to place that kind of control on people?  Do you know that much more about whats good for them?

Geez let me think, to reduce murder, death, injury, destruction, damage and the related costs on my fellow Americans, their lives, the medical system, the judicial system, the cost to society, the damage to families and relationships and the general burden that excessive gun violence brings to any society

care to respond?  Or it is all about you?what about ‘them’?

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, tkhayes said:

So you are not going addresses the claim YOU made about laws not working while you simultaneously state that some laws work?

-- Address how? Is it not obvious that the laws in place fail to work as intended?  

thanks for confirming what I said about how you work and the things you do

are there effective laws on the books?  Yes or no

-- Subjective, but no.  No law works absolutely.  Any law works at least .001% for what it was intended, but that doesnt make it a just law.

are there effective gun laws in other countries? Yes or no

- - It would seem not when you have to start from a point where no other country, that I am aware of, has a second amendment in their constitution.

Quite a few have ultra restrictive laws.  Which are anti-freedom.

is there a specific reason that some similar laws could not be enacted in the USA to improve gun violence?

---I would rather not improve gun violence - I would rather reduce the violence with personal accountability, education, and experience.  I'm not really into denying people their rights.

still waiting for you to answer how we are safer in the USA with all the guns and current gun laws here. I notice that you had to go to the trouble of starting a completely new thread to move the goalposts and avoid that altogether 

--We have the ability to be safer, but the hot spots are not dealt with correctly.

 

[turtlespeed 220]

7 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

 

Geez let me think, to reduce murder, death, injury, destruction, damage and the related costs on my fellow Americans, their lives, the medical system, the judicial system, the cost to society, the damage to families and relationships and the general burden that excessive gun violence brings to any society

care to respond?  Or it is all about you?what about ‘them’?

I have no want or desire to control them.

ETA - It boggles my mind why anyone would want to control another human.  Its kinda like slavery.

ETA - But I guess I do want to control some people.  Like thse that murder. So my statemnet above isnt all encompassing.

Edited December 21, 2024 by turtlespeed

[billvon 2,990]

20 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

More mass carrings - Need more car laws

You're right!  There are approximately 50 cases a year worldwide where cars are used as weapons, killing about a dozen people.  Meanwhile in the US alone there are 30,000 gun deaths a year.

But since you are upset about the 50 and not the 30,000, let's put more regulations in place.

Let's require everyone to get training before they are allowed to drive a car, including how to operate it and how to obey traffic laws.
Let's test everyone before they ever get to drive by themselves, so we know they are safe drivers.
Let's require a license, and require regular renewals of that license, along with more testing.
Let's require insurance for those cars, so that 1) there is a way to pay people who are harmed by your car and 2) provide incentives for you to drive safely.
Let's require registration of each car so we can keep track of them for purposes of things like recalls and theft.
Let's require BACT safety features in each car, like brakes, pedestrian crumple zones, airbags, horns, brake lights and bumpers.
Let's create traffic laws, signage, traffic lights and traffic controls to increase safety.
Let's create a police force dedicated to enforcing traffic laws.
Let's ban cars in places like the interiors of airports, courtrooms, hospitals etc and clearly delineate where they are allowed to be operated - and be parked.

I am sure you will agree that all these are necessary.

Then we do all that for guns - and perhaps we can get that US total down to, say, 10,000.
 

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3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I have no want or desire to control them.

ETA - It boggles my mind why anyone would want to control another human.  Its kinda like slavery.

 

So you are pro-choice then.  

[turtlespeed 220]

24 minutes ago, kallend said:

So you are pro-choice then.  

I am of the opinion that if thats what you want to do to your body, its your business.

That overrides my belief that it is still incredibly wrong to do if its just for birth control.

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19 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I have no want or desire to control them.

ETA - It boggles my mind why anyone would want to control another human.  Its kinda like slavery.

ETA - But I guess I do want to control some people.  Like thse that murder. So my statemnet above isnt all encompassing.

helping reduce death and destruction is controlling people?  Laws are not effective unless they are 100% effective?  Which good laws did you speak of earlier that are 100% effective?  Providea specific example?  If something works 99.9% of the time, it is still not good enough in yhour book?  Does that speak of your life and your own accomplishments?  A failure because you have never achieved 100% at anything?

This is the problem with trying to have a rational discussion with irrational people.

Denying rights?  Do kids in school have a right to not get shot in the face by a 15 year old with a 9mm? Or is the 15 year olds gun right superior to the right to life?

You are in fact being deliberately obtuse and simply trolling at this point.  I am out.  Le me know when you gain some common sense and when you decide to stop changing the meanings of words or moving the goalposts

[kallend 2,026]

On 12/20/2024 at 5:09 PM, turtlespeed said:

Why aren't you anti-car!!!???

 

Why don't you stop the stupid trolling?