Emergency Procedures - Side by Side

[milehigheric 0]

I'm not sure how training is done in other parts of the country (that alone the world) but it seems plausible to me that one would want to make the AFF course as simple is practicably possible.

Giving a student so much information in such a short period is asking for trouble in my opinion. You can't put everything there is to know into a first jump course, and there will always be trade offs - perhaps RSL EP's (and the deliberate non-disconnecting rigging) are part of this?

Im not saying I agree with it or not, but I can see the logic. I'm assuming it's an attempt at removing a decision from the student that needs to take place during a mal. Is it better for a student to look up and see an un land-able mal and commence EP's immediately or waste time thinking about what to do with their RSL?

I would not call this alone a 'hole in my training'. If my instructor(s) never followed it up and I was left looking at my gear going "what the fuck is this" then that opinion might be different.

[ChrisD 0]

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Perfect... Thanks so much for the links.

Dear BigMike,

I have your safety formost in mind, with that said the question you have originally asked is quite disturbing to me! Not every DZ opeerates like the one you are currently at. If you have to ask this particular question via e-mail then perhaps, and this is a heart felt suggestion, you might be better served by jumping elsewhere! Because something is wrong somewhere! It may be an unitentional ommision, which in itself is a little scarey...but learning to jump from a book is not a good idea. Asking questions and developing a thick skin, for this you get a couple of points and I'm glad you took the time to ask!
C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[popsjumper 2]

Yes, agree that you can't throw everything at them at once. You get the important stuff first - the life-threatening stuff. EPs are that. Handling the RSL is part of your EPs.

And yes, you do want to make it as simple as possible. But NOT at the expense of survival. You want to do everything you can to help them survive unhurt.

Over the entire country there are many, many modifications to any and all USPA training methods...and that's a whole other problem.

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Im not saying I agree with it or not, but I can see the logic. I'm assuming it's an attempt at removing a decision from the student that needs to take place during a mal.

Meh...if it doesn't impact his chances of survival, sure. Knowing how to spot is one of those items. It's my firm opinion that properly handling the RSL is not and it should be covered in the FJC.

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Is it better for a student to look up and see an un land-able mal and commence EP's immediately or waste time thinking about what to do with their RSL?

Please do not think of handling your RSL as 'wasted time'. It's not that at all. Indeed, the RSL is part of more than one EP.

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I would not call this alone a 'hole in my training'. If my instructor(s) never followed it up and I was left looking at my gear going "what the fuck is this" then that opinion might be different.

Which is apparently exactly what the OP had.

Just out of curiosity, what other life-threatening things would you be comfortable with not knowing about during training jumps?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

One more thing about the K.I.S.S. principle...

Take a look at the USPA-recommended EPs for 2-out.
One configuration says land it
One says you may or may not breakaway
One says you breakaway

One doesn't mention RSL, two do.

So, what does ol' Stu do? He looks at what he's got and runs an If/Then through his brain to check the configuration for RSL handling.
"If I have this, disconnect the RSL, if not, don't bother."

Eliminating handling of the RSL could be a mistake.

You can't eliminate the configuration decision-making, but AHHH! we CAN simplify things for ol' Stu by eliminating the RSL If/Then decision-making process.
"Stu, anytime you see two canopies over your head automatically disconnect the RSL".

He doesn't have to decide RSL or not and he gets it done every time because he's drilled it and if the configuration or situation doesn't require it, no harm, no foul.

You may not feel the need to even tell him why. YMMV.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239