Canadians are slightly annoyed

[BIGUN 1,366]

2 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

American Airlines ads for flights between Aus and the US that are lower than the cost of interstate flights here. 

Fajita night!!

[nigel99 550]

15 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Fajita night!!

I plan on continuing to go to the Fitz boogie when I can. I love the southern states, and Greenville SC is one of my favourite spots in the US.

I’m a tad nervous about travelling to the US in the near future though. But you’re all welcome to visit Aus in the interim!

[kallend 2,093]

When Canada, the UK, Denmark, Germany, Australia and Finland issue warnings to their citizens about travel to the USA words fail me.

[JerryBaumchen 1,414]

4 minutes ago, kallend said:

When Canada, the UK, Denmark, Germany, Australia and Finland issue warnings to their citizens about travel to the USA words fail me.

Hi John,

If I were a non-US citizen, I would not travel here unless absolutely necessary.  At this time, it is just too risky.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Ken, I feel sorry for your countrywoman, no one should be treated that way.  It is barbaric.

[BIGUN 1,366]

12 hours ago, kallend said:

When Canada, the UK, Denmark, Germany, Australia and Finland issue warnings to their citizens about travel to the USA words fail me.

The warning is - informing their citizens who travel to the United States to strictly follow the country's entry rules or risk detention. It's the same warning that has been on the on the US State Department website about other countries for years. It's not like the warning "Do not Travel" for Syria.

[gowlerk 2,236]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

It's not like the warning "Do not Travel" for Syria.

For Canadians reading the news, yes it is.

[BIGUN 1,366]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

For Canadians reading the news, yes it is.

You're being overdramatic. 

You're being told, "Canadians and other foreign nationals visiting the United States for periods longer than 30 days must be registered with the United States government. "Failure to comply with the registration requirement could result in penalties, fines, and misdemeanor prosecution.”

Have you looked into Canada's restrictions on Americans coming there?

 

[wmw999 2,507]

I’ve been to Canada a number of times the last few years. It’s way easier to get into Canada than back into the US. Just based on the length of the lines, and the average time per person when there is a line getting into Canada.

Wendy P. 

[billvon 3,049]

4 hours ago, BIGUN said:

The warning is - informing their citizens who travel to the United States to strictly follow the country's entry rules or risk detention. It's the same warning that has been on the on the US State Department website about other countries for years.

Right.  But there's a bit of a difference now.  Nowadays even if US visitors do everything right, they could end up in jail for weeks or months.  Which, of course, is all part of the "crackdown" that's been touted by the administration.  Trump's hope is that word of this mistreatment will get out and cause immigrants to "self-deport."

[JerryBaumchen 1,414]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Right.  But there's a bit of a difference now.  Nowadays even if US visitors do everything right, they could end up in jail for weeks or months.  Which, of course, is all part of the "crackdown" that's been touted by the administration.  Trump's hope is that word of this mistreatment will get out and cause immigrants to "self-deport."

Hi Bill,

Re:  But there's a bit of a difference now. 

Yup, it is all about the enforcement.  Things have substantially changed in the last two months.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,789]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

You're being overdramatic. 

You're being told, "Canadians and other foreign nationals visiting the United States for periods longer than 30 days must be registered with the United States government. "Failure to comply with the registration requirement could result in penalties, fines, and misdemeanor prosecution.”

Have you looked into Canada's restrictions on Americans coming there?

 

And you are trivializing a horrendous shift away from fairness and a respect for individual rights that made the US a different and special place. But hey, we aren't Syria yet so there is that. I'm a white male with Global Entry etc. and I have traveled to the US many times, of course, and I am a bit concerned about going back and through a for profit detention system. None of this is even a little bit right or justifiable on any level and that should be every right thinking persons position. 

[BIGUN 1,366]

51 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I'm a white male with Global Entry etc. and I have traveled to the US many times, of course,

Joe, how many foreign countries have you been to where they had immigration laws you had to follow? 

[JoeWeber 2,789]

1 minute ago, BIGUN said:

Joe, how many foreign countries have you been to where they had immigration laws you had to follow? 

A lot, as you know. I could as easily ask how many entries you’ve just skated through without a question because you landed in a grey airplane wearing a green suit. I can tell you that I’ve been in and out of Canada a lot all trouble free and the same several times in Australia and Europe and Scandinavia with never a fear. Add to that many, many times in Asia and all of SE Asia and never a fear. It’s not the rules but the rulers and that you should know.

[nigel99 550]

37 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Joe, how many foreign countries have you been to where they had immigration laws you had to follow? 

From outside the US the stories and messaging are not that rules are being enforced but the nature of it. 

Typically in Western countries if you accidentally break the law, you’ll get turned back at the border, denied boarding or even allowed to fix the mistake. 

I’ve had a visa expire on me while I was away, they just put me in a room and told me to do the renewal prior to entry (Aus, who are incredibly harsh). 

It’s not normal to be detained for weeks for simple stuff and that is the warning. 

[BIGUN 1,366]

41 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I can tell you that I’ve been in and out of Canada a lot all trouble free and the same several times in Australia and Europe and Scandinavia with never a fear.

Because you followed their law.

[JoeWeber 2,789]

5 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

From outside the US the stories and messaging are not that rules are being enforced but the nature of it. 

Typically in Western countries if you accidentally break the law, you’ll get turned back at the border, denied boarding or even allowed to fix the mistake. 

I’ve had a visa expire on me while I was away, they just put me in a room and told me to do the renewal prior to entry (Aus, who are incredibly harsh). 

It’s not normal to be detained for weeks for simple stuff and that is the warning. 

I screwed up and landed with a few strawberries in Sydney once and got a finger wag if I promised to be good in the future. Once leaving Sydney for the US on United they tried to tell us that according to FAA rules we couldn't carry on our rigs. Not so, of course. So I told them that no way we were checking $10,000 parachutes and held firm. We were upper deck, biz class on a 747 which helped when the Captain intervened and agreed they could come on board to be stored in the pursers locker. Not long into the flight a couple of stews came by politely asking if they could see the $10,000 dollar pair of shoes.

[JoeWeber 2,789]

5 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Because you followed their law.

Have you ever been pulled over in a shit hole town by a dickhead cop? I sometimes think we need to subtract about 20 years of actual life's experience from your resume.

[gowlerk 2,236]

5 hours ago, BIGUN said:

You're being overdramatic. 

You're being told, "Canadians and other foreign nationals visiting the United States for periods longer than 30 days must be registered with the United States government. "Failure to comply with the registration requirement could result in penalties, fines, and misdemeanor prosecution.”

Have you looked into Canada's restrictions on Americans coming there?

 

I’ve certainly never heard of a US citizen being caught up in a Canadian ICE prison system with no rights or access to legal representation. 

[nigel99 550]

12 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I screwed up and landed with a few strawberries in Sydney once and got a finger wag if I promised to be good in the future. Once leaving Sydney for the US on United they tried to tell us that according to FAA rules we couldn't carry on our rigs. Not so, of course. So I told them that no way we were checking $10,000 parachutes and held firm. We were upper deck, biz class on a 747 which helped when the Captain intervened and agreed they could come on board to be stored in the pursers locker. Not long into the flight a couple of stews came by politely asking if they could see the $10,000 dollar pair of shoes.

That’s hilarious. Pair of shoes :)

[BIGUN 1,366]

22 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

It’s not normal to be detained for weeks for simple stuff and that is the warning. 

It's the same rules, Brother. If you overstay your visa, you'll have to leave and it will present problems when requesting another. Simple - Keep track of your visa dates and duration. Same as if I went to Aus or CAN or anywhere else.

[BIGUN 1,366]

3 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

I’ve certainly never heard of a US citizen being caught up in a Canadian ICE prison system with no rights or access to legal representation. 

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/detent/menu-eng.html

[BIGUN 1,366]

14 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Have you ever been pulled over in a shit hole town by a dickhead cop? I sometimes think we need to subtract about 20 years of actual life's experience from your resume.

This just got silly. 

[gowlerk 2,236]

8 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/detent/menu-eng.html

Yes Keith, we have law enforcement too. I guess the travel warnings coming from governments around the world warning about possible trouble in the US for foreigners is just being made up to make all y’all look bad. Realistically I will still cross the border, but only if I need to and I will be very aware of the power yielded by those manning the border who seem to not need much reason to place anyone in detention on a whim.

[wmw999 2,507]

I prefer to have a country that doesn’t need warnings about arbitrary treatment, just like I prefer not to live in a city where the level of law enforcement depends on the color of skin or perceived ethnic or income group. And we all know those things still happen.

To get an idea of living in a sometimes-free but arbitrarily enforced country, watch the movie “I’m Still Here,” about Brazil during the dictatorship and its aftermath. You were free to disagree until you weren’t.

I don’t see us disappearing US citizens of note. Yet. But we’re already working on deporting students who have taken part in college protests. The subtext there isn’t just “be polite,” it’s also “be afraid.”

Wendy P. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,414]

28 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

It's the same rules, Brother. If you overstay your visa, you'll have to leave and it will present problems when requesting another. Simple - Keep track of your visa dates and duration. Same as if I went to Aus or CAN or anywhere else.

Hi Keith,

I agree that every person, when in another country, should keep track of the rules.

However, how would you feel if anyone in your family, or you, were treated as the Canadian woman was treated by this country, for a simple infringement.

Jerry Baumchen