Nazi flag - OK. Pride flag - not OK.

[billvon 3,049]

In Utah, the pushback against LGBT people intensifies.  HB77 is now being voted on (and will likely pass.)  It is a bill that is intended to ban Pride flags in classrooms - and is now being expanded to ban them in all government buildings.  The relevant language is:

"Any employee of a government entity within a classroom of a school within the public education system, may not:

(a)display a flag in or on the grounds of government property . . . 

(3)The prohibition described in Subsection (2) does not apply to the following flags:

(i)a historic version of a flag described in Subsections (3)(a) through (h) that is temporarily displayed for educational purposes." (3a-h describes all flags except Pride and similar civil-rights flags.)

Also, any staff member who takes down Pride flags is protected - "the attorney general shall defend and the state shall indemnify and hold harmless a person acting under color of state law to enforce this section for any claims or damages."

Thus Confederate flags and Nazi flags are legal to display.  Pride flags are not.  Indeed, the sponsor of the bill confirmed this very point when asked about it: “There are instances where in classrooms, you have curriculum that is needed to use flags such as World War II, Civil War.  You may have a Nazi flag. You may have a Confederate flag, and so you are allowed to display those flags … as part of the curriculum, and that is okay.”

[gowlerk 2,236]

34 minutes ago, billvon said:

In Utah, the pushback against LGBT people intensifies.  HB77 is now being voted on (and will likely pass.)  It is a bill that is intended to ban Pride flags in classrooms - and is now being expanded to ban them in all government buildings.  The relevant language is:

"Any employee of a government entity within a classroom of a school within the public education system, may not:

(a)display a flag in or on the grounds of government property . . . 

(3)The prohibition described in Subsection (2) does not apply to the following flags:

(i)a historic version of a flag described in Subsections (3)(a) through (h) that is temporarily displayed for educational purposes." (3a-h describes all flags except Pride and similar civil-rights flags.)

Also, any staff member who takes down Pride flags is protected - "the attorney general shall defend and the state shall indemnify and hold harmless a person acting under color of state law to enforce this section for any claims or damages."

Thus Confederate flags and Nazi flags are legal to display.  Pride flags are not.  Indeed, the sponsor of the bill confirmed this very point when asked about it: “There are instances where in classrooms, you have curriculum that is needed to use flags such as World War II, Civil War.  You may have a Nazi flag. You may have a Confederate flag, and so you are allowed to display those flags … as part of the curriculum, and that is okay.”

It has been renamed. It's now officially known as "The Shame Flag". The White House will ask Google to comply and being the cowards that they are they will.

[JerryBaumchen 1,415]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

In Utah, the pushback against LGBT people intensifies.  HB77 is now being voted on (and will likely pass.)  It is a bill that is intended to ban Pride flags in classrooms - and is now being expanded to ban them in all government buildings.  The relevant language is:

"Any employee of a government entity within a classroom of a school within the public education system, may not:

(a)display a flag in or on the grounds of government property . . . 

(3)The prohibition described in Subsection (2) does not apply to the following flags:

(i)a historic version of a flag described in Subsections (3)(a) through (h) that is temporarily displayed for educational purposes." (3a-h describes all flags except Pride and similar civil-rights flags.)

Also, any staff member who takes down Pride flags is protected - "the attorney general shall defend and the state shall indemnify and hold harmless a person acting under color of state law to enforce this section for any claims or damages."

Thus Confederate flags and Nazi flags are legal to display.  Pride flags are not.  Indeed, the sponsor of the bill confirmed this very point when asked about it: “There are instances where in classrooms, you have curriculum that is needed to use flags such as World War II, Civil War.  You may have a Nazi flag. You may have a Confederate flag, and so you are allowed to display those flags … as part of the curriculum, and that is okay.”

Hi Bill,

As I said back in 2015, 'Most Americans do not know what is hiding under the rocks.'

We are starting to learn.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,790]

4 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Bill,

As I said back in 2015, 'Most Americans do not know what is hiding under the rocks.'

We are starting to learn.

Jerry Baumchen

Jerry,

As you know for 15 years we have proudly flown a spread of huge feather flags in a Rainbow above our spectator area  that is visible from all roads and neighboring houses and businesses. The only thing we would change is if larger flags were available. I am super proud that all of my staff and jumpers are in full support.

Joe

Edited February 15 by JoeWeber