BIGUN 1,368 #1 Posted March 21 (edited) Man, what a goat fuck. I think the DoEd could have used some process engineering and some trimming of fat, but Trump cannot simply by the stroke of a pen eradicate a legislative cabinet without going thru congress. Sumpin about Article 1, Sec 1 & 2 comes to mind. This will probably be quite the legal drama. I'm beginning to think Bernie is right - more of both sides should register Independent. Edited March 21 by BIGUN 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,790 #2 March 21 37 minutes ago, BIGUN said: Man, what a goat fuck. I think the DoEd could have used some process engineering and some trimming of fat, but Trump cannot simply by the stroke of a pen eradicate a legislative cabinet without going thru congress. Sumpin about Article 1, Sec 1 & 2 comes to mind. This will probably be quite the legal drama. I'm beginning to think Bernie is right - more of both sides should register Independent. And I think you SF guys should exercise your second amendment rights, form a militia, and march somewhere, anywhere, to make a point. Sadly, Andy of Mayberry is also retired so we're running out of options. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,415 #3 March 21 1 hour ago, BIGUN said: Man, what a goat fuck. I think the DoEd could have used some process engineering and some trimming of fat, but Trump cannot simply by the stroke of a pen eradicate a legislative cabinet without going thru congress. Sumpin about Article 1, Sec 1 & 2 comes to mind. This will probably be quite the legal drama. I'm beginning to think Bernie is right - more of both sides should register Independent. Hi Kieth, Well, I did that long ago. Just recently I was reading that, here in Oregon, the non-affiliated [ our term for 'independent' ] are in the majority. Far more than either 'major' party. On this we can definitely agree. Jerry Baumchen PS) Now, we just every primary in this country to be an open primary. That'll set those 'major' party folks back. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Wang 63 #4 March 21 Why are you surprised - this has been on his agenda long before the election. It was predictable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,415 #5 March 21 19 minutes ago, David Wang said: Why are you surprised - this has been on his agenda long before the election. It was predictable. Hi David, Just curious; who said that they were 'surprised?' Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 550 #6 March 22 6 hours ago, BIGUN said: Man, what a goat fuck. I think the DoEd could have used some process engineering and some trimming of fat, but Trump cannot simply by the stroke of a pen eradicate a legislative cabinet without going thru congress. Sumpin about Article 1, Sec 1 & 2 comes to mind. This will probably be quite the legal drama. I'm beginning to think Bernie is right - more of both sides should register Independent. Unfortunately I think it’s too late for the US and you won’t recover from this. Both sides of the isle and the judiciary dropped the ball many years ago. Other than Bernie and AOC (possibly Waltz), there are no visible leaders actively promoting a viable alternative and drawing attention to the state of things and offering to fight. So the constitution is a meaningless pierce of paper now. I hope I’m proven wrong 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,415 #7 March 22 1 hour ago, nigel99 said: Unfortunately I think it’s too late for the US and you won’t recover from this. Both sides of the isle and the judiciary dropped the ball many years ago. Other than Bernie and AOC (possibly Waltz), there are no visible leaders actively promoting a viable alternative and drawing attention to the state of things and offering to fight. So the constitution is a meaningless pierce of paper now. I hope I’m proven wrong Hi Nigel, IMO you are wrong. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murps2000 86 #8 March 22 4 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Nigel, IMO you are wrong. Jerry Baumchen Denial is the first step. I’ve already accepted that we’re pretty much fucked. We’re basically Hungary now, and if Trump continues to have his way we will become Russia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 550 #9 March 22 23 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Nigel, IMO you are wrong. Jerry Baumchen I hope I am. It’s not something I enjoy seeing happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Wang 63 #10 March 22 5 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi David, Just curious; who said that they were 'surprised?' Jerry Baumchen Because the tone of the post made it seem like they were surprised. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,790 #11 March 22 1 hour ago, nigel99 said: I hope I am. It’s not something I enjoy seeing happening. Because you have heirs that will be affected and hope springs eternal. World events happen at speeds that are often too fast or too slow for most to perceive. Here we have bits of both. Simply there is no reason to think things will get better anytime soon. Just be rational and think about what will happen when he ignores a Supreme Court decision. We really don’t have options except our military. And that , sport fans, is why I keep hammering BIGUN: thank you for your service but now please stand up or say that you agree with this erosion of our democracy or are willing to put your service in defense of America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 550 #12 March 22 13 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Because you have heirs that will be affected and hope springs eternal. World events happen at speeds that are often too fast or too slow for most to perceive. Here we have bits of both. Simply there is no reason to think things will get better anytime soon. Just be rational and think about what will happen when he ignores a Supreme Court decision. We really don’t have options except our military. And that , sport fans, is why I keep hammering BIGUN: thank you for your service but now please stand up or say that you agree with this erosion of our democracy or are willing to put your service in defense of America. I’m half way across the world and luckily in one of the most remote cities (Perth). I’ve never been a one of the prepar type people, but my kids and I are in the process of buying a couple of hundred acres down south. Sadly I can see the time coming where you need to be able to be largely self sufficient and am lucky enough to have the resources and location to do it. On the plus side if the world returns to sanity we will have a lovely property for hunting and having fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,790 #13 March 22 1 hour ago, nigel99 said: I’m half way across the world and luckily in one of the most remote cities (Perth). I’ve never been a one of the prepar type people, but my kids and I are in the process of buying a couple of hundred acres down south. Sadly I can see the time coming where you need to be able to be largely self sufficient and am lucky enough to have the resources and location to do it. On the plus side if the world returns to sanity we will have a lovely property for hunting and having fun. We liked Yallingup above every other place in Oz we looked at for emigration. I’ll guess prices are higher now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,368 #14 March 22 13 hours ago, JoeWeber said: exercise your second amendment rights, form a militia, and march somewhere, anywhere, to make a point. Cause, ya know, Jan 6th was a great template for a demonstration model. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,368 #15 March 22 11 hours ago, David Wang said: Why are you surprised - this has been on his agenda long before the election. It was predictable. What I find/found surprising was the slash & burn methodology. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,368 #16 March 22 1 hour ago, JoeWeber said: every other place in Oz we looked at for emigration. You want me to stand up while you pursue emigration? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,236 #17 March 22 2 hours ago, BIGUN said: Cause, ya know, Jan 6th was a great template for a demonstration model. There is nothing wrong that can’t be fixed in the next election or two. Provided they are allowed to happen. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,553 #18 March 22 3 hours ago, BIGUN said: What I find/found surprising was the slash & burn methodology. This is what I find surprising about the American right, that they are surprised by something that was spelled out in glowing neon letters during the campaign. Trump during the campaign: Says repeatedly he will do something outrageous when in power. Republicans: You libs should stop being so hyperbolic, you’re not supposed to take him literally! Trump in office: Does exact outrageous thing he said he would do. Republicans: If only someone could have warned us this was going to happen! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,790 #19 March 22 4 hours ago, BIGUN said: You want me to stand up while you pursue emigration? Stand not for me but for the democracy and constitution you swore an oath to protect. The idea of moving to Australia was decades ago but the idea is certainly being reborn today, just not Oz this go. Think of it like a protest vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,790 #20 March 22 4 hours ago, BIGUN said: Cause, ya know, Jan 6th was a great template for a demonstration model. So you agreed with the protesters motives and actions? Seriously what do you believe? Is it that as odious as things are and as much harm to innocents as is happening all in all good things are happening that wouldn’t otherwise so let’s just wait and see? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,049 #21 March 22 25 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: So you agreed with the protesters motives and actions? I think you may have missed the sarcasm there. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,790 #22 March 22 47 minutes ago, billvon said: I think you may have missed the sarcasm there. Misplaced sarcasm with a dollop of misdirection I thought. Maybe I’m out of line and just plain wrong but I think an uprising by our vets could make a difference. Marches, gatherings, interviews on the news etc. might have a positive effect. The real problem, I think, is that too many aren’t convinced that things are going in the wrong direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,049 #23 March 22 1 hour ago, JoeWeber said: Misplaced sarcasm with a dollop of misdirection I thought. Maybe I’m out of line and just plain wrong but I think an uprising by our vets could make a difference. Take a look at VoteVets. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,553 #24 March 22 7 hours ago, BIGUN said: Cause, ya know, Jan 6th was a great template for a demonstration model. That's a great point, just like intervening to stop a street mugging is the same thing as helping a mugger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,790 #25 March 22 1 hour ago, billvon said: Take a look at VoteVets. I have. All talk, seems to me: asking for money, lobbying etc. If I thought 10,000 Skydivers throwing a hissy fit would capture Americas attention I'd be in but it wouldn't. On the other hand 10,000 uniformed retired US soldiers decrying the pulverization of our Constitution in the public square would be news and get interviews and just might inspire some politicians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites