The new USA White Power Agenda

[BIGUN 1,371]

8 hours ago, nigel99 said:

I’m interested in your views on this? I don’t remember your thoughts on Musk doing it, and know you’re cautious about getting caught up in mass hysteria regarding the broader topic of a white power agenda.

I know stills can be misleading so here’s a snippet to it in context. It’s hesitant and not as bold as Musk. More like a naughty boy trying to thumb his nose at a parent.

Well, I don't think Elon should be involved in politics at all and am completely opposed to anything that even closely resembles a nazi salute. I am of an age where my parents served during Korea and had great Uncles that served during WWII.  Anything Nazi or Commmunist goes against the grain. 

[jakee 1,553]

16 hours ago, nigel99 said:

I know stills can be misleading so here’s a snippet to it in context. It’s hesitant and not as bold as Musk. More like a naughty boy trying to thumb his nose at a parent.

https://imgur.com/a/former-white-house-chief-strategist-steve-bannon-sig-heils-cpac-today-FIuEqCr

I get why you say hesitant, but it's also bolder because he made no attempt to provide any cover or alternate explanation for it. Just boom, here's my Nazi salute. If you don't like it, I have others.

Also telling that it was so obviously fascist that one of the next speakers from National Rally (a French far right party that was founded and run for 40 years by a literal holocaust denier) refused to take the stage because of how bad it would look to be associated with him.

[nigel99 551]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

I get why you say hesitant, but it's also bolder because he made no attempt to provide any cover or alternate explanation for it. Just boom, here's my Nazi salute. If you don't like it, I have others.

Also telling that it was so obviously fascist that one of the next speakers from National Rally (a French far right party that was founded and run for 40 years by a literal holocaust denier) refused to take the stage because of how bad it would look to be associated with him.

Interesting about the French guy. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,415]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

Interesting about the French guy. 

Hi Nigel,

IMO not really, when you consider that every 6 Jun the French celebrate the D-Day landings.

Some of them may deny the holocaust, but they know who liberated them.

Jerry Baumchen

[richravizza 28]

13 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Well, I don't think Elon should be involved in politics at all and am completely opposed to anything that even closely resembles a nazi salute. I am of an age where my parents served during Korea and had great Uncles that served during WWII.  Anything Nazi or Commmunist goes against the grain. 

Other than your opinion on Elon, I completely agree also as well as every Red blooded American I know or could imagine.They are using it to manipulate the narrative. In a bar someone would call nigel a tool. On X, it's a meme, Warren,AOC, bernie and even 0bama doing the HaHa Salute.

Nigel if you look back before the raise of the nazi, it was part of Our Pledge,but we dropped it when see saw them do it...LOL Naxis and Rasicm Oh No!! Trolled.

 

[BIGUN 1,371]

46 minutes ago, richravizza said:

if you look back before the raise of the nazi, it was part of Our Pledge,but we dropped it when see saw them do it

And why it or anything even close to it should never be done again.

[richravizza 28]

On 2/16/2025 at 1:42 PM, billvon said:

If you were in your early 20s that's almost a requirement.  "Wow objectivism makes so much sense!  Why hasn't everyone read this? "

Wow .....To you, I suppose it's all subjective .LOL

But nice Bill, lastly first, one in four aint bad.Freedom ,Reason, Challenging to status Q. Being survivors of the same Totalitarian system lead us back to Solzhenitsyn.

Honesty is now the currency of the day.

 Bill, Nigel, the world, I never got thru Atlas, or the Bible, I tried more than once, then with a notebook in hand,but never make it, not Cover to Cover. Reminds me of Mark Twain's book.I tried. That doesn't mean we lose those lessons of Freedom,Reason ect..

 

[nigel99 551]

21 minutes ago, richravizza said:

Bill, Nigel, the world, I never got thru Atlas, or the Bible, I tried more than once, then with a notebook in hand,but never make it, not Cover to Cover.

 

Unfortunately that is a huge problem. The people spreading disinformation rely on people who only think and process in sound bites and the world is a complex and messy place.

Anyone can compress the solution to a problem into a soundbite

[richravizza 28]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

And why it or anything even close to it should never be done again.

 What is this thread is trying to validate, it's the only play the lying media and the Left have.  0bama played that game at Jews rally and it didn't sit well.Racist nazis fine people,Lies. What was that A.S. quote.. cattle or sheep.

After years of the syndrome and virtuous Ad Hominem attacks the joke is on those who assume.

Edited February 22 by richravizza

[richravizza 28]

3 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Unfortunately that is a huge problem. The people spreading disinformation rely on people who only think and process in sound bites and the world is a complex and messy place.

Anyone can compress the solution to a problem into a soundbite

 I'll agree in a sense.

I'm puzzled by your perceived problem... as this thread is a prime example.Isn't there a rebuttal to a bite, a bite. Rhetoric. 

Hey, did you get John Mc's punchline yet? 

[billvon 3,050]

42 minutes ago, richravizza said:

Wow .....To you, I suppose it's all subjective.

Well, it certainly was to Rand.  She called people who took money from socialist programs like social security and medicare "parasites" - and then used them when she needed them.  Just a subjective judgment, right?

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But nice Bill, lastly first, one in four aint bad.Freedom ,Reason, Challenging to status Q.

Because she said that's what she stood for?  Well, in that case, we should be following North Korea's example to support our own democracy, since they are the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

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Bill, Nigel, the world, I never got thru Atlas, or the Bible, I tried more than once

Perhaps try again; it will allow you to speak to it more authoritatively.  I've read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.  The rape scene in The Fountainhead has been somewhat problematic for her.  It also sort of glosses over how women fit into the new world of objectivism; there is something of an exception there that she never really goes into.

 

[billvon 3,050]

35 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Unfortunately that is a huge problem. The people spreading disinformation rely on people who only think and process in sound bites and the world is a complex and messy place.

Anyone can compress the solution to a problem into a soundbite

Reminds me again of that Carl Sagan quote:

"The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.”

[JerryBaumchen 1,415]

40 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Unfortunately that is a huge problem. The people spreading disinformation rely on people who only think and process in sound bites and the world is a complex and messy place.

Anyone can compress the solution to a problem into a soundbite

Hi Nigel,

That was how Reagan did it.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[richravizza 28]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

Well, it certainly was to Rand.  She called people who took money from socialist programs like social security and medicare "parasites" - and then used them when she needed them.  Just a subjective judgment, right?

Because she said that's what she stood for?  Well, in that case, we should be following North Korea's example to support our own democracy, since they are the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Perhaps try again; it will allow you to speak to it more authoritatively.  I've read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.  The rape scene in The Fountainhead has been somewhat problematic for her.  It also sort of glosses over how women fit into the new world of objectivism; there is something of an exception there that she never really goes into.

 

WTF.....  

Deductive,

Critical,

A Postmodernist take.

 I'll bet you got an A+.Did they teach you that Authoritarianism is a right wing phenomena too?LOL 

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,415]

9 minutes ago, billvon said:

Reminds me again of that Carl Sagan quote:

"The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.”

Hi Bill,

As I continue to say:  The American voter is uninformed & prefers to stay that way.

Jerry Baumchen

[richravizza 28]

58 minutes ago, billvon said:

Reminds me again of that Carl Sagan quote:

"The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.”

 Is  that your 30 sec. bite...LOL Good one. Interesting in more ways than one.

 It's funny your book review never made it into a simple inductive search. I won't try the read again,perhaps you should. Besides There's a movie. LOL

I'm sure it will be closer to Annie's take, so I can enjoy the weekend. 

If racist doesn't work... call them ignorant. Bravo 

[richravizza 28]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Bill,

As I continue to say:  The American voter is uninformed & prefers to stay that way.

Jerry Baumchen

Hi Jerry 

We could give votes out by IQ, maybe cut it up into 5 categories, 10 votes for the smartest  down to one for the proles.

 

[nigel99 551]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz03gjnxe25o

Arlington Cemetery strips content on black and female veterans from website.

Tell me again how the US administration isn’t racist? This is fucking disgusting 

[JoeWeber 2,790]

13 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz03gjnxe25o

Arlington Cemetery strips content on black and female veterans from website.

Tell me again how the US administration isn’t racist? This is fucking disgusting 

And where are our retired Veterans? The Trumpist bastards are stripping the VA and now this crap with Arlington all added to their daily denigration of our Constitution. Surely there are at least two or three who wouldn't mind getting arrested in support of democracy outside the Whitehouse Barricades.

[jakee 1,553]

49 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz03gjnxe25o

Arlington Cemetery strips content on black and female veterans from website.

Tell me again how the US administration isn’t racist? This is fucking disgusting 

They also just expelled the South African ambassador (someone who was childhood home was stolen by an unelected racist government) for pointing out the racism of the Maga movement.

[billvon 3,050]

On 2/21/2025 at 8:00 PM, richravizza said:

If racist doesn't work... call them ignorant. 

There is certainly considerable overlap between the two.

The good news is that Trump is willing to give both those groups participation trophies so they can "own the libs."

[JoeWeber 2,790]

On 2/21/2025 at 3:07 PM, BIGUN said:

And why it or anything even close to it should never be done again.

Thanks Keith, but thats the thing I won't let you skate on until you tell me f'off. When will you and your community rise up in defense of our democracy? If there was a Million Skydiver march on Washington in opposition of Trumps policies about skydiving I'd be in. But how can you and your ex-military buddies separate yourselves intellectually from Trumps harms to the VA, and now Arlington etc..? Your opposition is meaningful to the point of saving our democracy. When are you in?

[BIGUN 1,371]

4 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Thanks Keith, but thats the thing I won't let you skate on until you tell me f'off. When will you and your community rise up in defense of our democracy? If there was a Million Skydiver march on Washington in opposition of Trumps policies about skydiving I'd be in. But how can you and your ex-military buddies separate yourselves intellectually from Trumps harms to the VA, and now Arlington etc..? Your opposition is meaningful to the point of saving our democracy. When are you in?

So, you have a few drinks, quote something from damn near a month ago, tell me what I should do, whilst you yourself crow about being some political justice warrior - but it's my responsibility and opposition that will save us. Perhaps you should send Jasmine another $100.00 

[JoeWeber 2,790]

7 hours ago, BIGUN said:

So, you have a few drinks, quote something from damn near a month ago, tell me what I should do, whilst you yourself crow about being some political justice warrior - but it's my responsibility and opposition that will save us. Perhaps you should send Jasmine another $100.00 

Pretty much anything short of thank you for your service rankles you. Tell you what, in appreciation for my freedom I'll also join the million oenophile march to restore democracy in America which is certain to make an impression. It's  just too bad we don't have uniforms and the natural respect of the nation to add force to our concerns.

[BIGUN 1,371]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Tell you what, in appreciation for my freedom I'll also join the million oenophile march to restore democracy in America which is certain to make an impression.

You bring the wine and I'll meet you there.