Hovergirl 0 #1 February 24, 2013 Hi everyone! I'm subscribing to the notion that there is no such thing as a stupid question. Can anyone diagram the exit positions and names for me. I'm thinking about a coach rating in the future and I see mention of a various positions such as floaters etc. in the IRM I've exited in various positions but don't know what they are called. Thank you, Kandace Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5.samadhi 0 #2 February 24, 2013 not sure how everybody else uses the term, but I have heard floater pretain more to your position relative to the formation and not in particular relative to a cessna exit. there are many ways to exit from a cessna. my favorite way is to grab the side near the bottom of the door with my right hand and stick my right foot on the step while my body hangs somewhat under the plane. It makes for an interesting angle and plenty of space for others to get out on the step (just hope they dont accidentally step on your hand!!!!). I also like to get out as far as possible with my back to the wind facing backwards and hang on to the strut and sitfly off the plane. Since you are planning on your coach rating why dont YOU diagram the different ways to exit a cessna??? Peace!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #3 February 24, 2013 You are reading topics from the Coach proficiency card. A floater exit refers to exiting outside the door on a turbine aircraft. With a Cessna, almost everyone is outside the door. For students, exits would either be hanging (hanging from the strut, common for S/L), poised (feet on the step, facing forward, common AFF exit position), or diving ( usually with one foot out on the step, one foot in the door sill, facing backwards). What I have candidates teach, assuming they are from a Cessna DZ for the floater exit is a poised exit if they teach static line and a hanging exit if they teach AFF, because their students will already be familiar with the other style of exit from the first jump course. The exit positions for RW (FS) are inside or outside step, crotch and door. I'm glad to see you already studying the IRM.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raveninca 0 #4 February 24, 2013 We teach a fourth exit called "dynamic" which is from the v of the strut (sitting in the v with right foor on the step and the right hand on the fro t door frame) this allows them to get use to what is required later on when launching 4 ways from a cessna. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,407 #5 February 24, 2013 Quotehanging exit if they teach AFF Never seen this. Where is the Main Side if the student is hanging?Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dthames 0 #6 February 24, 2013 QuoteWe teach a fourth exit called "dynamic" which is from the v of the strut (sitting in the v with right foor on the step and the right hand on the fro t door frame) this allows them to get use to what is required later on when launching 4 ways from a cessna. From the V, linked: We did those if the coach wanted to be sure to stay close. We would release after exit for some redock and level change type jumps.Instructor quote, “What's weird is that you're older than my dad!” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #7 February 24, 2013 QuoteWe teach a fourth exit called "dynamic" which is from the v of the strut (sitting in the v with right foor on the step and the right hand on the fro t door frame) this allows them to get use to what is required later on when launching 4 ways from a cessna. This is what we call the crotch position.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #8 February 24, 2013 QuoteQuotehanging exit if they teach AFF Never seen this. Where is the Main Side if the student is hanging? This exit is NOT used in AFF, but is common in static line. I have my candidates teach it to students trained AFF because it is an exit they have probably not done while going through the AFF program. Just like S/L students have probably not done a poised exit on the step prior to coach jumps (now Cat D and above in S/L and IAD).This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hovergirl 0 #9 February 24, 2013 Quote You are reading topics from the Coach proficiency card. A floater exit refers to exiting outside the door on a turbine aircraft. With a Cessna, almost everyone is outside the door. For students, exits would either be hanging (hanging from the strut, common for S/L), poised (feet on the step, facing forward, common AFF exit position), or diving ( usually with one foot out on the step, one foot in the door sill, facing backwards). What I have candidates teach, assuming they are from a Cessna DZ for the floater exit is a poised exit if they teach static line and a hanging exit if they teach AFF, because their students will already be familiar with the other style of exit from the first jump course. The exit positions for RW (FS) are inside or outside step, crotch and door. I'm glad to see you already studying the IRM. Thank you very much for answering my question. I appreciate it very much. Also thank you to everyone else for the insights. Kandace P.S. Definitely need to study to SIM and IRM more! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #10 February 24, 2013 Quotenot sure how everybody else uses the term, but I have heard floater pretain more to your position relative to the formation and not in particular relative to a cessna exit. there are many ways to exit from a cessna. my favorite way is to grab the side near the bottom of the door with my right hand and stick my right foot on the step while my body hangs somewhat under the plane. It makes for an interesting angle and plenty of space for others to get out on the step (just hope they dont accidentally step on your hand!!!!). I also like to get out as far as possible with my back to the wind facing backwards and hang on to the strut and sitfly off the plane. Since you are planning on your coach rating why dont YOU diagram the different ways to exit a cessna??? Peace!!! Don't think that either of these would be appropriate for a student exit, although I've seen student do worse.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #11 February 27, 2013 The terms that I'm familiar with are, hanging, step/poised, V, and in the door, or last. When launching, nobody truly hangs, that guy will have one foot on the step, one arm on the strut, and one grip.Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites