Canadians are slightly annoyed

[wmw999 2,507]

It’s really one of the penalties of living in possibly the most successful country in the world, with huge borders north and south (prohibitively expensive to interdict the entire border). We’re attractive. We value money, so if you have it, you can get in. We’re not good at following up on visa dates. pretty much everyone coming in through an airport has a cell phone; it’d make sense to me to call people approaching the end of their visa with no exit yet to warn them. It’d also be cheaper, but less fun in a gladiator way than caging them up and making them miserable.

That doesn’t help with the southern border, but if we were to stop exporting so many guns and buying so many drugs, there might just be fewer scared people. Of course, it’s kind of like the US, in that there are so many guns, period, that it’s become virtually impossible to stop the traffic.

Prevention is generally cheaper than curing, but sometimes less fun, i guess. Everyone is an above-average canopy pilot, after all, and they’d NEVER make (whatever) that mistake 

Wendy P. 

[BIGUN 1,370]

2 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

We’re not good at following up on visa dates. pretty much everyone coming in through an airport has a cell phone; it’d make sense to me to call people approaching the end of their visa with no exit yet to warn them.

I agree with this. I get three days worth of texts before a doctor's appointment. Surely, we could input a text system to notify three days before visa expiration. 

[BIGUN 1,370]

9 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

However, how would you feel if anyone in your family, or you, were treated as the Canadian woman was treated by this country, for a simple infringement.

Afternoon Jerry. I've read that article in two different rags. I think there's more to Ms. Mooney's story than her side. 

[BIGUN 1,370]

15 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

It’s really one of the penalties of living in possibly the most successful country in the world, with huge borders north and south (prohibitively expensive to interdict the entire border). We’re attractive.

Wendy,

Here's my thoughts. Trump approached this with ZERO methodology other than slash and burn. Had you guys elected me President; I would have put a three-year freeze on new immigration to,

1) Have time for LE/State/Homeland to vett those in country illegally - no crime, in-country 3-5 years = citizenship

2) Children borne of illegal aliens in the US would be left alone and their parents vetted fastest to citizenship. 

3) Concurrently worked with congress to establish BRAC bases as regional Eillis Islands. Travelers same process as now. Immigrants take their pre-done paperwork to one of those regional Ellis Islands. 

Thoughts? (other than Joe thinking I'd make a bad President       

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[wmw999 2,507]

I think those ideas sound reasonable. Of course, you’d be excoriated for failing to militarize the border.

Wendy P. 

[kallend 2,094]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

Because you followed their law.

The only reason given for some of these affronts to common decency is that the Secretary of State's  opinion is that based on something they wrote on social media they present "a danger to US foreign policy". No law was broken, no crimes charged.

 

It's intimidation pure and simple - in the land of the free and the home of the brave with a Constitutional right to free speech, keep your mouth shut or else.

[JoeWeber 2,790]

47 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Afternoon Jerry. I've read that article in two different rags. I think there's more to Ms. Mooney's story than her side. 

Please enlighten me. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,415]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

Afternoon Jerry. I've read that article in two different rags. I think there's more to Ms. Mooney's story than her side. 

Hi Keith,

To paraphrase Joe, enlighten us.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Ken's post was a long read; but, well worth it.  

 

[gowlerk 2,236]

12 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Keith,

To paraphrase Joe, enlighten us.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Ken's post was a long read; but, well worth it.  

 

It certainly was a long read. I merely copied it from an FB post. Probably the longest one I have read in a long while. I find it remarkable that I used to think nothing of reading a book for hours, but in this time of social media something that takes 5 minutes seems like a struggle to get through.

[BIGUN 1,370]

50 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Please enlighten me. 

Original Artricle: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

"Mooney added that she did not understand what had led to her detention, and admitted she had previous visa problems."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/canadian-actress-detained-by-ice/

So, she's had visa problems and her solution was to fly to California and reapply for her work visa once she met with an attorney in California. She came without first having her work visa. What happened to her is true . . . but, the Guardian article did not go into the details of the detainment. 

Keep in mind that Canadians still come across everyday, are in country, and go home - not detained. 

We'll hear more. 

 

Edited March 23 by BIGUN

[JerryBaumchen 1,415]

17 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Original Artricle: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

"Mooney added that she did not understand what had led to her detention, and admitted she had previous visa problems."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/canadian-actress-detained-by-ice/

So, she's had visa problems and her solution was to fly to California and reapply for her work visa once she met with an attorney in California. She came without first having her work visa. What happened to her is true . . . but, the Guardian article did not go into the details of the detainment. 

Keep in mind that Canadians still come across everyday, are in country, and go home - not detained. 

We'll hear more. 

 

Hi Keith,

I read both of your links.  Without doing a word-for-word comparison, it seems to me that they both say the same thing; the same as what Ken posted.  IMO damn poor treatment for anyone.

Once again:  However, how would you feel if anyone in your family, or you, were treated as the Canadian woman was treated by this country, for a simple infringement.

Looks to me that Melania is a bigger criminal.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[nigel99 550]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

It's the same rules, Brother. If you overstay your visa, you'll have to leave and it will present problems when requesting another. Simple - Keep track of your visa dates and duration. Same as if I went to Aus or CAN or anywhere else.

I’ve had 2 experiences with Aus. 

1. I held permanent residency but didn’t realise that if you left the country after 5 years you had to renew it. There is no requirement to renew it if you’re not travelling overseas. At the time I was backwards and forwards to the US. It so happened that the 5 year mark ticked over during the flight back from San Fransisco to Aus. When I got to border control in Aus I was told I didn’t have a valid entry visa. They took me aside and spoke to me, gave me a laptop and told me to renew my visa online. $200 of visa fees and a couple of hours delay I was back on my way.

2. I got Aus citizenship and didn’t bother getting an Aussie passport as Dual citizenship is allowed. Left the country on my Uk passport and then couldn’t get back on the flight home as I didn’t know that despite the immigration system showing I was an Australian citizen I couldn’t enter the country on a UK passport. Aus passports are expensive and I’ve got years left on my Uk one. Spent the night in Hong Kong, went to the embassy and got an emergency passport. All sorted the airline even honoured my ticket. 

Arguably in both cases I should have known better and clearly my fault. Should I have been detained and sent to Christmas Island (our atrocity that is equivalent to Gitmo, because Aus is constantly in trouble for Human rights violations with immigrants and are far from perfect?).

Generally speaking and historically with Western countries, if you get to the border to enter (not exit) without a valid visa you’re turned away. Usually the airline is forced to bear the cost of returning you to point of origin. The US that is no longer the case. You risk being detained for extended periods of time without proper legal representation. Never mind the human aspect that’s costing the US taxpayers money.

In the past with the US even if you went to leave the country you were allowed to leave and then blacklisted from future entry, again cost effective and reasonable even if it was an innocent mistake. 

[JoeWeber 2,790]

14 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

I’ve had 2 experiences with Aus. 

1. I held permanent residency but didn’t realise that if you left the country after 5 years you had to renew it. There is no requirement to renew it if you’re not travelling overseas. At the time I was backwards and forwards to the US. It so happened that the 5 year mark ticked over during the flight back from San Fransisco to Aus. When I got to border control in Aus I was told I didn’t have a valid entry visa. They took me aside and spoke to me, gave me a laptop and told me to renew my visa online. $200 of visa fees and a couple of hours delay I was back on my way.

2. I got Aus citizenship and didn’t bother getting an Aussie passport as Dual citizenship is allowed. Left the country on my Uk passport and then couldn’t get back on the flight home as I didn’t know that despite the immigration system showing I was an Australian citizen I couldn’t enter the country on a UK passport. Aus passports are expensive and I’ve got years left on my Uk one. Spent the night in Hong Kong, went to the embassy and got an emergency passport. All sorted the airline even honoured my ticket. 

Arguably in both cases I should have known better and clearly my fault. Should I have been detained and sent to Christmas Island (our atrocity that is equivalent to Gitmo, because Aus is constantly in trouble for Human rights violations with immigrants and are far from perfect?).

Generally speaking and historically with Western countries, if you get to the border to enter (not exit) without a valid visa you’re turned away. Usually the airline is forced to bear the cost of returning you to point of origin. The US that is no longer the case. You risk being detained for extended periods of time without proper legal representation. Never mind the human aspect that’s costing the US taxpayers money.

In the past with the US even if you went to leave the country you were allowed to leave and then blacklisted from future entry, again cost effective and reasonable even if it was an innocent mistake. 

As others have said it is most certainly intentionally punitive. The bastards sincerely believe that to get the results they want in the time frame they desire that innocent people need to get hurt so that the word gets out, and it's working. No damn way in the world should any reasonable person offer an assist to this utter affront to who we should be as a nation by pointing out undotted I's and uncrossed T's as a reasonable explanations. You know, keeping things in perspective and so on. We are failing ourselves thanks to ourselves. 

[nigel99 550]

5 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

As others have said it is most certainly intentionally punitive. The bastards sincerely believe that to get the results they want in the time frame they desire that innocent people need to get hurt so that the word gets out, and it's working. No damn way in the world should any reasonable person offer an assist to this utter affront to who we should be as a nation by pointing out undotted I's and uncrossed T's as a reasonable explanations. You know, keeping things in perspective and so on. We are failing ourselves thanks to ourselves. 

Being an Aussie it’s hard not to approach this feeling like a hypocrite. Throwing stones and living in glass houses etc. We have an appalling track record and I detest the treatment of illegal immigrants here. If you spend 30 minutes researching Australian treatment of asylum seekers you’ll find numerous human rights violations, suicide rates through the roof and indeterminate detentions. You’re probably not surprised to find that the colour of your skin, country of origin also plays a major part in how you’re treated. 

[jakee 1,553]

17 hours ago, BIGUN said:

It's the same rules, Brother. If you overstay your visa, you'll have to leave and it will present problems when requesting another. Simple - Keep track of your visa dates and duration. Same as if I went to Aus or CAN or anywhere else.

That's where you're just not getting it, brother. People who want to leave are not being allowed to leave. 

Here's a woman who was imprisoned while at the airport looking for a flight home who wasn;t even in the US illegally, she'd just had a request for a work visa turned down.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

[jakee 1,553]

15 hours ago, BIGUN said:

She came without first having her work visa.

You don't need to have a work visa to apply for a work visa, right?

[normiss 835]

On 3/22/2025 at 6:48 PM, nigel99 said:

I plan on continuing to go to the Fitz boogie when I can. I love the southern states, and Greenville SC is one of my favourite spots in the US.

I’m a tad nervous about travelling to the US in the near future though. But you’re all welcome to visit Aus in the interim!

Greenville is about an hour from our house, we're willing to harbor illegal immigrants.

We're also willing to hang out in public with you again.

 

Also, I thought of you a couple of days ago after receiving a gift via post from some NSW ass hole. I need to get that thank you note out.

I LOVE our skydiving family. 

[BIGUN 1,370]

54 minutes ago, jakee said:

That's where you're just not getting it, brother. People who want to leave are not being allowed to leave. 

That's where you're just not getting it, brother. If you're not allowed to leave, then you are detained, because you shouldn't have been here in the first place.

54 minutes ago, jakee said:

while at the airport looking for a flight home who wasn;t even in the US illegally, she'd just had a request for a work visa turned down.

That is the exact definition of being here illegally.

51 minutes ago, jakee said:

You don't need to have a work visa to apply for a work visa, right?

You need to have a work visa upon arrival. Within X number of days prior to your work visa expiration, you need to visit the consulate and apply for an extension or a new one. 

https://www.uscis.gov/visit-the-united-states/extend-your-stay

Edited March 24 by BIGUN

[jakee 1,553]

34 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

That's where you're just not getting it, brother. If you're not allowed to leave, then you are detained, because you shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Which is the proof that you were knowingly presenting a distortion of the truth earlier when you said if you overstay you have to leave. Again - having to leave is not the same as not being allowed to leave. You get that, don't you?

34 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

That is the exact definition of being here illegally.

Of course it isn't. Again - she was not in the US to work when she was arrested. She was in the US to get a work visa. Canadians are allowed to be in the US without a work visa, and you do not need to have a work visa in order to apply for a work visa. 

34 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

You need to have a work visa upon arrival.

Canadians don't need a work visa to enter the US.

Edited March 24 by jakee

[BIGUN 1,370]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

she was not in the US to work when she was arrested. She was in the US to get a work visa.

She was detained at the San Diego border after entering the U.S. from Mexico. She did not have documentation to be in the US. No work visa, no tourist visa. Nothing. She'd had a previous work visa, but it had elapsed. She thought she would show up, cross the border and THEN do the paperwork.

[jakee 1,553]

22 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

She was detained at the San Diego border after entering the U.S. from Mexico. She did not have documentation to be in the US. No work visa, no tourist visa. Nothing. She'd had a previous work visa, but it had elapsed. She thought she would show up, cross the border and THEN do the paperwork.

Canadians don't need tourist visas. They quite literally are allowed to come to the US then do the paperwork.

Edited March 24 by jakee

[JoeWeber 2,790]

59 minutes ago, jakee said:

Canadians don't need tourist visas. They quite literally are allowed to come to the US then do the paperwork.

Sort of. They don't need a tourist visa if they aren't traveling for work. So, showing up to visit the parks can get cancelled out upon immediate admission that you are really hoping to work.  Apparently simply applying on arrival for a work visa can do that. Absurd is that it can be immediately criminalized. Literally, if Mom sends you an email received in flight that there is great opportunity on offer and you attempt to get an on arrival work visa you can be busted. Instead you are supposed to leave asap with your secret intact and apply anew from somewhere else. Seems to me that in a humane and sensible country the apparatchik at the work visa desk should simply say no can do and now you must leave within a very short window or risk arrest. 

[BIGUN 1,370]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Canadians don't need tourist visas. They quite literally are allowed to come to the US then do the paperwork.

You're right, that's how it was. Things started moving fast and until the specifics are hashed out, then CBP will post the new rules. Jakee, if you wanna be mad about something, join me in being mad about high school children who were born in this country to undocumented workers who've never committed a crime and are now being placed under the microscope. 

That's what should be on the table for discussion. For me, that is an egregious violation of the 14th amendment.   

[gowlerk 2,236]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Canadians don't need tourist visas. They quite literally are allowed to come to the US then do the paperwork.

Yes, even from Mexico. I have done it myself no VISA required. Her only "crime" that I can see is that she said she was entering and planning to apply for a work permit. Not actually a crime at all, but not the correct procedure. This led to a suspicion that perhaps she would work without one. Sort of like predicting that she might do so, and if a damned foreigner might do something like that the only thing to do is to feed her into the for profit ICE detention system. 

[JoeWeber 2,790]

25 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Jakee, if you wanna be mad about something, join me in being mad about high school children who were born in this country to undocumented workers who've never committed a crime and are now being placed under the microscope. 

Let me guess, you personally know one or two?