15 Minute Cities

[olofscience 480]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

Same reason other posters do here.

You seem to not know anything about the mathematics of probability, nor the rules of logic.

You can't prove a negative, and there are an infinite number of possibilities with an infinitesimal probability.

[jakee 1,489]

6 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

At least I can evaluate and keep reevaluating my stances on different things.

Baaaahahahaha! What have you reevaluated here? You parroted a known conspiracy theory and refuse to admit that it’s a conspiracy theory. You literally posted an article saying you were wrong as proof that you were right, because government sources are absolutely untrustworthy.  You have not given one single millimetre of ground despite knowing that your position is completely untenable - just as you refuse to give a millimetre on your insistence that Trump had a secret plan to do things completely differently than he’d agreed to do - because you had a Trump government source telling you so after the fact, and government sources are really trustworthy!

Come on dude, we both know you see it. If there’s a week of this place let why not just admit it for once - you’ll feel so much better.

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, olofscience said:

You seem to not know anything about the mathematics of probability, nor the rules of logic.

You can't prove a negative, and there are an infinite number of possibilities with an infinitesimal probability.

What is the probability that the government does it wrong?

[olofscience 480]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

What is the probability that the government does it wrong?

Does what wrong? Be specific.

[jakee 1,489]

14 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I did NOT say that it means anything.

You thought the 15 minute travel restriction conspiracy theory was real. That’s undeniable. Here’s the thing, right: the travel restriction conspiracy theory was invented by people who hate the 15 minute planning concept and want to poison it in the public consciousness by inventing a version that sounds as horrible, restrictive and authoritarian as possible.

So the question you asked was ‘hey, do people think this intentionally horrible sounding thing is a good idea?’ 

[jakee 1,489]

5 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

What is the probability that the government does it wrong?

That they accidentally restrict civil liberties on an industrial scale when they try to rewrite some zoning laws? Pretty low, honestly.

[turtlespeed 220]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

You thought the 15 minute travel restriction conspiracy theory was real. That’s undeniable. Here’s the thing, right: the travel restriction conspiracy theory was invented by people who hate the 15 minute planning concept and want to poison it in the public consciousness by inventing a version that sounds as horrible, restrictive and authoritarian as possible.

So the question you asked was ‘hey, do people think this intentionally horrible sounding thing is a good idea?’ 

I absolutely did NOT think they were real.

I asked if they should be.

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, jakee said:

That they accidentally restrict civil liberties on an industrial scale when they try to rewrite some zoning laws? Pretty low, honestly.

Like the food pyramid?

[olofscience 480]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

I absolutely did NOT think they were real.

I asked if they should be.

Nice try at denial - very Trump-style.

You didn't respond to my request for clarification though. Looks like you don't really have a thought-through argument.

Feel free to ask me questions though, as I mentioned, I live in one of those 15-minute cities.

[turtlespeed 220]

9 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Like the food pyramid?

How about "The New Deal"?  Was that a good thing government did?

MK-Ultra?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ugly-past-u-s-human-experiments-uncovered-flna1c9465329

The government is not your friend.

[wmw999 2,444]

22 minutes ago, jakee said:

Baaaahahahaha! What have you reevaluated here?

I can assure you he has. Not necessarily willing to discuss it in public (it's not like anyone here would dogpile him or anything), but he has.

Wendy P.

[olofscience 480]

2 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

How about "The New Deal"?  Was that a good thing government did?

MK-Ultra?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ugly-past-u-s-human-experiments-uncovered-flna1c9465329

The government is not your friend.

Damn, you're really traumatized.

You have to think of what's going on now, not 80 years ago. Again, I live in one of those 15 minute cities and you can ask me more questions.

In any case, I hope your situation now is far away from whatever traumatized you.

[wmw999 2,444]

Turtle, instead of assuming the worst of everyone who isn't just like you, why don't you ascribe to them the same humanity that you assume in the people that you like? I'm assuming that the people you hang with are capable of being wrong, of doing goat-fuck stupid things sometimes, and even of being mean sometimes. Don't consider it to be the exception for people you agree with, and the rule for people you disagree with (and the government)

Wendy P.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

How many times has the government been caught harming more than helping?

Why do you think the government is there to help you?

Take government and the rule of law away entirely. Do you think life would be better?

I think any sane person understands that would not be the case, ergo government does more good than harm.

Edited December 24, 2024 by SkyDekker

[billvon 2,990]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

The government is not your friend.

Neither is it your enemy.  

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How many times has the government been caught harming more than helping?

It helps a great many times more than it hurts.  But the "harming" gets a lot more press.

You don't see the millions of kids who don't get diptheria because of sewers, for example.

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

I absolutely did NOT think they were real.

I asked if they should be.

You asked if the invented, intentionally awful sounding conspiracy theory version of 15 minute cities should be real? Why would you do that? What purpose does it serve? 

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

I can assure you he has. Not necessarily willing to discuss it in public (it's not like anyone here would dogpile him or anything), but he has.

So he only allows for the possibility that anyone else might be right in private. Here he never presents his point of view with the words ‘maybe’ or ‘I think’ or even ‘probably’. He never takes a backward step from his original post, no matter how stupid, and he never acknowledges that anyone else might have a valid point. He is at least as definite and as dogmatic in what he writes as anyone else here.

But he assumes that he is a special and unique flower, and while he is capable of re-thinking things and keeping it a secret, no one else could possibly be doing that, because they’re not as good as him. Sound about right?

[turtlespeed 220]

28 minutes ago, billvon said:

Neither is it your enemy.  

----You havent lived my life and have no idea what I've gone through with the goverrnment.  In my experience, the government is soley out for their own skin and all the money they can steal.

It helps a great many times more than it hurts.  Blanket statements are futile.  Not always is your statement correct.

 

[turtlespeed 220]

16 minutes ago, jakee said:

You asked if the invented, intentionally awful sounding conspiracy theory version of 15 minute cities should be real? Why would you do that? What purpose does it serve? 

Conversation.

[billvon 2,990]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

You havent lived my life and have no idea what I've gone through with the goverrnment. 

Nope.  But I know you use sewers, roads, power and airspace.  And I know you have never been invaded by a foreign country.

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Not always is your statement correct

My statement was a statement of relative harm vs relative good.  Of course there are cases where the government does great harm to an individual.  But OVERALL it helps far more than it hurts.  Your ability to post here is one good example of that.

[turtlespeed 220]

6 minutes ago, billvon said:

Nope.  But I know you use sewers, roads, power and airspace.  And I know you have never been invaded by a foreign country.

----I use septic, mainly.  The road I have, I paid for, and I installed myself, along with subcontractors.

Invaded? No. Well, no, that would be stupid, since anyone that saw the invasion of Japan realizes that would not be a good thing. ----

My statement was a statement of relative harm vs relative good.  Of course there are cases where the government does great harm to an individual.  But OVERALL it helps far more than it hurts.  Your ability to post here is one good example of that.

----That's one place we disagree.  I think it's a whole lot less than you believe it to be.

I tried utilizing the government.  The result was idiotic.----

 

Edited December 24, 2024 by turtlespeed

[olofscience 480]

16 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

----You havent lived my life and have no idea what I've gone through with the goverrnment.  In my experience, the government is soley out for their own skin and all the money they can steal.

Seek help.

Really, you're talking from a position of extreme trauma and I'm sorry to see that, and you're not speaking very rationally, so I hope you get the treatment you need.

[riggerrob 643]

On 12/24/2024 at 8:15 AM, jakee said:

That they accidentally restrict civil liberties on an industrial scale when they try to rewrite some zoning laws? Pretty low, honestly.

Increased freedom - or profit - of one segment of the population often results in less freedom and greater cost for another segment of the population.

[turtlespeed 220]

On 12/25/2024 at 5:06 AM, olofscience said:

Seek help.

Really, you're talking from a position of extreme trauma and I'm sorry to see that, and you're not speaking very rationally, so I hope you get the treatment you need.

Whatever - get off your selfrighteousness.  Its boring.

I speak from a position of experience.   Life experience is important.  You should go out and get some.

[wmw999 2,444]

2 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Whatever - get off your selfrighteousness.  Its boring.

I speak from a position of experience.   Life experience is important.  You should go out and get some.

I also speak from a position of experience. And I'm not about to say that some city, somewhere, isn't going to go too far. I'm also going to say that it's no worse than some city, somewhere, saying that every adult HAS to own a gun (Kennesaw, GA). If you don't like it, leave. 

Wendy P.