Tell me again how Trump isn't a Russian stooge?

[wmw999 2,507]

56 minutes ago, dogyks said:

I agree that Trump is unbelievably awful.

Unfortunately, Harris is worse.

Is it her party, her gender, her color, or her cackle that makes her worse? I'm asking because she's not actively vindictive, so that eliminates a whole lot of comparisons to Trump.

If Trump's going to be such a fiscal conservative, how come he wasn't in his last term -- especially during the first two years when he had control of the House and the Senate. Don't forget that he didn't have a Senate minority leader whose stated goal was to block every.single.thing that was proposed.

If you'll recall, there was an actual bipartisan bill to address immigration AND the budget in 2013; it wasn't pretty, but it passed the Senate, but the Republican-controlled House, of course, refused to vote on it. Just as they refused to vote on a Supreme Court justice when Scalia died in February.

Sorry, but the Republican playbook of the last 25-30 years appears to be "my way or fuck you." I don't really think that's governing, it's poisoning the well.

Wendy P.

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31 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

Only the unknowing think otherwise.

Jerry Baumchen

Fatuous as usual.

All cost functions aren't interchangeable. You pick your battles.

[JoeWeber 2,790]

10 minutes ago, dogyks said:

Fatuous as usual.

All cost functions aren't interchangeable. You pick your battles.

Wowser! How smart sounding is that? Actually, the analogy you might better have used is that you pick your team. Or if you are more into the David and Goliath thing you pick your champion. In either case you own the outcome and if what is coming out now is to your liking then the distance between our world views is vast.

[jakee 1,553]

1 hour ago, dogyks said:

I agree that Trump is unbelievably awful.

Unfortunately, Harris is worse.

A rapist? An insurrectionist? An election fraudster? A best friend of Putin? A dismantler of NATO? A destroyer of the independence of law enforcment and justice from political control? A normaliser, even legaliser of poitical corruption? A person causing indiscriminate damage to the essential organs of the federal government that will cost countless billions to fix in the short and long term? 

I mean, what exactly was she worse at?

[jakee 1,553]

39 minutes ago, dogyks said:

Fatuous as usual.

You mean like 'whatever Trump does Harris is worse'? As fatuous as that?

[dogyks 9]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Wowser! How smart sounding is that? Actually, the analogy you might better have used is that you pick your team. Or if you are more into the David and Goliath thing you pick your champion. In either case you own the outcome and if what is coming out now is to your liking then the distance between our world views is vast.

That's rather a given.

[billvon 3,049]

3 hours ago, dogyks said:

I agree that Trump is unbelievably awful.

Unfortunately, Harris is worse.

If you hate liberals you voted for Trump.

If you loved democracy, you voted for Harris.

Simple.

[JoeWeber 2,790]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

You mean like 'whatever Trump does Harris is worse'? As fatuous as that?

I think he was being flatulent.

[BIGUN 1,370]

11 hours ago, billvon said:

If you loved democracy, you voted for Harris.

Democracy, my ass. An installed puppet of the DNC and a felon-conman. Those were our choices. 

[kallend 2,094]

A Magic 8-Ball would be preferable to Trump. 

At least it isn't a vindictive bully.

Edited February 25 by kallend

[dogyks 9]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

A Magic 8-Ball would be preferable to Trump. 

At least it isn't a vindictive bully.

In 'Band of Brothers' Captain Sobel was depicted as an officious prick of the first order.  The capriciousness of his command was entirely unforgivable and the Paratroopers he trained quite rightly hated his guts.

In retrospect it was noted that the survival rate of his command was unusually high, perhaps due to his cruelty when preparing them for the unforgiving nature of combat.

Having said that, the survivors still loathed him.

I was braced for Trump coming in and blundering about as he did last time.  Instead, he sought to rip government funded DEI out by the roots and addressed government bloat with a chainsaw instead of pruning shears.

Having consulted at numerous companies with seriously defective cultures, those that took a kinder, gentler approach are gone with the wind.  Those that performed emergency surgery had a painful recovery period, but thrived thereafter.

The key to a successful presidency starts with the first 100 days, and Trump is off to an impressive start.  I have full confidence that he can still fuck things up beyond recognition (Ukraine started it? Jesus...), but so far the approach is about as effective as could be hoped.

Milton Friedman was serious when he listed government agencies that should be summarily abolished, and it looks like some of them are slated to go in the dustbin of history.

Having more than passing familiarity with USAID, I'm impressed that they started there.

 

[jakee 1,553]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Democracy, my ass. An installed puppet of the DNC and a felon-conman. Those were our choices. 

Right, a Democrat or a multiple Felon conman. Tell me again how you’re not one of the most intransigently partisan people here if you think those two things are the same?

[jakee 1,553]

33 minutes ago, dogyks said:

In retrospect it was noted that the survival rate of his command was unusually high, perhaps due to his cruelty when preparing them for the unforgiving nature of combat.

Having said that, the survivors still loathed him.

I’ve heard that view before and it’s an interesting view. The combat leaders they actually had in Normandy and beyond (Winters/Spears) were almost universally loved and/or respected by the men… so the rush to give all the credit to the guy who was a dick is slightly strange to me.

37 minutes ago, dogyks said:

I was braced for Trump coming in and blundering about as he did last time.  Instead, he sought to rip government funded DEI out by the roots and addressed government bloat with a chainsaw instead of pruning shears.

But he’s not though, is he? The mass firings have zero connection to DEI, zero connection to performance. He’s ripping acceptable staffing levels out by the roots, period. None of your vague platitudes change how shortsighted, dangerous and ultimately counterproductive and expensive that is.

[kallend 2,094]

This quote from John Bolton gets it: “He can’t tell the difference between his own personal interest and the national interest, if he even understands what the national interest is.” (John Bolton served as national security adviser in Trump’s first term).

Trump recognizes no distinction between what is public and private, legal and illegal, formal and informal, national and personal.

 

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17 minutes ago, kallend said:

This quote from John Bolton gets it: “He can’t tell the difference between his own personal interest and the national interest, if he even understands what the national interest is.” (John Bolton served as national security adviser in Trump’s first term).

Trump recognizes no distinction between what is public and private, legal and illegal, formal and informal, national and personal.

 

This supports my contention that calling him a 'liar' is meaningless, given that 'truth' is to him simply an abstraction.

[GeorgiaDon 377]

8 minutes ago, dogyks said:

This supports my contention that calling him a 'liar' is meaningless, given that 'truth' is to him simply an abstraction.

And somehow that made him the best choice for president?

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Just now, GeorgiaDon said:

And somehow that made him the best choice for president?

Less worst.

[billvon 3,049]

4 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Democracy, my ass. An installed puppet of the DNC and a felon-conman. Those were our choices. 

"Installed puppet of the DNC" - we heard the same thing about Biden and Obama.  Wasn't true then either.

Our choices were a woman with a stupid laugh and a felon/conman.  The woman respected the institutions of democracy; the con man does not.  Simple choice if you care about democracy.

[jakee 1,553]

2 hours ago, dogyks said:

Less worst.

Because why? Reasons?

[JoeWeber 2,790]

10 minutes ago, jakee said:

Because why? Reasons?

Why? Well, because as they say at the club, "she's not right".

[JoeWeber 2,790]

6 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Democracy, my ass. An installed puppet of the DNC and a felon-conman. Those were our choices. 

Being an installed puppet is more disqualifying? Okay, if that's true there must be a chart you can provide that compares less worse scenarios between puppets and criminals. For example, would an installed DNC Puppet be better than an aggravated assaulter, grand thefter sort of fellow? Or maybe just being a puppy kicking son-of-a-bitch would make the grade? Do tell.

[BIGUN 1,370]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

Our choices were a woman with a stupid laugh and a felon/conman.

That's my point. This is where we're at. 

[JoeWeber 2,790]

6 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

That's my point. This is where we're at. 

Except that a variety of complimentary descriptors and points of virtue can also be used to describe Harris. Whereas for Trump it only gets worse.

[jakee 1,553]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

That's my point. This is where we're at. 

Your point is that you didn’t vote for her because she had a stupid laugh… and that reflects badly on some other people?

[normiss 835]

On 2/24/2025 at 2:36 PM, dogyks said:

I agree that Trump is unbelievably awful.

Unfortunately, Harris is worse.

Complete and utter bullshit.