Rover 11 #1 March 28, 2012 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10795216# 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksimsf 0 #2 March 28, 2012 By the age of 5 he will be an AFFI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #3 March 28, 2012 I liked this: "We have to be very careful in the sport with letting very young children [go] . . . They still have a problem with structuring and growing of their brains. The freefall and the opening can cause quite a radical shift of the cerebral fluids." "It is not healthy for a child younger than perhaps 4 or 5 to do a tandem because the harness doesn't fit their small body ... It can imbalance them and actually cause them damage [in the brain]." And then you have the problem with the rarefied air molecules occasionally causing TM's to pound their landings. But at least the kid can breathe through his skin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #4 March 28, 2012 How could you miss this one - "Mr Marriott said he wouldn't be surprised if people reacted negatively to his taking Elijah skydiving, but the boys had been around the sport for most of their lives and were therefore different from other children" Most of his life? The kid is two, so most of his life is anything over 1 year. Does 1 year on the DZ, minus time spent learning to walk and not shit your pants, really qualify you to jump? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,323 #5 March 28, 2012 Aaron, please help me understand that when you say, ""I don't think I would take any other person's child ... It's just something special I can do with my boys" why you're more concerned for other people's kids than your own?!?!?!? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #6 March 28, 2012 >Aaron, please help me understand that when you say, ""I don't think I would take >any other person's child ... It's just something special I can do with my boys" why >you're more concerned for other people's kids than your own? I understand my kid better than other people's, so that might be a reason. Is he going to freak out? Does he respond well to noise, motion, unusual situations? Does he like similar things? That's something you might know about your child but not anyone else's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,323 #7 March 28, 2012 Perhaps, but we both know there is no means test for anyone of any age and their reaction to the first time out of a plane. Instead of addressing Aaron, which is not going to change his mind... I'll just say that I really think this is in bad form on many fronts. I can't speak for New Zealand's child protection laws, but if they're even close to here... if the kid even breaks a finger and goes to the ER and someone says, "So, Little One, how did you hurt your finger?" and the kid says, "My daddy took me on a skydive." Well, it's just not worth the risk in my book. My little one is coming up on five and is quite the daredevil. There's just no way Daddy is going to let her jump until she reaches the age of majority. I do not think any parent has the right to place their minor child in a potentially life-threatening situation. Our job is to protect our kids. We say, "You can do everything right and still have a wrong outcome" until we start discussing young'uns jumping out of planes and then we act as if nothing could happen.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #8 March 28, 2012 Not any moreSkydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5.samadhi 0 #9 March 28, 2012 whats the worst that could happen its only skydiving Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #10 March 28, 2012 >Perhaps, but we both know there is no means test for anyone of any age and their >reaction to the first time out of a plane. Agreed. A wind tunnel is a way to come close but it's not quite the same. >I do not think any parent has the right to place their minor child in a potentially >life-threatening situation. Honestly letting him ride a bike in my neighborhood puts his life more in jeopardy than a tandem skydive would. But I don't think it's reasonable to say "you don't have the right to let your kid ride a bike." And that's just biking. What about rock climbing, hunting, skiing or sledding? Kids take risks growing up, and as a parent you have to manage them well. Tell them to wear a helmet when they ride a bike, teach them common sense etc. To me, the #1 reason not to take a 2 year old skydiving is that they don't get much out of it; they can't go anywhere with it, and it's hard to tell if it will just scare the crap out of them. But when they are 12 and have a few hours of tunnel time? They may well get a lot out of that experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #11 March 28, 2012 Quote And then you have the problem with the rarefied air molecules occasionally causing TM's to pound (SURF) their landings. But at least the kid can breathe through his skin. heh heh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,323 #12 March 28, 2012 The scariest part his day is riding the bicycle to the DZ argument. OK, but the kid can't even ride a bicycle yet.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rover 11 #13 March 28, 2012 Not to mention the 'modified' harness. I wonder what the manufacturers would think about that....2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 425 #14 March 29, 2012 "Cancelling" a jump with a 2-year old? Publicity stunt. It worked.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #15 March 29, 2012 Too bad, kid could have downsized to an Icarus 18 and a GoPro by age three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #16 March 29, 2012 QuoteI do not think any parent has the right to place their minor child in a potentially life-threatening situation. Our job is to protect our kids. We say, "You can do everything right and still have a wrong outcome" until we start discussing young'uns jumping out of planes and then we act as if nothing could happen. I agree with this, and I'm un-persuaded by the analogies. Parachute jumping comes with a particular form of risk of death that is so unique to itself (i.e., not a possibility, or even a probability, but a certainty of death in the case of a catastrophic and un-recoverable double malfunction) that most analogies simply fall short of the mark. This has nothing to do with whether the kid can "handle" the experience, BTW. It's about realistic appreciation of the actual risk. If a child is too young to understand, appreciate and knowingly assume the rather unique risk of death attendant to a parachute jump, then it's just wrong to take him on one. Let people flame away with all the parsing or analogies they wish, I stand by my point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #17 March 29, 2012 The funny thing in all this , is why would he announce it? Then turn around and announce he isn't doing it MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #18 March 29, 2012 Quote The funny thing in all this , is why would he announce it? Then turn around and announce he isn't doing it http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4294608#4294608 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
