More mass carrings - Need more car laws

[GeorgiaDon 362]

19 hours ago, billvon said:

I am sure you will agree that all these are necessary.

Then we do all that for guns - and perhaps we can get that US total down to, say, 10,000.
 

I believe he already dismissed those motor vehicle laws as stupid nanny state laws (post #10).

[turtlespeed 220]

2 hours ago, tkhayes said:

This is the problem with trying to have a rational discussion with irrational people.

----I know what you mean.

Denying rights?  Do kids in school have a right to not get shot in the face by a 15 year old with a 9mm? Or is the 15 year olds gun right superior to the right to life?

---- 15 year olds don't have gun rights.  Thats irrational.

You are in fact being deliberately obtuse and simply trolling at this point.  I am out.  Le me know when you gain some common sense and when you decide to stop changing the meanings of words or moving the goalposts.

What you see as a lack of common sense is your opinion only.

What meaning of what word did I change?

What Goal Post did I move?

 

[turtlespeed 220]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

Why don't you stop the stupid trolling?

Because of the irony and hypocrisy.

Its only stupid in your eyes because you disagree with it.

 

[billvon 2,990]

4 hours ago, kallend said:

Why don't you stop the stupid trolling?

Because it gets him the reaction he wants.  I imagine he logs off at night with a smile, satisfied that he trolled the loser libs.

[Hissone 6]

I’m a gun guy. I guess my question to those that want more restrictions is what specially do you want. I’m all for background checks for gun purchases.  I’m completely against magazine restrictions , bans on semi automatic magazine fed rifles ect.  I was a uniformed police officer for 30 years and have investigated countless murders, suicides, assaults with guns. There were already laws against the actions i listed except suicide.  I don’t know what good more laws would do I do like having civil discussions about this with people  with different opinions to see if any common ground can be found.  

[turtlespeed 220]

21 hours ago, Hissone said:

I’m a gun guy. I guess my question to those that want more restrictions is what specially do you want. I’m all for background checks for gun purchases.  I’m completely against magazine restrictions , bans on semi automatic magazine fed rifles ect.  I was a uniformed police officer for 30 years and have investigated countless murders, suicides, assaults with guns. There were already laws against the actions i listed except suicide.  I don’t know what good more laws would do I do like having civil discussions about this with people  with different opinions to see if any common ground can be found.  

It seems obvious to me that the end goal would be confiscation.  More laws and penalties are just means to their end.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 12/22/2024 at 4:04 PM, Hissone said:

I’m a gun guy. I guess my question to those that want more restrictions is what specially do you want. I’m all for background checks for gun purchases.  I’m completely against magazine restrictions , bans on semi automatic magazine fed rifles ect.  I was a uniformed police officer for 30 years and have investigated countless murders, suicides, assaults with guns. There were already laws against the actions i listed except suicide.  I don’t know what good more laws would do I do like having civil discussions about this with people  with different opinions to see if any common ground can be found.  

licensing

registration

training

accountability

 

[billvon 2,990]

18 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

It seems obvious to me that the end goal would be confiscation.  More laws and penalties are just means to their end.

Just like the end result of all those laws about cars has resulted in confiscation.  That's why you don't see cars any more on US roads.

[turtlespeed 220]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

Just like the end result of all those laws about cars has resulted in confiscation.  That's why you don't see cars any more on US roads.

Uh huh.

Who said they were even considering confiscating cars?

The left has PLENTY of people that would like nothing better than to confiscate weapons.

[olofscience 480]

8 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

The left has PLENTY of people that would like nothing better than to confiscate weapons.

You sound like a toddler caught in the driver's seat of an articulated lorry.

If you were qualified to have a weapon, you'd have nothing to fear. But it looks like you need weapons as a crutch for more deep-seated psychological issues.

[turtlespeed 220]

5 minutes ago, olofscience said:

You sound like a toddler caught in the driver's seat of an articulated lorry.

If you were qualified to have a weapon, you'd have nothing to fear. But it looks like you need weapons as a crutch for more deep-seated psychological issues.

The petty insults are useless. They show me the character of who I'm talking to though.

[olofscience 480]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

The petty insults are useless. They show me the character of who I'm talking to though.

No, it shows your character too. You're scared, and I feel sorry for you.

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, olofscience said:

No, it shows your character too. You're scared, and I feel sorry for you.

Meh - I don't need or want your sorrow.

The insults are still telling though.

[olofscience 480]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

The insults are still telling though.

Uh huh.

So, do you have an actual argument on topic or what?

Edited December 24, 2024 by olofscience

[billvon 2,990]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Uh huh.

Who said they were even considering confiscating cars?

It seems obvious to you that the end result of more laws would be confiscation.  Since cars HAVE those many, many new laws Hissone was discussing, either:

1.  All cars have been confiscated, obviously
2.  There is something wrong with your logic.

I wonder which one it is?
 

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, billvon said:

It seems obvious to you that the end result of more laws would be confiscation.  Since cars HAVE those many, many new laws Hissone was discussing, either:

1.  All cars have been confiscated, obviously
2.  There is something wrong with your logic.

I wonder which one it is?
 

Are you honestly trying to say that a good deal of the people on the left DON'T want to have firearms confiscated and only accessible by police?

[normiss 798]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Are you honestly trying to say that a good deal of the people on the left DON'T want to have firearms confiscated and only accessible by police?

It's fucking hilarious how the republican party of the law continue the lie that democrats want guns confiscated.

"Well regulated" for those gun nuts that are mentally challenged.

[kallend 2,026]

5 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Are you honestly trying to say that a good deal of the people on the left DON'T want to have firearms confiscated and only accessible by police?

They allow civilians to have guns in other developed nations, they are not prohibited.  Your position is a false dichotomy fallacy.

  They manage to keep gun violence down by having sensible laws regarding training, storage, background checks, etc. with severe penalties for violators.  The US is a huge outlier in gun violence among developed nations.

 

Even among US states, the ones with the most lax gun laws have the highest rates of gun violence:

1. **Alaska**

2. **Mississippi**

3. **Louisiana**

4. **Alabama**

5. **Missouri**

Interestingly, they are all "red" states, but that's a different discussion.

[billvon 2,990]

6 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Are you honestly trying to say that a good deal of the people on the left DON'T want to have firearms confiscated and only accessible by police?

VERY few people want to confiscate all firearms, despite what FOX News tells you.   And historically, car manufacturers have said exactly the same things about new car laws, so we have a proven record of scaremongering from people with a vested interest in cars (or guns.)

So yes, claiming that news laws will lead to confiscation of all guns is just as much of a reach that claiming car laws will lead to cars being confiscated.

[tkhayes 348]

On 12/22/2024 at 7:04 PM, Hissone said:

I’m a gun guy. I guess my question to those that want more restrictions is what specially do you want. I’m all for background checks for gun purchases.  I’m completely against magazine restrictions , bans on semi automatic magazine fed rifles ect.  I was a uniformed police officer for 30 years and have investigated countless murders, suicides, assaults with guns. There were already laws against the actions i listed except suicide.  I don’t know what good more laws would do I do like having civil discussions about this with people  with different opinions to see if any common ground can be found.  

85% of the country wants background checks but here we are in a constitutional republic with supposed representative government.

if you want to know what other laws might make sense then look at all the countries that have exponentially less gun violence and start emulating.

its not difficult and I am surprised that you could ask such a question.  To be honest, it seems pretty obtuse and trolling.

we want ANYTHING to reduce the amount of gun violence that is seen here daily.

btw I own 20 guns.  The USA has the STUPIDEST gun laws in the world filled with loopholes and go arounds, thus any claim that says ‘we already have laws’ is equally obtuse and trolling.  Your gun laws are completely ineffective.  Try something else. (See paragraph 2).

[PiLFy 3]

On 12/21/2024 at 9:17 AM, olofscience said:

• You already need a license to drive a car. In the US you don't need a license to own a gun.
  • In Germany, getting a driving license is much more difficult than in the US
• A car's primary use is transportation, not killing. What's a gun's primary use?
• Finally, this guy seems to be far-right (AfD supporter). Elon supports the AfD.

ONE attack with a car recently. How many mass shootings in the US so far? You seem to be very bad with numbers. Like, basic counting...

We've family in Germany. 

**German driver's licenses are harder to get. That's your only true point.

**Guns have many uses. Motor vehicles do too, unless you're a Godless terrorist.

**An illegal immigrant who staunchly advocated for more immigration supported a party who wants to stop all immigration. Even Germany's MSM abandoned that fairy tale within 24hrs... 

**24 of the 25 last mass shootings in America were carried out by flaming Leftists. Most of those shooters, despite MSM' obfuscation, were trannies. Truth hurts...

[wmw999 2,444]

Do you have any sources for that last one? Because I doubt it

Wendy P. 

[lippy 918]

1 hour ago, PiLFy said:

We've family in Germany. 

**German driver's licenses are harder to get. That's your only true point.

**Guns have many uses. Motor vehicles do too, unless you're a Godless terrorist.

**An illegal immigrant who staunchly advocated for more immigration supported a party who wants to stop all immigration. Even Germany's MSM abandoned that fairy tale within 24hrs... 

**24 of the 25 last mass shootings in America were carried out by flaming Leftists. Most of those shooters, despite MSM' obfuscation, were trannies. Truth hurts...

It’s easy to win arguments when you just make up facts and ignore the truth. Another proud member of the Fox Nation. The Murdoch family salutes you, sir!

 

Happy Holidays! 

[PiLFy 3]

24 minutes ago, lippy said:

It’s easy to win arguments when you just make up facts and ignore the truth. Another proud member of the Fox Nation. The Murdoch family salutes you, sir!

 

Happy Holidays! 

You mean it's easy to win arguments when one knows the subject matter. I invite you to look my points up for yourself. Truth Hurts.

I haven't watched Fox or any other MSM for more than a decade. 

Merry Christmas to you, too ✝️

[PiLFy 3]

39 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Do you have any sources for that last one? Because I doubt it

Wendy P. 

Hi Wendy,

If I quote sources. You'll counter w/MSM_Mockingbird disinfo. It's pointless. I can read each shooter's (n supposed shooter's) manifesto n lengthy post history on social media. Can you? I can think for myself, n see the obvious. Can you? I hope so. 

These facts are public record. Denials by Lefty media outlets n buried search results don't change that. I don't know you, Wendy. I'll pray that you're simply unaware of these uncomfortable truths. 

Merry Christmas to you ✝️