The new USA White Power Agenda

[gowlerk 2,216]

2 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I don't know, you don't know . . . with all that's going on it seems to be a small thing to me. 

Small things add up. Details matter. 

[nigel99 501]

54 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I don't know, you don't know . . . with all that's going on it seems to be a small thing to me. 

I’ll drop it and not keep harping on about it, although I’ll admit I’m surprised at your response.

If it had said Go Home, but linked to the homepage I would agree that it was sloppy, poorly considered and potentially a little jab at minorities.

The fact it didn’t link to the homepage but to a campaign video suggests wasn’t just a mistake. 

The white power agenda is growing at a shocking pace and it’s hard to keep up with the barrage of small things. It’s in plain sight with no attempt to hide it.

Another example is  NSA museum covering up plaques honouring non whites and women.  https://www.tpr.org/2025-02-05/nsa-museum-covered-plaques-honoring-women-and-people-of-color-provoking-an-uproar

[nigel99 501]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/boris-johnson-calls-mar-a-lago-an-absolutely-fantastic-place-to-resettle-gazans/

At least Boris Johnson has a sense of humour suggesting resettling Palestinians to Mara Lago

[JoeWeber 2,736]

Just now, nigel99 said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/boris-johnson-calls-mar-a-lago-an-absolutely-fantastic-place-to-resettle-gazans/

At least Boris Johnson has a sense of humour suggesting resettling Palestinians to Mara Lago

He proved his sense of humor long ago with a comb.

[richravizza 28]

On 2/10/2025 at 4:22 PM, nigel99 said:

The white power agenda is growing at a shocking pace and it’s hard to keep up with the barrage of small things. It’s in plain sight with no attempt to hide it.

"Growing "more than when,and where?

"I thought Dems were crazy when they said men can have periods....then I met Tim Walz."lol

 Nigel is it possible for you to see life without a lens of racism.. Let me explain,Americans regard your incessant racial interjections in two ways; they either shut down out of fear of labeled and ignore you outright, or We get pissed off by the incestual insinuations. You seem to know every little about our majority or our common sense.I read you're X phobic, so I found you some "common sense" unfortunately from a different source.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/joe-concha-democrats-common-sense-down-unlikely-trio

 I'm out of time but I'll leave you with this, "The values that unite us,also divide us." 

 

 A resistance alright, a resistance to Not chuckle at Chuck. In 2:43 we may start bombing Canada.

Rizz out.

[billvon 3,006]

10 hours ago, richravizza said:

 Nigel is it possible for you to see life without a lens of racism..

That's the goal of all good white supremacists.  Ban the discussion of racism.  If no one can call you a racist, you can be as white-supremacist as you want and not feel bad about it!  Get rid of all the black people and women in government by calling them DEI.  Ban talking about past racism by banning CRT.

Trump's State Department has come right out and said this.  "Competent white men must be in charge if you want things to work."  But you better not call him racist because rich will be MAD!

[nigel99 501]

6 hours ago, billvon said:

That's the goal of all good white supremacists.  Ban the discussion of racism.  If no one can call you a racist, you can be as white-supremacist as you want and not feel bad about it!  Get rid of all the black people and women in government by calling them DEI.  Ban talking about past racism by banning CRT.

Trump's State Department has come right out and said this.  "Competent white men must be in charge if you want things to work."  But you better not call him racist because rich will be MAD!

There is an interesting split among people I know. Generally the less religious people are horrified at what’s happening, while the religious crowd are cheering it on and celebrating.

[base698 19]

7 hours ago, billvon said:

That's the goal of all good white supremacists.  Ban the discussion of racism.  If no one can call you a racist, you can be as white-supremacist as you want and not feel bad about it! 

There is certainly only one possible frame in a political discussion.  No other possibilities exist outside of standard 2021 shitlib viewpoints.

Edited February 15 by base698

[wmw999 2,457]

1 hour ago, base698 said:

There is certainly only one possible frame in a political discussion.  No other possibilities exist outside of standard 2021 shitlib viewpoints.

Whats a shitlib?

Wendy P. 

[gowlerk 2,216]

9 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Whats a shitlib?

Wendy P. 

Let me answer that one if I may. It is one of the latest attempts at baiting and triggering good people. I've been seeing it on FB the last little while. Some lame attempt to be be "clever" in the usual insulting right wing way. A successor to "cuck". Not something base698 made up on his own but something his tribe as given him as a new code word.

[base698 19]

24 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Whats a shitlib?

Wendy P. 

It's pretty old.  I'd define it as Tumblr views from 2012 teenagers had to be weird that morphed into popular left consensus by 2020.  An obese blue hair with septum piercing advocating for trans surgery would be an extreme example.

Urban dictionary: Person with no core beliefs or values, other than supporting institutional power. Prefers slogans & optics to actual policy.

"partisan hack"

[JoeWeber 2,736]

1 hour ago, base698 said:

It's pretty old.  I'd define it as Tumblr views from 2012 teenagers had to be weird that morphed into popular left consensus by 2020.  An obese blue hair with septum piercing advocating for trans surgery would be an extreme example.

Urban dictionary: Person with no core beliefs or values, other than supporting institutional power. Prefers slogans & optics to actual policy.

"partisan hack"

Thank you kindly for the insight into you. People like you, in particular, confuse me. You are both learned and smart naturally but seem to have, I don't know, blind spots? You know, the same sorts of ones we shitlibs have when we are trying to understand our conservative brothers, sisters straight and gay alike. You are worth listening to, for sure, but I am often of the opinion that you think all of us who lean differently are simpletons.

[base698 19]

7 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

You are worth listening to, for sure, but I am often of the opinion that you think all of us who lean differently are simpletons.

Not simpletons, but if you've only seen the takes on the corporate press (NYT, NBC) you miss a huge part of the picture.  Accusations of, "oh he got that on Fox." No young person, or anyone under 60 watches Fox.  Most cable news now just parrot things that are on Twitter and Reddit.  The corporate press is no longer controlling the narratives and the ones they try to control (on the left and right) look forced and unauthentic if you aren't in that bubble.

In addition, any "news Article" from basically 99% of outlets lack nuance or counterpoints.  Almost every sentence will be misleading and the frame is always something negative, without any counterbalance.  This used to be the hall mark of Fox, but today it's any corporate press article. Consuming content like that, even if you're thinking critically some of the time, is what's caused this general hysteria. 

This frame of racism and white nationalism barely registers in the online world.  No one cares, it's not persuasive and the people on the right (and even the nuanced left accounts) are not motivated by it.  The online nuanced left seems to understand it doesn't work as an attack except to this shitlib group I mentioned.  You see racism in the dark corners of 4chan, but it's not what's driving the new right.

> seem to have, I don't know, blind spots? You know, the same sorts of ones we shitlibs have when we are trying to understand our conservative brothers

I did not vote Trump in 2016, but I didn't vote Hillary either.  My transition, HA, was recent and I would say Covid radicalized me.  It shocked me greatly this group, which probably exposed themselves to danger more in a weekend of jumping, drinking, and electric stars, than getting Covid 10 times were so hysterical.  I understood normies that didn't have the capacity to understand risk and had never been in a dangerous situation outside of driving a car would be afraid.

 

Edited Saturday at 12:19 PM by base698

[wmw999 2,457]

Your use of the word narrative vs information, and your willingness to derive a world view from personal accounts (an even more limited source than media by its very nature) speak volumes. You, along with others your age, do not, in fact, know everything.

Im not saying I do, just that looking at stuff that doesn’t pander, and that doesn’t rely on individual narratives vs data collection, seems to respect the concept that I acknowledge that some of what I don’t know is important. 

Wendy P. 

[jakee 1,500]

9 hours ago, base698 said:

Urban dictionary: Person with no core beliefs or values, other than supporting institutional power. Prefers slogans & optics to actual policy.

You do get that you are describing yourself, right? You don’t believe in democracy, you believe the rich and powerful should be in charge purely by the virtue of being rich and powerful, you’ve completely bought into the slogan of Doge without any concept of what they’re actually doing. You don’t appear to have any motivating beliefs or values beyond a vague desire for revenge against people you blame for your own career failings. 
 

Apart from the fact that shitlibs are obviously ‘other people’ - in what way are you not one under the above definition?

[jakee 1,500]

37 minutes ago, base698 said:

Consuming content like that, even if you're thinking critically some of the time, is what's caused this general hysteria. 

You consumed the narrative that the entire media establishment was being scripted by USAID because someone fed you a video about Sinclair stations and lied to you about what it showed. It made you so hysterical about the conspiracy that you still insist it’s real even though all your evidence for it is gone.

 

And the thing is, right, if you’re so proud of not consuming the media how are you so sure of what it’s doing? You intentionally avoid 99% of media stories yet you know exactly what 99% of those stories say right down to the nuance? How do you know? Who is telling that, and stoking your hysteria?

[base698 19]

12 minutes ago, jakee said:

You consumed the narrative that the entire media establishment was being scripted by USAID because someone fed you a video about Sinclair stations

I remembered the Sinclair piece and looked it up after I saw the USAID and more specifically InterNews thing (which was going around 2 months ago).  I assumed it was related, since the InterNews story is that they promoted the idea of disinformation and as a justification censored content online.  

 

27 minutes ago, jakee said:

And the thing is, right, if you’re so proud of not consuming the media how are you so sure of what it’s doing? You intentionally avoid 99% of media stories yet you know exactly what 99% of those stories say right down to the nuance? How do you know? Who is telling that, and stoking your hysteria?

I've read numerous books on the media (some of which I listed previously*), taken a couple of courses in both media and history.  I've been involved in ad campaigns at small startups and one of the largest companies known for its marketing.

Books:

Trust Me I'm Lying

Amusing Ourselves to Death

Technopoly

Propaganda 

Alchemy 

Presuasion 

Beyond Belief 

The Captive Mind

Culture of Narcissism 

The Righteous Mind

Manufacturing Consent

Media Control 

And more!

[base698 19]

43 minutes ago, jakee said:

You don’t believe in democracy, you believe the rich and powerful should be in charge purely by the virtue of being rich and powerful, you’ve completely bought into the slogan of Doge without any concept of what they’re actually doing. You don’t appear to have any motivating beliefs or values beyond a vague desire for revenge against people you blame for your own career failings. 

I believe the theory "the iron law of oligarchy" is more correct than "we live in a democracy (or even republic." There are various cases made and discussions about why this is the case in "The Machievellians" which is regarded as one of the most insightful books on politics in the 20th century.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy#:~:text=The "iron law of oligarchy" states that all forms of,large groups and complex organizations.

What career failings do you mean?  I was a director of engineering at fortune 5 companies and owned two airplanes.  I recently had my third kid and am working remotely at a fortune 20 while I spend time with them.  

As for DOGE we are close to debt spiral and running off a cliff.  Someone had to do something.

[jakee 1,500]

9 minutes ago, base698 said:

I assumed it was related, since the InterNews story is that they promoted the idea of disinformation and as a justification censored content online.  

Exactly right - you assumed that because the people who sold you the InterNews story are so good at wrapping round their little fingers. 
 

And even now, you still believe the InterNews story despite having no other evidence, and despite finding your one bit of support was actually evidence of the exact opposite.

15 minutes ago, base698 said:

Trust Me I'm Lying

Amusing Ourselves to Death

Technopoly

Propaganda 

Alchemy 

Presuasion 

Beyond Belief 

The Captive Mind

Culture of Narcissism 

The Righteous Mind

Manufacturing Consent

Media Control 

And more!

How long do you think your list of conservative media viewpoints needs to be in order to convince people there’s a conspiracy to suppress conservative views?

[base698 19]

9 minutes ago, jakee said:

And even now, you still believe the InterNews story despite having no other evidence, and despite finding your one bit of support was actually evidence of the exact opposite.

Everyone has priors.  And yes there is media hijacking to influence and propagate stories.  

You can search the payments on government websites for internews. Maybe they were paying $490 million for something other than directly influencing and censoring media narratives, but it looks pretty damning. Especially in light of the internet censorship that we saw 2016 to about 2022 coupled with what Zuckerberg himself has stated was done to meta to get them to comply with censorship. Also, Elon but you probably don't believe the Twitter files story.

In addition, on Reddit, every single subreddit, including ones not related to politics, were completely spammed with Kamala and pro DNC messaging.  

Edited Saturday at 01:39 PM by base698

[jakee 1,500]

12 minutes ago, base698 said:

I believe the theory "the iron law of oligarchy" is more correct than "we live in a democracy (or even republic."

So you might as well dive right in? Ironic that the guys who coined that phrase used it to justify joining the Fascist party. That’s not hyperbole by the way, he literally became a member of Mussolini’s Fascist party because he bought it would help people. What lesson is it that you are taking from that exactly, given that you’re making the exact same mistake all over again 100 years later?

18 minutes ago, base698 said:

What career failings do you mean?  I was a director of engineering at fortune 5 companies

Last time it was Fortune 10, wasn’t it? Your CV is moving up in the world! But you you’ve repeatedly told us your Damascus moment was when your employer decided to fire you and you couldn’t accept that it was a result of your own choices.

[base698 19]

Just now, jakee said:

So you might as well dive right in? Ironic that the guys who coined that phrase used it to justify joining the Fascist party. That’s not hyperbole by the way, he literally became a member of Mussolini’s Fascist party because he bought it would help people. What lesson is it that you are taking from that exactly, given that you’re making the exact same mistake all over again 100 years later?

Last time it was Fortune 10, wasn’t it? Your CV is moving up in the world! But you you’ve repeatedly told us your Damascus moment was when your employer decided to fire you and you couldn’t accept that it was a result of your own choices.

They instituted a vax mandate which I got around for remote workers, partly because of the pushback myself and another person gave. Another company I was at had a attestation that you could check in a portal that they did not verify. My wife's company which was a startup would have fired her over it but she left the workforce due to kids. I was never fired over it. I've never actually been fired at all. 

I expect that to change when all of the fallout from the return to office in the government and all the fallout from the funding pools and government workers getting fired bleeds into the private sector.

[wmw999 2,457]

Dude, nearly everyone here is an expert in their field. That it may not be your field doesn’t really mean it doesn’t matter. After all, a plumber is just a grunt until you need one, and if your posting stream is full of using “plumber” as a pejorative you might find them not giving you top priority.

Wendy P. 

[gowlerk 2,216]

2 hours ago, base698 said:

It shocked me greatly this group, which probably exposed themselves to danger more in a weekend of jumping, drinking, and electric stars, than getting Covid 10 times were so hysterical. 

No one I know was afraid for themselves. We were afraid we would get it and pass it on to vulnerable family members. We were concerned about the hospitals that were overflowing with the ones among us who were the unlucky. We wanted everyone to do everything possible to bring the event to a quicker end. To me and those I know it was about doing the right thing for others. My wife was drafted as a nurse into working ICU and watched as many patients died. Fortunately most lived due to the extreme measure that artificial ventilation is. Not once did she complain about having to switch from her regular job in outpatient cataract surgery to 12 hour overnight weekend shifts in an environment she never trained for but was needed. The healthcare system is still not fully recovered from this event.

People did not get hysterical, they got on and did what was needed to be done. Except for a subset of self entitled complainers who got hysterical when they were asked to make the sacrifice of wearing a mask and helping to protect the vulnerable. I have not forgotten and will likely never forget who refused to help and only complained about the inconvenience.  

Edited Saturday at 02:29 PM by gowlerk

[gowlerk 2,216]

1 hour ago, base698 said:

As for DOGE we are close to debt spiral and running off a cliff.  Someone had to do something.

The something that needs to be done is simple.Raise taxes to pay for the things you want and voted for. DOGE is theatre and nothing else. Both the left and the right want the same thing. Someone else to pay for the cake they are eating.