Andrewwhyte 1 #26 February 2, 2010 Quote Sure it's expensive to be a part of this sport, but at least the gear wear out gets unfashionable quick! I look at it as a privilege not a right, and yes a rather costly one at that...but hey it's like going to a nice club with a hefty cover charge, if it keeps out the riff raff it's WORTH IT! If it kept out the riff raff who would be the staff? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #27 February 2, 2010 Quote Quote Some say greed is undesirable but capitalism disagrees. Increasing regulation on sport and entertainment and the manufacturing of equipment for same shrinks the number of souls who can participate and thereby increases profit for the chosen few. You mean like professional skydiving entertainment companies that go all around the country taking work away from the locals? Well played ma'am.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #28 February 2, 2010 QuoteI met a guy in that business who said the demand so outstrips the supply as to make your notion of "taking" ... into something else. Perhaps those entertainment companies (and the golden recruiters too) actually stimulate the local demand for safe, affordable, exciting aerial entertainment if the audiences approve of what they saw while the "taker" was about. That same guy said he talks to many civilians who resent recruiters pretending to be entertainers in order to place their children in mental states like Ft. Hood's shrink Hasan et.al. It's the supply side that needs attention ... like, um a growing population perhaps So it's not okay for dzo's, gear manufacturers/dealers and/or aircraft owners to make money off the sport, but it is okay for non-military affiliated demo jumpers to make money off the sport? Is it okay for instructors to make money off students in your world, or should they all teach for free? After all, learning to jump is expensive; if we want more skydivers we should be willing to teach them for nothing right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #29 February 2, 2010 QuoteHave a Starbucks and make new friends I'm probably going to hell, but I couldn't stop laughing at your attachment. Good stuff. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #30 February 2, 2010 Quote Its Schlatter. No more calls, we have a winner. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #31 February 2, 2010 Quote Quote Well said. I've gotten a little jaded these days, but that was better than I could say it. Yeah, I probably dissed USPA more than I should have. Just have to understand how pissed off a lot of us were at the time it went down. I know off-hand, more than a few old-timers that just quit their membership over that. I elected to just let my ratings lapse. I was annoyed at the results too, but in reality they probably didn't have a legal leg to stand on to begin with and kicking them out probably wasn't the best in hindsight. Then again if you have legal insurance vs. lawyers on staff, they are more concerned about costs than justice. These days, the USPA is little more than another target for shotgun lawsuits in these sorts of situations. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #32 February 2, 2010 QuoteUSPA could lead us toward deregulation if we voted out the greedy, the recruiters and the crooks. USPA can't lead us toward deregulation. Regulation is the reason for the organization. Skydiving in the US is not regulated by the government beyond the applicable FAR's relating to aircraft and property. Why? Because USPA exists so that we can self-regulate. Without regulation from USPA, who is going to step in? Do you think the FAA will allow skydiving to continue without being regulated in some way? Without self-regulation from USPA, skydiving in the US would be regulated by the FAA (ie the guvmint). We only need to look at skydiving in the UK to see how much more expensive skydiving could be with the assistance of bureaucrats. Personally, I'd much rather have some people who really give a shit about the sport - even if I don't agree with them or particularly like them personally - deciding what needs regulating within the sport over FAA bureaucrats who have no clue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #33 February 2, 2010 please go see your doctor and get back n your meds, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harryson 0 #34 February 2, 2010 Quote it just never stops.. Never is a large word. Are you immortal or did your woman teach you that?Skydiving will stop some day. Hope I'll go dead all ready. U2 prolly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #35 February 3, 2010 Quote but it is okay for non-military affiliated demo jumpers to make money off the sport? Demo jumpers make MONEY??! When the Hell did THAT happen? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #36 February 3, 2010 Quote Quote but it is okay for non-military affiliated demo jumpers to make money off the sport? Demo jumpers make MONEY??! When the Hell did THAT happen? And then there is the 10% that didn’t get the memo. But fear not there is an incentive package in committee to cover under employed demo jumpers. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #37 February 3, 2010 Quote Demo jumpers make MONEY??! When the Hell did THAT happen? Popsjumper's hopes and dreams shot to hell. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harryson 0 #38 February 3, 2010 Quote It's the supply side that needs attention ... like, um a growing population perhaps So it's not okay for dzo's, gear manufacturers/dealers and/or aircraft owners to make money off the sport, but it is okay for non-military affiliated demo jumpers to make money off the sport? Is it okay for instructors to make money off students in your world, or should they all teach for free? After all, learning to jump is expensive; if we want more skydivers we should be willing to teach them for nothing right? Only guessing whether your screen-name implies you pump more estrogen than testosterone, I must say your comprehensive misunderstanding and presumptions of my intent SHOUT female ... for me at the moment of this writing. No offense intended, your hindness, some of my best fucks were female. (what'll she make out of THAT one boys? Care to guess?) In "MY WORLD" young lady, I ask questions of speakers until I believe I sense the feeling beneath the volcano. I believe in the popular idiom "It's ALL GOOD." I also suspect that very people I ever met know how to believe that really. We all do our best, and wee all want the same thing, all wee hairy apes of the future. Jump on this, sweetie pie. Go on down faster toward the center of the earth with us all ... no contact necessary. Galileo was forced to recant about big ball's relationships. smiling was a private matter back then too as now on dz.com Stoke's jayz: will somebody just shut him up? Fire when ready. Sambo. It's our modus operandi. Frank Zappa wrote: "It should be easy to see. The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #39 February 3, 2010 I think you're having a moment of clarity here... I can almost understand you. But I'm still completely missing your point. I know your opinions on certain people and certain groups within our little sport. But I haven't figured out what the heck your point is in this thread. Explain exactly what "regulations" make this sport too expensive. What rules would you do away with to lower the cost? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcordell 2 #40 February 3, 2010 Slyde right? You aren't making much effort to hide yourself with your new names eh? You also seem to be repeating yourself. http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/General_Skydiving_Discussions_F18/All_Pilots_Are_Swimmers_P3552071/www.facebook.com/FlintHillsRigging Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #41 February 3, 2010 He's not trying to hide himself with new usernames. All the others have been banned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #42 February 3, 2010 Quote Quote It's the supply side that needs attention ... like, um a growing population perhaps So it's not okay for dzo's, gear manufacturers/dealers and/or aircraft owners to make money off the sport, but it is okay for non-military affiliated demo jumpers to make money off the sport? Is it okay for instructors to make money off students in your world, or should they all teach for free? After all, learning to jump is expensive; if we want more skydivers we should be willing to teach them for nothing right? Only guessing whether your screen-name implies you pump more estrogen than testosterone, I must say your comprehensive misunderstanding and presumptions of my intent SHOUT female ... for me at the moment of this writing. No offense intended, your hindness, some of my best fucks were female. (what'll she make out of THAT one boys? Care to guess?) In "MY WORLD" young lady, I ask questions of speakers until I believe I sense the feeling beneath the volcano. I believe in the popular idiom "It's ALL GOOD." I also suspect that very people I ever met know how to believe that really. We all do our best, and wee all want the same thing, all wee hairy apes of the future. Jump on this, sweetie pie. Go on down faster toward the center of the earth with us all ... no contact necessary. Galileo was forced to recant about big ball's relationships. smiling was a private matter back then too as now on dz.com Stoke's jayz: will somebody just shut him up? Fire when ready. Sambo. It's our modus operandi. Frank Zappa wrote: "It should be easy to see. The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe." See...I would have taken that one in a whole different direction. Maybe clarify the possibly inaccurate misconception she has regarding 'non-military affiliated demo jumpers' making money. You know the drill even better than I do~ The reason many 'unsponsored' civilian Skydivers do demonstration jumps is because we love doing it. If you were to break down the cost of investment and the hours put in divided by the net profit, you would be lucky to see minimum wage! Or...maybe bring up how 'in theory' anyway, military demonstration teams have an unfair and even possibly unlawful advantage when it comes to the BUSINESS of Skydiving demos. Show me ANY other business venture that I have to fund my competition (tax dollars) with 25-30 million a year so they can undercut the market. ~in a 'fair' market on a level playing field...if a military demonstration team had to operate as WE civilians do, paying for aircraft, fuel, equipment, training, ground support, insurance, marketing & advertising as well as travel...they would be bankrupt & out of business before even getting started. ~in the 'real' world we have to constantly do little cost/benefit analysis regarding justification for expenditures. The common sense & logic constraints we factor in don't apply to military demo teams in that even though it's has been shown time and again, disbursing tax dollars under the guise of 'recruitment' in that manner is actually an extremely ineffective utilization of said resources when measured in a cost per exposure vs. recruitment contracts signed model...they get to do it anyway 'cause it's kick ass FUN! You MIGHT have even touched on the comment she made about taking business from 'local' jumpers, and explained the vast difference between 'put together' and 'professional' performances. How the customer chose my product over theirs for whatever reason...and to be upset with ME because they have an inferior product is ludacris and idiotic. .....BUT NOOOO!!! ~You instead rant on about 'best fucks' & 'volcanoes' & 'hairy center of the earth apes'. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #43 February 3, 2010 Quote Quote Quote but it is okay for non-military affiliated demo jumpers to make money off the sport? Demo jumpers make MONEY??! When the Hell did THAT happen? And then there is the 10% that didn’t get the memo. But fear not there is an incentive package in committee to cover under employed demo jumpers. Sparky ~So what you're sayin' is ...there's a 'BAIL OUT' package for Skydivers?! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #44 February 3, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote but it is okay for non-military affiliated demo jumpers to make money off the sport? Demo jumpers make MONEY??! When the Hell did THAT happen? And then there is the 10% that didn’t get the memo. But fear not there is an incentive package in committee to cover under employed demo jumpers. Sparky ~So what you're sayin' is ...there's a 'BAIL OUT' package for Skydivers?! Is that called the Golden Parachute? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harryson 0 #45 February 3, 2010 Quote Slyde right? You aren't making much effort to hide yourself with your new names eh? You also seem to be repeating yourself. http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/General_Skydiving_Discussions_F18/All_Pilots_Are_Swimmers_P3552071/ I have been told that Slyde is quite the asshole. Cannot say without verification. Safety in aviation I believe is designed by the departments of redundancy departments. Pass words. Thank. Wheels of government turn slowly. Uncharacteristically, wheels of change are seen preceded in their rotation by thoughts and ideas. Gravity is defined as acceleration over time. Here on this forum, acceleration seems excessively opposed by the friction of the atmosphere. Such drags increase perhaps too with the squares on their velocities. [:) Do the math. Thanks. plummet safe friends don't help friends shoot friends Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harryson 0 #46 February 3, 2010 Quote I think you're having a moment of clarity here... I can almost understand you. But I'm still completely missing your point. I know your opinions on certain people and certain groups within our little sport. But I haven't figured out what the heck your point is in this thread. Explain exactly what "regulations" make this sport too expensive. What rules would you do away with to lower the cost? Dave Thank you, Dave! Those moments should last a lifetime ... but my memory is the second shortest thing I've got. That bony-headed guy Airtwardo gets at some good points in his text above. I particularly liked the " ... because we love doing it" excuse for not making a profit. The entire aviation industry is little more than labors of love ... unless you're trained for Camelot's table in which case ... you know the rest. A famous dead guy from Harrisburg said: "A sale without a profit is a donation." My friend the entertainer thinks that the market for skydiving entertainment has not yet been invented. He says there might never be enough entertainers to service the demand that lies and awaits a supply. He says the outdoor entertainment industry told him this is true ... again, and again. and again ... all of 'em. What's in the way? ... a way ... ? ... a weigh, away me hearties.Joe and Joseph Smith both had problems with women and ass holes. prophetic what a herd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #47 February 3, 2010 Awesome. Now one more time, dumbed down so I have some idea what you mean, please. Use phrases I know, like "demo jump." And just say what you mean... I'm not good with poetry/insane rants. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #48 February 3, 2010 QuoteMaybe clarify the possibly inaccurate misconception she has regarding 'non-military affiliated demo jumpers' making money. I only know what my s/o was paid for doing a demo with one of those traveling professional skydiving entertainment companies. It was - financially - well worth his time and effort. Quoteand to be upset with ME because they have an inferior product is ludacris and idiotic. Why do you assume that I'm upset? I'm all for people making money at skydiving. It's the OP who appears to have a problem with that. I was just trying to point out one (of many) flaw in the OP's logic. Bitching about one group of people making money in the sport but being okay with another group doing the same thing doesn't add up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,997 #49 February 4, 2010 After reading all these posts I feel both shame at all the money I've made on demos and anger that I haven't made more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aykay 0 #50 February 4, 2010 Im confused. Is he having a go at the military demo teams taking money away from his demo business? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
