An alternative view on tariffs?

[nigel99 560]

3 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Nigel,

It is a moral question.  I believe in welfare; but, not as a career choice.  I also acknowledge that some people simply cannot work.

My maternal grandmother was a perfect example.  In 1945, when she was 66, her husband died suddenly.  She had always been a farmer's wife.  The State of Washington gave her a small monthly stipend.  This kept her in the house & food, clothing, etc.  When she died in 1967, the State of Washington claimed everything that she had; which was really only the house.

I was quite happy with all of that.

Also, Ronald Reagan wanted anyone on welfare to work.  He advocated that they manually sweep the streets.  Move the garbage one way one day & move it back the next day; rinse & repeat.

I think that the question comes down to how much empathy one has for his fellow man/woman/children.

I know that I do not have the solution; but, I do care.

Jerry Baumchen

My ex came from a “career welfare” family. Her father had never had a job and she really struggled with me working as she was used to her father and previous partners being home all day. 

There are a reasonable number of people who deliberately blow interviews in order to remain on our jobseekers payment system. 

Many people like my ex who are from generations of welfare lack the skills to work, and I don’t just mean having a trade or qualification. It’s incredibly sad and I don’t judge them. 

Many of my relatives had to do a year of compulsory military service growing up. A six to 12 month mandatory service sounds like a good thing.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

19 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

My ex came from a “career welfare” family. Her father had never had a job and she really struggled with me working as she was used to her father and previous partners being home all day. 

There are a reasonable number of people who deliberately blow interviews in order to remain on our jobseekers payment system. 

Many people like my ex who are from generations of welfare lack the skills to work, and I don’t just mean having a trade or qualification. It’s incredibly sad and I don’t judge them. 

Many of my relatives had to do a year of compulsory military service growing up. A six to 12 month mandatory service sounds like a good thing.

You just did judge them and judged they should be. If someone is old and infirm or disabled and are without resources I begrudge not a penny of my taxes paid. However if you are able to work at something but simply unwilling then my sense of humanity begins to slip and I can better imagine helping you by providing a stick with a nail in the end and a bag for the garbage you stab.

[nigel99 560]

18 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

You just did judge them and judged they should be. If someone is old and infirm or disabled and are without resources I begrudge not a penny of my taxes paid. However if you are able to work at something but simply unwilling then my sense of humanity begins to slip and I can better imagine helping you by providing a stick with a nail in the end and a bag for the garbage you stab.

I think you missed my point (but then at the moment I’m dosed up on opioids so good chance in a few weeks I look back and see my posts were as coherent as Rich’s.).

Often people who grow up in welfare don’t have the life skills to work. It’s not a judgement, I don’t see them as evil dole bludgers. I don’t know how you teach those skills, but a short stint in the military seems like an ideal opportunity. 

[wmw999 2,521]

16 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Often people who grow up in welfare don’t have the life skills to work. It’s not a judgement, I don’t see them as evil dole bludgers. I don’t know how you teach those skills, but a short stint in the military seems like an ideal opportunity. 

This, a thousand times this. There's a reason why there are "career skills" classes at junior colleges. To me, junior colleges are a gem, and deserve our support, because they're really there to help people change the direction of their lives in an achievable way. They're more interested in keeping you in that kicking you out.

Wendy P.

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

33 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

This, a thousand times this. There's a reason why there are "career skills" classes at junior colleges. To me, junior colleges are a gem, and deserve our support, because they're really there to help people change the direction of their lives in an achievable way. They're more interested in keeping you in that kicking you out.

Wendy P.

Hi Wendy,

And, quite often those "career skills" classes lead to person going even further.

That was me; I started out to become a draftsman.  I was getting nothing but A's & B's when the major instructor [ a retired engineer ] convinced me that I could make it as an engineering major.

And, here I am; a retired Mech Engr who had a very nice career.

I am a strong supporter of junior colleges; and, advocate them being tuition-free if one keeps up their grades.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[JoeWeber 2,810]

52 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

I think you missed my point (but then at the moment I’m dosed up on opioids so good chance in a few weeks I look back and see my posts were as coherent as Rich’s.).

Often people who grow up in welfare don’t have the life skills to work. It’s not a judgement, I don’t see them as evil dole bludgers. I don’t know how you teach those skills, but a short stint in the military seems like an ideal opportunity. 

Then give them a uniform, an orange vest and a white hard hat for example, and at days end pay them based on production followed by a nice inspirational speech -before dinner- explaining the direct life skills connection between their tiny burger and how hard they worked and Maryann's big burger and how hard she worked. 

[johnhking1 97]

19 hours ago, nigel99 said:

I don’t know how you teach those skills, but a short stint in the military seems like an ideal opportunity. 

I had thought for some time that something similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps would be a good idea.  There are many parks that could use a little improvement and beautification.  Young people may learn some skills, responsibilities and discipline.

[wmw999 2,521]

42 minutes ago, johnhking1 said:

I had thought for some time that something similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps would be a good idea.  There are many parks that could use a little improvement and beautification.  Young people may learn some skills, responsibilities and discipline.

I'm totally in favor of something like that, and even making it effectively mandatory for everyone for the year after high school or after you turn 18. Exceptions if you're too aggressively violent or crazy to function in the real world, or not out of high school yet but still attending, in the military, or doing essential work in the scientific community (i.e. if you are, in fact, the next Albert Einstein, far be it from me to suggest that you take a year off your career). That would include the children of rich parents.

Wendy P.

 

[JoeWeber 2,810]

45 minutes ago, johnhking1 said:

I had thought for some time that something similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps would be a good idea.  There are many parks that could use a little improvement and beautification.  Young people may learn some skills, responsibilities and discipline.

 

2 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

I'm totally in favor of something like that, and even making it effectively mandatory for everyone for the year after high school or after you turn 18. Exceptions if you're too aggressively violent or crazy to function in the real world, or not out of high school yet but still attending, in the military, or doing essential work in the scientific community (i.e. if you are, in fact, the next Albert Einstein, far be it from me to suggest that you take a year off your career). That would include the children of rich parents.

Wendy P.

 

Sure, but we need to accept that it'll be folks with harder hearts than most making the calls. Also, what's the plan for those who just refuse? 

[BIGUN 1,399]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Also, what's the plan for those who just refuse? 

Canada. Worked during Vietnam. 

[nigel99 560]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

I'm totally in favor of something like that, and even making it effectively mandatory for everyone for the year after high school or after you turn 18. Exceptions if you're too aggressively violent or crazy to function in the real world, or not out of high school yet but still attending, in the military, or doing essential work in the scientific community (i.e. if you are, in fact, the next Albert Einstein, far be it from me to suggest that you take a year off your career). That would include the children of rich parents.

Wendy P.

 

Pretty much everyone I know who had to do national service looks back on it as a positive experience that they are glad they did. 

I think there is something to be said for a gap year and giving to the community in some way and it should be mandatory. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

6 hours ago, wmw999 said:

I'm totally in favor of something like that, and even making it effectively mandatory for everyone for the year after high school or after you turn 18. Exceptions if you're too aggressively violent or crazy to function in the real world, or not out of high school yet but still attending, in the military, or doing essential work in the scientific community (i.e. if you are, in fact, the next Albert Einstein, far be it from me to suggest that you take a year off your career). That would include the children of rich parents.

Wendy P.

 

Hi Wendy,

Eisenhower was an advocate of Universal Military Service.  Knowing that some people just want nothing to do with the military, I could see a year of mandatory service as you suggest or two years in the military; take your pick.

I believe that Isreal requires an 18 month service in the military for everyone.  They seem to survive it OK.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[nigel99 560]

https://www.thefp.com/p/im-a-soybean-farmer-who-voted-for

Poor guy voted for Trump but the tariffs are threatening his business and he’s worried that if China takes its business elsewhere it won’t come back. 

[murps2000 86]

15 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

https://www.thefp.com/p/im-a-soybean-farmer-who-voted-for

Poor guy voted for Trump but the tariffs are threatening his business and he’s worried that if China takes its business elsewhere it won’t come back. 

Trump might bail some farmers out again like he did last time so he’ll probably be okay. Meanwhile soybean harvest in Brazil is at record highs. China has other options.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

7 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Canada. Worked during Vietnam. 

I liked your post for the fantasy only. I just cannot wait until the lovers of personal liberty see the result of going into the projects to collect those poor unemployed for their beneficial national service time.

[billvon 3,063]

11 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

I just cannot wait until the lovers of personal liberty see the result of going into the projects to collect those poor unemployed for their beneficial national service time.

They won't bat an eye.  THEIR personal liberties are not being infringed.  It's only the blacks and the sluts and the illegals and the America-haters and the libs and the Muslims and the fags and the trannies and the Trump haters and the non-Americans who will be impacted.

[normiss 846]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

They won't bat an eye.  THEIR personal liberties are not being infringed.  It's only the blacks and the sluts and the illegals and the America-haters and the libs and the Muslims and the fags and the trannies and the Trump haters and the non-Americans who will be impacted.

AND ......... 

 

 

See y'all in the camps, if I make it that far. Which feels doubtful.

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

Hi folks,

I am reading quite a bit about Trump's on/off tariffs.  First, he imposes very severe tariffs; then he takes them back.  Then China retaliates.  Then Trump blinks again:  Smartphones and computers are exempt from Trump's reciprocal tariffs : NPR

Art of the Deal my ass.  This idiot has no idea on what he is doing.

I notice that he seems to take great pride every time he signs an Executive Order.  He reminds me of a two year old with his first crayon.  Especially with that goofy smile of his.

What a ride,

Jerry Baumchen

 

[jakee 1,558]

36 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

I am reading quite a bit about Trump's on/off tariffs.  First, he imposes very severe tariffs; then he takes them back.  Then China retaliates.  Then Trump blinks again:  Smartphones and computers are exempt from Trump's reciprocal tariffs : NPR

Wait, I thought putting tiny screws into iPhone cases for minimum wage was going to be the New American Dream?

[nigel99 560]

5 hours ago, jakee said:

Wait, I thought putting tiny screws into iPhone cases for minimum wage was going to be the New American Dream?

5 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

I am reading quite a bit about Trump's on/off tariffs.  First, he imposes very severe tariffs; then he takes them back.  Then China retaliates.  Then Trump blinks again:  Smartphones and computers are exempt from Trump's reciprocal tariffs : NPR

Art of the Deal my ass.  This idiot has no idea on what he is doing.

I notice that he seems to take great pride every time he signs an Executive Order.  He reminds me of a two year old with his first crayon.  Especially with that goofy smile of his.

What a ride,

Jerry Baumchen

 

What you’re missing is he declares the tariffs with great fanfare and Fox etc cover it, then he quietly gives exemptions and they don’t. Average MAGA still thinks tariffs are in place and Trump is “winning”

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

What you’re missing is he declares the tariffs with great fanfare and Fox etc cover it, then he quietly gives exemptions and they don’t. Average MAGA still thinks tariffs are in place and Trump is “winning”

Hi Nigel,

Nope:  it is astounding the amount of people —from a variety of backgrounds— who are denouncing the very man they just knew would help them prosper.

Here's 15 Reasons Why Trump Supporters Now Regret Their Vote

Donald Trump’s Voters Were Sold a Lemon and Are Now Having Buyer’s Remorse.

"These Tariffs Are Killing Me": MAGA Voters Are Getting Honest About How Trump's New Tariffs Are Affecting Them, And They're Not Holding Back

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Google & about 30 seconds of my time found those.  You should try it.

 

[jakee 1,558]

5 hours ago, nigel99 said:

What you’re missing is he declares the tariffs with great fanfare and Fox etc cover it, then he quietly gives exemptions and they don’t. Average MAGA still thinks tariffs are in place and Trump is “winning”

In fact there was so much fanfare around the tariffs that the media are barely covering anything else. His Ukraine negotiations have been an abject failure in persuading Putin to do anything at all (as they were always going to be) and you don’t hear a thing about it. 

Edited Sunday at 05:05 AM by jakee

[kallend 2,106]

I wonder how many MAGA-ites even know the names of the Greek letters used in the  magic tariff  formula.

[BIGUN 1,399]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

know the names of the Greek letters used in the  magic tariff  formula.

i don't think it matters. 

[kallend 2,106]

5 hours ago, kallend said:

I wonder how many MAGA-ites even know the names of the Greek letters used in the  magic tariff  formula.

 

4 hours ago, BIGUN said:

i don't think it matters. 

No doubt, because they can't do math anyway.