#tregret

[jakee 1,528]

7 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

So tell me, when General Motors has a big layoff do you think they go thru each individual employees tracks record?  

So tell me when GM employees voted to be laid off?

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I seriously doubt it,  get real out there people your going to lose some good people  when you have big layoffs,  

Which circles back nicely to the point of the thread, which is that Trump and Musk lied to their voters about what they were planning to do, and now a lot of people are regretting believing them.

[jakee 1,528]

1 minute ago, dogyks said:

It should, however, balance the budget. Printing currency to account for overspending has been done repeatedly, and the only difference in outcome is when and how bad.

And of course one of the best ways to do that is to cripple the revenue generating arm of the organisation. Yeah, it's for sure all about that balance. Totally.

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20 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Do you think government is a business?

Wendy P. 

No, that is an impossibility but that does not mean that it shouldn't be run effectively.

[wmw999 2,475]

1 minute ago, SCS422 said:

No, that is an impossibility but that does not mean that it shouldn't be run effectively.

How do you define effectively?

Wendy P. 

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4 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

How do you define effectively?

Wendy P. 

Let's weed out inefficiency.  

get rid of the excess population in the govt. sectors that are not needed, not doing their jobs etc.  why should the general population pay the excessive salary of someone who is not needed in their position or is excess to the job being performed.  

Edited Thursday at 07:42 PM by SCS422

[JoeWeber 2,760]

36 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

So tell me, when General Motors has a big layoff do you think they go thru each individual employees tracks record?  I seriously doubt it,  get real out there people your going to lose some good people  when you have big layoffs,  

Do you have that level of HR experience in a downsizing big business?

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1 minute ago, JoeWeber said:

Do you have that level of HR experience in a downsizing big business?

No, I do not but I doubt that you have either.

[JoeWeber 2,760]

4 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

No, I do not but I doubt that you have either.

True, but it’s you making the claims about how a big business chooses who to layoff something that you know nothing about. 

[kallend 2,056]

39 minutes ago, dogyks said:

It should, however, balance the budget. Printing currency to account for overspending has been done repeatedly, and the only difference in outcome is when and how bad.

And repeatedly the sky didn't fall.

[kallend 2,056]

42 minutes ago, dogyks said:

It should, however, balance the budget. Printing currency to account for overspending has been done repeatedly, and the only difference in outcome is when and how bad.

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Edited Thursday at 07:57 PM by kallend

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2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

True, but it’s you making the claims about how a big business chooses who to layoff something that you know nothing about. 

Read carefully how I worded that statement.  I said I doubted that they would look at each individual case, Which makes sense when you think about it but I will admit I do not know for sure.  That does not mean I cannot venture an opinion about it.

[kallend 2,056]

18 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

Let's weed out inefficiency.  

get rid of the excess population in the govt. sectors that are not needed, not doing their jobs etc.  why should the general population pay the excessive salary of someone who is not needed in their position or is excess to the job being performed.  

Ah yes, getting rid of surplus population.  Scrooge is an appropriate metaphor for Trump and Musk.

 

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3 minutes ago, kallend said:

Ah yes, getting rid of surplus population.  Scrooge is an appropriate metaphor for Trump and Musk.

 

Typical liberal "out of context reply"

[wmw999 2,475]

27 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

Typical liberal "out of context reply"

Interesting how you are one of few conservative posters (generally the kool-aid drinkers) who doesn’t post endless narrative videos for our edutainment. Nobody watches them, and I completely understand why you’d ignore this one.

That said, do you know how “useless” is being defined? And useless to whom? Because, well, there are plenty of services I pay taxes for that I don’t use directly; drug rehab, prescription benefits, wars (what exactly was Iraq supposed to protect us from?), voter ID. But I’m not so short-sighted as to think that I have to personally benefit from today’s efforts of each and every functionary.

If I were in charge, I’d start with Medicare for all, no more school vouchers, and a top-down and bottom-up AI analysis of overlapping laws and regulations, with a view to identifying redundancies, conflicts, and anachronisms. Also the ones with extremely low applicability (although in a country of hundreds of millions, there can be hundreds of thousands of “one in a thousand” cases.

But it’s a start. The medical motto is “first, do no harm, not “shoot first and ask questions later.” I happen to believe that as a rule, curing isn’t as good as preventing  

Wendy P. 

[GeorgiaDon 369]

36 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

Let's weed out inefficiency.  

get rid of the excess population in the govt. sectors that are not needed, not doing their jobs etc.  why should the general population pay the excessive salary of someone who is not needed in their position or is excess to the job being performed.  

Who gets to judge those things, though?  Currently it is a crew of inexperienced 19-23 year old coders who might be able to write script but clearly have not a clue about anything else.  Cuts are being made on the basis of what Elon Musk thinks is useful to himself.  He is of course well known for his lack of ability to care about anyone except himself and his 10,000 offspring (or so I infer from his statements and behavior), so condemning a few million people to die of malaria, HIV, or starvation is a small price to pay if he gets his tax cuts and trip to be the king of Mars.

When Congress creates programs and allocates money, the Executive Branch has no constitutional authority to kill or defund those programs.  The Executive can lobby Congress to get rid of such programs, but to do so they would have to convince Congress to take responsibility.  Unfortunately the current cult formerly known as the Republican Party is all too happy to let Musk, who doesn't have to worry about re-election, take the heat for killing programs and ruining many lives, at least until he goes after Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (which will begin any day now) and 2/3 of the people who vote R suddenly find themselves in line at the soup kitchen.   I fear, though, that virtually every Republican congresscritter will discover that they have no idea where to look for their cojones after Trump and Musk cut them off and fed them to a drove of pigs.

[JerryBaumchen 1,384]

56 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

Let's weed out inefficiency.  

get rid of the excess population in the govt. sectors that are not needed, not doing their jobs etc.  why should the general population pay the excessive salary of someone who is not needed in their position or is excess to the job being performed.  

Hi 422,

I spent 30 yrs as an employee of the fed gov't.

I think I know a little more about it than you do.

As I have posted, not that long ago, you do not cut a steak with a machete.

There are guidelines to removing/downsizing people.  The Trump admin is riding rough-shod over those guidelines.  If it were you, I truly believe that you would scream like the proverbial baby.

As I continue to say:  It is all well & good until it is your ox getting gored.

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,384]

6 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Interesting how you are one of few conservative posters (generally the kool-aid drinkers) who doesn’t post endless narrative videos for our edutainment. Nobody watches them, and I completely understand why you’d ignore this one.

That said, do you know how “useless” is being defined? And useless to whom? Because, well, there are plenty of services I pay taxes for that I don’t use directly; drug rehab, prescription benefits, wars (what exactly was Iraq supposed to protect us from?), voter ID. But I’m not so short-sighted as to think that I have to personally benefit from today’s efforts of each and every functionary.

If I were in charge, I’d start with Medicare for all, no more school vouchers, and a top-down and bottom-up AI analysis of overlapping laws and regulations, with a view to identifying redundancies, conflicts, and anachronisms. Also the ones with extremely low applicability (although in a country of hundreds of millions, there can be hundreds of thousands of “one in a thousand” cases.

But it’s a start. The medical motto is “first, do no harm, not “shoot first and ask questions later.”

Wendy P. 

Hi Wendy,

Great post - you nailed it.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan campaigned on 'The gov't is not the solution to the problem, it is the problem.'

There was quite a fair amount of what Reagan advocated for once he got into office, that I agreed with.

IMO the problem was that he tried to turn around 40 yrs of social engineering in 4 yrs.  

Just like the Titanic, once they saw the iceberg it was too late.

By 1983, we were in a recession.

The Trump is doing the same thing, only worse.  I'll give Reagan one thing, he knew where he wanted to go.  Trump & his minions have not a clue.

Jerry Baumchen

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10 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Interesting how you are one of few conservative posters (generally the kool-aid drinkers) who doesn’t post endless narrative videos for our edutainment. Nobody watches them, and I completely understand why you’d ignore this one.

That said, do you know how “useless” is being defined? And useless to whom? Because, well, there are plenty of services I pay taxes for that I don’t use directly; drug rehab, prescription benefits, wars (what exactly was Iraq supposed to protect us from?), voter ID. But I’m not so short-sighted as to think that I have to personally benefit from today’s efforts of each and every functionary.

If I were in charge, I’d start with Medicare for all, no more school vouchers, and a top-down and bottom-up AI analysis of overlapping laws and regulations, with a view to identifying redundancies, conflicts, and anachronisms. Also the ones with extremely low applicability (although in a country of hundreds of millions, there can be hundreds of thousands of “one in a thousand” cases.

But it’s a start. The medical motto is “first, do no harm, not “shoot first and ask questions later.” I happen to believe that as a rule, curing isn’t as good as preventing  

Wendy P. 

That sounds good to me, there is no "cure all".

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16 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi 422,

I spent 30 yrs as an employee of the fed gov't.

I think I know a little more about it than you do.

As I have posted, not that long ago, you do not cut a steak with a machete.

There are guidelines to removing/downsizing people.  The Trump admin is riding rough-shod over those guidelines.  If it were you, I truly believe that you would scream like the proverbial baby.

As I continue to say:  It is all well & good until it is your ox getting gored.

Jerry Baumchen

You are probably right, I would cry like a baby but what are the federal guide lines for removing people and can you show me where he is riding rough-shod over these guidelines because if he is then he is in direct violation of the guidelines but if not then he is doing it right.

[JerryBaumchen 1,384]

8 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

You are probably right, I would cry like a baby but what are the federal guide lines for removing people and can you show me where he is riding rough-shod over these guidelines because if he is then he is in direct violation of the guidelines but if not then he is doing it right.

Hi 422,

That would take the rest of my life.  The federal regs on termination are VERY lengthy.  

I read about one fellow last week, he was within 4 yrs of retirement, then he got axed.

I can guarantee you, unless there was something I know nothing about, this was not within the guidelines for termination.

You could always call OPM and ask them for the guidelines, if you really wanted to know.

I spent 30 yrs working in the system and I did not come near knowing them all.

Fortunately, we had personnel in HR who did know them & could advise as needed.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Here's one for you:  Do you collect your full Soc Sec benefits?  As a fed retiree, I do not.  The Biden admin, during their last days, have corrected that.  I doubt that even that new legislation will make me whole.  It is always easy to not give a shit about the 'other guy.'

And, once again:  It is all well & good until it is YOUR ox that is getting gored.

Edited Thursday at 09:10 PM by JerryBaumchen

[jakee 1,528]

1 hour ago, SCS422 said:

Let's weed out inefficiency.  

get rid of the excess population in the govt. sectors that are not needed, not doing their jobs etc.  why should the general population pay the excessive salary of someone who is not needed in their position or is excess to the job being performed.  

So again, exactly what Trump and Musk are not doing.

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17 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi 422,

That would take the rest of my life.  The federal regs on termination are VERY lengthy.  

I read about one fellow last week, he was within 4 yrs of retirement, then he got axed.

I can guarantee you, unless there was something I know nothing about, this was not within the guidelines for termination.

You could always call OPM and ask them for the guidelines, if you really wanted to know.

I spent 30 yrs working in the system and I did not come near knowing them all.

Fortunately, we had personnel in HR who did know them & could advise as needed.

Jerry Baumchen

I am going to do a search for that info.        I did a little search on that subject and your right it is an extensive subject however there are quite a few options left to the fired personnel.  There are many options left open and it is tough to just discriminate in the firing process.

Edited Thursday at 09:25 PM by SCS422
further searching

[jakee 1,528]

13 minutes ago, SCS422 said:

You are probably right, I would cry like a baby but what are the federal guide lines for removing people and can you show me where he is riding rough-shod over these guidelines because if he is then he is in direct violation of the guidelines but if not then he is doing it right.

Not guidelines - laws. He’s breaking the law. And damn if the lawsuits and payouts aren’t going to put more than a dent in any ‘efficiency’ gains. 

Edited Thursday at 09:11 PM by jakee

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9 minutes ago, jakee said:

Not guidelines - laws. He’s breaking the law. And damn if the lawsuits and payouts aren’t going to put more than a dent in any ‘efficiency’ gains. 

 

9 minutes ago, jakee said:

Not guidelines - laws. He’s breaking the law. And damn if the lawsuits and payouts aren’t going to put more than a dent in any ‘efficiency’ gains. 

O.K. quote me which laws he is breaking?????????????????

[GeorgiaDon 369]

Musk and Trump are "trimming waste and inefficiency in the government" in the same way that Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease only ablates the parts of the brain you don't really need.  I suspect the motivation really is to render most of the government (the parts that actually deliver services to the people) unable to function, in order to then abolish them altogether.  It's not a coincidence that the people driving this destruction are either oligarchs who stand to profit off the wreckage, or Christian Nationalists (such as Russel Vought and Pete Hegseth) who see evangelical Christian churches taking over once secular government is out of the way.