Measles

[kallend 2,094]

 Now (at least) 228 cases and 2 deaths  in the Texas/New Mexico outbreak, with cases in some 10 other states.

Thanks, anti-vaxxers!  Remember to give cod liver oil to your kids like RFK Jr suggests.

 

[BIGUN 1,370]

15 minutes ago, kallend said:

228 cases and 2 deaths  in the Texas/New Mexico outbreak,

It happens yearly and is still far less than 2019 (yet)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/186678/new-cases-of-measles-in-the-us-since-1950/

There's a lot of reasons to not like RFK Jr., but the Mennonites in west Texas are traditionally the reason . . . 

https://time.com/7262199/mennonites-measles-outbreak-texas-vaccines-explainer/

[base698 20]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

It happens yearly and is still far less than 2019 (yet)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/186678/new-cases-of-measles-in-the-us-since-1950/

There's a lot of reasons to not like RFK Jr., but the Mennonites in west Texas are traditionally the reason . . . 

https://time.com/7262199/mennonites-measles-outbreak-texas-vaccines-explainer/

1/4 to half the cases in a given year are also in vaccinated.

[kallend 2,094]

34 minutes ago, base698 said:

1/4 to half the cases in a given year are also in vaccinated.

Not in this outbreak.  5% of the cases are reported in those who've been vaccinated.

Edited March 8 by kallend

[kallend 2,094]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

It happens yearly and is still far less than 2019 (yet)

 

We're only 9 weeks into 2025 so far.

[jakee 1,553]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

It happens yearly and is still far less than 2019 (yet)

A lot less than the worst year in 3 decades? Must be fine then, let’s all knock off early and go to the pub.

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

There's a lot of reasons to not like RFK Jr., but the Mennonites in west Texas are traditionally the reason . . . 

https://time.com/7262199/mennonites-measles-outbreak-texas-vaccines-explainer/

Of course the Mennonites in west Texas are mostly confined to Mennonite communities in west Texas. RFK has a somewhat wider influence now.

Edited March 8 by jakee

[billvon 3,049]

10 hours ago, kallend said:

Not in this outbreak.  5% of the cases are reported in those who've been vaccinated.

We'll see if RFK can get that number even lower!  Lower numbers are good, right?

[oldwomanc6 59]

I had it as a kid.( 6 yrs old).

Spent awhile in the dark.  Seemed forever to me. I couldn't read ( or they wouldn't let me, anyway).

Got over it.    Never actually knew of a child who died of it..

[JerryBaumchen 1,415]

51 minutes ago, oldwomanc6 said:

I had it as a kid.( 6 yrs old).

Spent awhile in the dark.  Seemed forever to me. I couldn't read ( or they wouldn't let me, anyway).

Got over it.    Never actually knew of a child who died of it..

Hi Lisa,

You do now.

Jerry Baumchen

[jakee 1,553]

3 hours ago, oldwomanc6 said:

I had it as a kid.( 6 yrs old).

Spent awhile in the dark.  Seemed forever to me. I couldn't read ( or they wouldn't let me, anyway).

Got over it.    Never actually knew of a child who died of it..

In the 1960s an average of 500 people a year died of it. But what’s 500 kids in a population of 200M? I can see why you wouldn’t think that matters.

But the way measles generally kills is a swelling of the brain until it is crushed inside your own skull. Back before the measles vaccine no one ever tracked how many kids were left with permanent brain injuries and disabilities from severe but non fatal cases. 

[kallend 2,094]

25 more cases in Texas since Friday.  New cases in NM and OK too.

[GeorgiaDon 377]

On 3/9/2025 at 3:15 AM, jakee said:

In the 1960s an average of 500 people a year died of it. But what’s 500 kids in a population of 200M? I can see why you wouldn’t think that matters.

But the way measles generally kills is a swelling of the brain until it is crushed inside your own skull. Back before the measles vaccine no one ever tracked how many kids were left with permanent brain injuries and disabilities from severe but non fatal cases. 

Measles also has an even more important secondary effect.  It's long been known that people who get measles have a highly significantly increased risk of dying from other infectious diseases for up to 5 years after the measles episode.  A couple of years ago it was discovered that the measles virus kills or inhibits B-cells, the cells that produce antibodies, including memory B-cells, which are responsible for much of the immune memory you develop after vaccination or after exposure to infectious agents.  The immune response is suppresses to a degree similar to HIV for about a year, and it takes up to 5 years to recover normal immune function. It is estimated that before widespread vaccination, measles was involved, directly or indirectly, in as much as 50% of childhood deaths from whooping cough, rubella, and other serious infections.

Edited March 12 by GeorgiaDon

[JoeWeber 2,790]

On 3/12/2025 at 4:09 AM, GeorgiaDon said:

Measles also has an even more important secondary effect.  It's long been known that people who get measles have a highly significantly increased risk of dying from other infectious diseases for up to 5 years after the measles episode.  A couple of years ago it was discovered that the measles virus kills or inhibits B-cells, the cells that produce antibodies, including memory B-cells, which are responsible for much of the immune memory you develop after vaccination or after exposure to infectious agents.  The immune response is suppresses to a degree similar to HIV for about a year, and it takes up to 5 years to recover normal immune function. It is estimated that before widespread vaccination, measles was involved, directly or indirectly, in as much as 50% of childhood deaths from whooping cough, rubella, and other serious infections.

True, but that was before the discovery of Homeopathy which fixed everything.

[kallend 2,094]

On 3/8/2025 at 8:06 AM, base698 said:

1/4 to half the cases in a given year are also in vaccinated.

Up to 259 in TX right now, with only 2 in fully vaccinated individuals.  296 total in the TX/NM/OK outbreak.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/measles-cases-linked-texas-outbreak-grows-259-2/story?id=119799576

[BIGUN 1,370]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Homeopathy which fixed everything.

Ivermectin. Ivermectin fixes everything.  

[JoeWeber 2,790]

2 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Ivermectin. Ivermectin fixes everything.  

And Green Tea Tree extract mixed with dead mouse paste. In news about real medicine with proven results, Coca Leaf farmers in Bolivia are pushing to market the leaves worldwide. Yum.

[wmw999 2,507]

4 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

And Green Tea Tree extract mixed with dead mouse paste. In news about real medicine with proven results, Coca Leaf farmers in Bolivia are pushing to market the leaves worldwide. Yum.

I've had coca tea (common in Cuzco). It's not awesome, and it doesn't get you high. I'll pass.

Wendy P.

[JoeWeber 2,790]

6 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

I've had coca tea (common in Cuzco). It's not awesome, and it doesn't get you high. I'll pass.

Wendy P.

You need to chew the leaves with a little baking soda. (from the internet.....)

[kallend 2,094]

5 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

I've had coca tea (common in Cuzco). It's not awesome, and it doesn't get you high. I'll pass.

Wendy P.

Me too.  Have we been to all the same places?

[dogyks 9]

7 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

I've had coca tea (common in Cuzco). It's not awesome, and it doesn't get you high. I'll pass.

Wendy P.

It apparently wards off altitude sickness, to which my son was subject in Cuzco.

I passed on munching the leaves in Machu Picchu.

[dogyks 9]

3 minutes ago, kallend said:

Me too.  Have we been to all the same places?

I blew off Antarctica.

[nigel99 551]

27 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Ivermectin. Ivermectin fixes everything.  

No shit! My sister was telling me it could cure our uncle’s stage 4 cancer a week ago.

[JoeWeber 2,790]

2 minutes ago, dogyks said:

I blew off Antarctica.

I intend to as well. Seems like 3+ days there and the same days back for 3-4 days of standing on ice staring at penguins and sea lions and it ain't cheap. I don't doubt the nightly talking to's are awesome though.  

[GeorgiaDon 377]

23 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

... staring at penguins and sea lions ...

You can do that in the Galapagos, and the weather's a lot better than Antarctica.  Probably cheaper too, although not inexpensive.  I'll be back there in a couple of months.

[JoeWeber 2,790]

10 minutes ago, GeorgiaDon said:

You can do that in the Galapagos, and the weather's a lot better than Antarctica.  Probably cheaper too, although not inexpensive.  I'll be back there in a couple of months.

The penguins there aren't much of a show but swimming with the baby sea lions is beyond cool.